1 Jul
2018
1 Jul
'18
7:29 a.m.
The Moravian Galley in Brno has an exhibition on "Computer Art 1968".
The only actual computer is a very well-preserved German LGP-30. I
took a few photos of it yesterday... and got told off for handling the
paper tape, which only has some diagnostics on it: blocks of "lace"
alternating with unpunched blocks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lproven/albums/72157696907302261
It was used by Zde?ek S?kora in his early abstract art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zden%C4%9Bk_S%C3%BDkora
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2 Jul
2 Jul
5:51 a.m.
On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The Moravian Galley in Brno has an exhibition on "Computer Art 1968".
The only actual computer is a very well-preserved German LGP-30. I
took a few photos of it yesterday... and got told off for handling the
paper tape,
Asking people not to touch museum exhibits makes sense to me.
Neat. German labels on the controls...
paul
3:35 p.m.
On 7/2/2018 7:51 AM, Paul Koning via
cctalk wrote:
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that
handling paper with your hands transfers
oils to it and hastens its decay? This
is why gloves are worn to handle old
paper artifacts.
- J.
On Jul 1, 2018, at 10:29 AM, Liam Proven via
cctalk<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
The Moravian Galley in Brno has an exhibition on "Computer Art 1968".
The only actual computer is a very well-preserved German LGP-30. I
took a few photos of it yesterday... and got told off for handling the
paper tape,
Asking people not to touch museum exhibits makes sense to me. 
3:43 p.m.
>> The Moravian Galley in Brno has an exhibition
on "Computer Art 1968".
>> The only actual computer is a very well-preserved German LGP-30. I
>> took a few photos of it yesterday... and got told off for handling the
>> paper tape,
> Asking people not to touch museum exhibits makes sense to me.
On Mon, 2 Jul
2018, js--- via cctalk wrote:
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that handling
paper with your hands
transfers oils to it and hastens its decay? This is why gloves are worn to
handle old paper artifacts.
Seriously! Don't they know that if it is within reach, then the museum
attendees will reach over and handle?
velvet ropes and glass cases <sigh>
Muir Woods is now a TREE MUSEUM!, with paved fenced walkways to keep
people from touching the ancient redwoods. And they charge more than a dollar
and a half just to see 'em.
How can you balance the hands-on aspect that is so ESSENTIAL to the
experience?
4 p.m.
On 7/2/2018 5:43 PM, Fred Cisin via
cctalk wrote:
Yes, but Liam is no ordinary museum
attendee - he should have the experience
to know better :-D Fred, I guess the
rarity and cost of restoration of
something determines whether it can be
presented for hands-on experiences
or not, as well as taking into account
what the goals of the particular
museum are. Museums are not under any
particular obligation to have
hands-on exhibits, as that option only
raises their operating costs.
Museums are typically show & tell... not
show, share, and tell.
Those who must have the full experience,
buy their own examples.
- J.
>> The
Moravian Galley in Brno has an
>> exhibition on "Computer Art 1968".
>> The only actual computer is a very
>> well-preserved German LGP-30. I
>> took a few photos of it
>> yesterday... and got told off for
>> handling the
>> paper tape,
> Asking people not to touch museum
> exhibits makes sense to me.
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, js--- via cctalk
wrote:
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that
handling paper with your hands
transfers oils to it and hastens its
decay? This is why gloves are worn
to handle old paper artifacts.
Seriously! Don't they know that if it
is within reach, then the museum
attendees will reach over and handle?
velvet ropes and glass cases <sigh>
Muir Woods is now a TREE MUSEUM!, with
paved fenced walkways to keep people
from touching the ancient redwoods.
And they charge more than a dollar and
a half just to see 'em.
How can you balance the hands-on
aspect that is so ESSENTIAL to the
experience?
3 Jul
3 Jul
1:58 a.m.
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, "js at cimmeri.com" wrote:
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that handling
paper with your hands
transfers oils to it and hastens its decay? This is why gloves are worn to
handle old paper artifacts.
*lol*
Especially with oiled paper tape that is exposed to daylight and much
more.
Christian
3:06 a.m.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 4:58 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, "js at cimmeri.com"
wrote:
And wouldn't it be possible that tape strewn artistically is just that, a
prop? Especially given the pattern on the tape? Who would display the
real thing that way?
Bill
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that
handling paper with your hands
transfers oils to it and hastens its decay? This is why gloves are worn
to
handle old paper artifacts.
*lol*
Especially with oiled paper tape that is exposed to daylight and much
more.
Christian
3:42 a.m.
On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 12:08, Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
And wouldn't it be possible that tape strewn artistically is just that, a
prop? Especially given the pattern on the tape? Who would display the
real thing that way?
Exactly! :-) It looked like a dummy to me, artfully arranged.
Also, AFAICT, it was very new tape. If it was original, aged, and had
any visible data, I literally wouldn't have touched it.
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8:10 a.m.
On 7/3/2018 3:58 AM, Christian Corti via
cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2018, "js at cimmeri.com"
wrote:
Different kind of oils, Christian. What
humans leach isn't petroleum-based, and
it degrades and carries and attracts
bacteria.
- J.
Seriously! Liam, don't you know that
handling paper with your hands
transfers oils to it and hastens its
decay? This is why gloves are worn
to handle old paper artifacts.
*lol*
Especially with oiled paper tape that
is exposed to daylight and much more.
Christian 
8:25 a.m.
The degradation and attracting bacteria is also why geeks don?t get to
handle humans ... well, the halitosis, body odor, long hair/beards, etc.,
probably don?t help, either! ??
All the Best,
Jim
On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 9:09 AM js--- via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Different kind of oils, Christian. What humans leach isn't
petroleum-based, and it degrades and carries and attracts bacteria.
- J.
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