2 Dec
2014
2 Dec
'14
7:03 p.m.
From: Rich Alderson
The first non-PDP-10 port was written in MACLISP for
Multics--a 36-bit
architecture!--by Bernie Greenberg
Depends on what you define as 'EMACS'... :-) The PDP-11 TECO with real-time
display mode which I was talking about earlier had, when in real-time mode, a
command on every single control character, most of them the same as EMACS.
(E.g. typing ^U^K would kill 4 lines, from the point onward.) And you could
write custom code for it. (In TECO, no less!) But it didn't have the rich
command set of EMACS (although as of that date, EMACS was still in a bit of
flux - many people still had their own private macros/command sets - MOON's
was famously different).
According to:
http://www.multicians.org/mepap.html
(which is a very nice, complete, history of Multics Emacs, BTW), Multics Emacs
didn't run until March, 1978; the PDP-11 real-time display TECO was running
well before that. (We all used ITS some, for ARPANET email, etc, so we wanted
the same kind of powerful editing tool.)
Not that it really matters any more - just trying to be historically accurate!
From: Jerome H. Fine
Since the "Subject" specified "word
processing software", I assumed
that would exclude TECO which I regard as a "text editor"
Two words: 'topic drift'! :-) Hey, just responding to other messages (e.g.
above).
From: Chuck Guzis
DIBOL. :)
Hey, if you're running one of the later 11's, the ones with CIS, reputedly
DIBOL runs _really fast_ on them! (Well, fast for an -11... :-)
Noel
2 Dec
2 Dec
7:22 p.m.
On 12/02/2014 11:03 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
It's interesting that a quick web lookup on DiBOL tends toward the
opinion that it was Digital's attempt at a reduced COBOL. I never
though so--it looks more like BASIC to me.
Early in the 70s, Xerox was looking at a small-business microcomputer
system, called "Merchant". I don't think it ever escaped development;
it used an 8080 and had an implementation of DiBOL. The idea was to use
the established base of DiBOL application.
--Chuck
From: Chuck
Guzis
DIBOL. :)
Hey, if you're running one of the later 11's, the ones with CIS, reputedly
DIBOL runs _really fast_ on them! (Well, fast for an -11... :-) 
9:38 p.m.
From: Noel Chiappa
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 11:03 AM
> From: Rich Alderson
> The first non-PDP-10 port was written in MACLISP
for Multics--a 36-bit
> architecture!--by Bernie Greenberg
Depends on what you define as 'EMACS'... :-)
The PDP-11 TECO with real-time
display mode which I was talking about earlier had, when in real-time mode, a
command on every single control character, most of them the same as EMACS.
(E.g. typing ^U^K would kill 4 lines, from the point onward.) And you could
write custom code for it. (In TECO, no less!) But it didn't have the rich
command set of EMACS (although as of that date, EMACS was still in a bit of
flux - many people still had their own private macros/command sets - MOON's
was famously different).
According to:
(which is a very nice, complete, history of Multics
Emacs, BTW), Multics Emacs
didn't run until March, 1978; the PDP-11 real-time display TECO was running
well before that. (We all used ITS some, for ARPANET email, etc, so we wanted
the same kind of powerful editing tool.)
Not that it really matters any more - just trying to
be historically accurate!
Thank you. I appreciate the correction. I admit to a bias towards the PDP-10
and other big iron in my own career, so I bow to one who was there!
I used Multics Emacs when I was given the project of putting the University of
Chicago on an MMDF-based phone network sponsored by EDUCOM and called EDUnet.
MIT-MULTICS was the hub for the system, so I had an account there and was very
happy to find my favorite editor available. That was 1983-84, after which I
moved to Stanford. The rest, as they say, is boring old stuff^W^W^Whistory.
Rich
Rich Alderson
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Living Computer Museum
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3 Dec
3 Dec
4:37 a.m.
New subject: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Rich Alderson <RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org>
wrote:
I used Multics Emacs when I was given the project of
putting the University of
Chicago on an MMDF-based phone network sponsored by EDUCOM and called EDUnet.
