30 Mar
2020
30 Mar
'20
7:30 p.m.
According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I was
looking for.
Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
else is interested.
bill
The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount that with
RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS system is on HECnet I can
put it where you could get it that way. I looked for the original DOS-11 formatted DEC
distribution tape but can?t find it at this time. Let me know if you need anything.
Mark
31 Mar
31 Mar
5:37 a.m.
On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
RSTS won't read ODS. It does know how to read RT11 file structure (with a standard
utility).
paul
According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I
was looking for.
Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
else is interested.
bill
The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount that with
RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS system is on HECnet I can
put it where you could get it that way. 
5:45 a.m.
On 3/31/20 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Problem with that is all the files get jumbled into one directory
and I am sure the build will want them in the right proj,uid locations
in order to work. I am thinking a backup tape may do the job. SPD's
seem to say that later versions of RSX and RSTS had compatible BACKUP
formats. We'll see. If that don't work there is always kermit. :-)
bill
On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
RSTS won't read ODS. It does know how to read RT11 file structure (with a standard
utility).
According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I
was looking for.
Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
else is interested.
bill
The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount that
with RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS system is on HECnet I
can put it where you could get it that way.
7:02 a.m.
On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/31/20 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Problem with that is all the files get jumbled into one directory
and I am sure the build will want them in the right proj,uid locations
in order to work. I am thinking a backup tape may do the job. SPD's
seem to say that later versions of RSX and RSTS had compatible BACKUP
formats. We'll see. If that don't work there is always kermit. :-)
bill
RSTS V9 and later have a BACKUP that's compatible with VMS, so if RSX has one also
that would work. And there's DECnet, of course.
paul
On Mar
30, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
RSTS won't read ODS. It does know how
to read RT11 file structure (with a standard utility). According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I
was looking for.
Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
else is interested.
bill
The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount that with
RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS system is on HECnet I can
put it where you could get it that way. 
2:50 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:02 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
are the NIC drivers in simh functional enough to create two instances and
DECnet between them?
Warner
On Mar 31, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/31/20 8:37 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctalk <
cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> According to the Ref Manual, that's the one I was looking for.
>>> Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
>>> there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
>>> else is interested.
>>>
>>> bill
>> The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount
that
with RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS
system is on HECnet I can put it where you could get it that way.
> RSTS won't read ODS. It does know how to
read RT11 file structure
(with a standard utility).
Problem with that is all the files get jumbled into one directory
and I am sure the build will want them in the right proj,uid locations
in order to work. I am thinking a backup tape may do the job. SPD's
seem to say that later versions of RSX and RSTS had compatible BACKUP
formats. We'll see. If that don't work there is always kermit. :-)
bill
RSTS V9 and later have a BACKUP that's compatible with VMS, so if RSX has
one also that would work. And there's DECnet, of course.
4:49 p.m.
On Mar 31, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Warner Losh <imp at
bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 8:02 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Absolutely. They have been for years. HECnet is a hobbyist DECnet network with several
hundred nodes, many of which are SIMH instances running anything from TOPS-10 and VMS to
RSX to RSTS/E. Ethernet, DMC11, KMC/DUP, you name it, it all works.
paul
RSTS V9 and later have a BACKUP that's
compatible with VMS, so if RSX has one also that would work. And there's DECnet, of
course.
are the NIC drivers in simh functional enough to create two instances and DECnet
between them?
Warner
4 Apr
4 Apr
10:16 a.m.
Well, I have had the time to thoroughly go over what is
on that RL02 Disk Image. It's disappointing. One could
certainly not do an install on any of the OSes from that
pack as it is very incomplete. Lots of missing file.
On top of that, reading some of the files shows that there
should be a second RL02 pack to go along with it. It would
contain at least a lot of documentation but may also have
contained files needed to build systems. I don't suppose
anyone knows a location for a copy of the original DECUS tape.
In the meantime. I have been able to extract all of the
files and will now try to build working tasks for RSX and
RSTS. I do not know if all the needed pieces are there
for the RT-11 version but I will look into that as well.
bill
31 Mar
31 Mar
5:39 a.m.
On 3/30/20 10:30 PM, Mark Matlock via cctech wrote:
Don't think I can read it on RSTS directly but I can read it
on an emulated RSX system. Now I need to build a system with
all the devices I need (all the prebuilt images seem to be
lacking too many devices) so i can make a backup tape and
use that to move it to RSTS. Of course, I may look at all
of it on RSX and see if I can build an install tape that works
on all the OSes like the Documentation says. it's just that
I had limited experience with RSX. Last use was when I worked
for TRWIND back in 87-88 for an Air Force Contract and I was
not overly impressed so I never got more involved with it.
bill
According to
the Ref Manual, that's the one I was looking for.
Now to mount the RL on RSTS and see what it takes to build it
there. I'll let the list know how I make out in case someone
else is interested.
bill
The RL02 image is RSX Files-11, and I?m not sure if you can mount that
with RSTS. I could move it to a RT-11 formatted RL02 or if your RSTS system is on HECnet I
can put it where you could get it that way. I looked for the original DOS-11 formatted DEC
distribution tape but can?t find it at this time. Let me know if you need anything.
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