MIT-MULTICS was the hub for the system, so I had an account there and was very
happy to find my favorite editor available. That was 1983-84, after which I
moved to Stanford. The rest, as they say, is boring old stuff^W^W^Whistory.
If it ran on Multics, I find myself wondering if it ran on GCOS-8.
Zane
6:44 p.m.
New subject: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
From: Zane Healy
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:37 PM
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org> wrote:
> I used Multics Emacs
[snip]
If it ran on Multics, I find myself wondering if it
ran on GCOS-8.
I can't say. It was written in Multics MACLISP, so if *that* ran on
GCOS...
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
11:58 p.m.
New subject: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
On 12/3/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
From: Zane Healy
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:37 PM
The only
thing we used on our Multics 6180 was the Cobol compiler.
Multics did not have one at the time, and I don't know if anyone ported
one after the 75 timeframe I was using it.
FWIW, the Multics Simulator which uses the sources and binaries posted
by Al is coming along nicely. It has limited ring1 admin running (with
bugs) on the console. They also were able to take the release they had
and do the multics equivalent of creating a boot tape.
There are a myriad of bugs to fix, but an amazing amount works now.
At the time I was on Multics, in 75, I think all the people working on
Emacs used the MIT machine for development. Also Macsyma was being
developed and hosted on Multics.
Jim
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org> wrote:
> I used Multics Emacs
[snip]
> If it ran on Multics, I find myself wondering if it ran on GCOS-8. I can't say. It was written in Multics MACLISP,
so if *that* ran on
GCOS...
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
4 Dec
4 Dec
12:33 a.m.
New subject: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
That is exciting news! I occasionally peek around to try to take the
temperature of H-6180 emulation... It will be a great day when I can load
up my own Multics! Getting the chance to actually use Multics has long been
a wish of mine.
I finally got the chance to try my own alma mater's contribution to that
time in history, Michigan Terminal System, under Hercules when the binary
tape images were released a few years back... Now I'm just waiting on
Multics, then I will be sated ;)
Best,
Sean
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 6:58 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 12/3/2014 10:44 AM, Rich Alderson wrote:
From: Zane Healy
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:37 PM
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Rich Alderson
The only thing we used on our Multics 6180
was the Cobol compiler.
Multics did not have one at the time, and I don't know
if anyone ported one
after the 75 timeframe I was using it.
FWIW, the Multics Simulator which uses the sources and binaries posted by
Al is coming along nicely. It has limited ring1 admin running (with bugs)
on the console. They also were able to take the release they had and do
the multics equivalent of creating a boot tape.
There are a myriad of bugs to fix, but an amazing amount works now.
At the time I was on Multics, in 75, I think all the people working on
Emacs used the MIT machine for development. Also Macsyma was being
developed and hosted on Multics.
Jim
I can't say. It was written in Multics MACLISP, so if *that* ran on
<RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org> wrote:
If it ran on Multics, I find myself wondering if it ran on GCOS-8.
I used Multics Emacs
[snip] GCOS...
Rich
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Living Computer Museum
2245 1st Avenue S
Seattle, WA 98134
mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org
http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
3 Dec
3 Dec
7:14 p.m.
New subject: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
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Subject: Re: is there any word processing software for the pdp11?
On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Rich Alderson
<RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org> wrote:
boring
I used Multics Emacs when I was given the project
of putting the
University of Chicago on an MMDF-based phone network sponsored by
EDUCOM and
called EDUnet.
> MIT-MULTICS was the hub for the system, so I had an account there and
> was very happy to find my favorite editor available. That was
> 1983-84, after which I moved to Stanford. The rest, as they say, is old stuff^W^W^Whistory.
If it ran on Multics, I find myself wondering if it ran on GCOS-8.
Zane
I doubt it. GCOS-8 was weird and didn't have the same terminal paradigms as
MULTICS. From what I remember it was a line/block mode terminal interface
with local editing done in the GERTS or whatever FEP you were using. (I know
it wasn't GERTS for GCOS8 but you know what I mean...)
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