15 Nov
2010
15 Nov
'10
9:52 p.m.
My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that was "slightly behind the
times". 8D
Thanks,
Kurt
15 Nov
15 Nov
10:06 p.m.
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 Hollandia at ccountry.net wrote:
My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that was "slightly behind the
times". 8D
Around HERE, that oft refers to a machine that predated floppy disks,
and/or an older MINICOMPUTER or MAINFRAME.
"Binary file editor"? Can't you just repunch the few cards that need to
be changed?
YKYBHTL when DEBUG feels natural for editing file contents.
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10:25 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 Hollandia at ccountry.net wrote:
I guessed the 'HTL' part as being 'hitting the liquor' - google suggests
that
I'm wrong, but maybe that still fits in this case...
I had a really nice hex editor for DOS, but my brain's refusing for the moment
to cough up the name (it's also possible it was something that a friend wrote,
though, in which case it probably never saw public release)
cheers
Jules
My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that was "slightly behind the
times". 8D
Around HERE, that oft refers to a machine that predated floppy disks,
and/or an older MINICOMPUTER or MAINFRAME.
"Binary file editor"? Can't you just repunch the few cards that need to
be changed?
YKYBHTL when DEBUG feels natural for editing file contents. 
10:50 p.m.
On 11/15/2010 10:25 PM, Jules Richardson wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
I've done a fair amount of hex editing on my CoCos, so I'm not a
stranger to it, but I never did get accustomed to DEBUG...
... and I never really did drink much when I was younger ...
Maybe it's a coincidence? ;-)
Laterz,
"Merch"
P.S. To me, Tequila & DEBUG just sounds like a *baaad* combination...
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 Hollandia at ccountry.net
wrote:
I guessed the 'HTL' part as being 'hitting the liquor' - google suggests
that I'm wrong, but maybe that still fits in this case... My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and
Windows 3.1
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that was "slightly behind the
times". 8D
Around HERE, that oft refers to a machine that predated floppy disks,
and/or an older MINICOMPUTER or MAINFRAME.
"Binary file editor"? Can't you just repunch the few cards that need to
be changed?
YKYBHTL when DEBUG feels natural for editing file contents. 
16 Nov
16 Nov
12:25 a.m.
P.S. To me, Tequila & DEBUG just sounds like a
*baaad* combination...
Why? Don't they usually have DEWORM?
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17 Nov
2:35 p.m.
On 16/11/10 03:25, Jules Richardson wrote:
I had a really nice hex editor for DOS, but my
brain's refusing for the
moment to cough up the name (it's also possible it was something that a
friend wrote, though, in which case it probably never saw public release)
There's HIEW (Hacker's View), which is pretty nice. Even does x86
instruction disassembly...
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3:11 p.m.
PC TOOLS!!!
:oD
UltraEdit-32 is an excellent program 
4:25 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
XTREE
DEBUG
In a pinch, I used PC-WRITE!
For cross-platform binary patching, I've used emacs (and microemacs,
etc) succesfully in multiple situations (like patching UUCP on
AmigaDOS to let my modem dial with pulse (ATDP vs ATDT) because I
didn't pay the $2/month upcharge for touch-tone dialing on my data
line and the dial string was programmatically constructed in the
application).
-ethan
? ?PC TOOLS!!! :oD
UltraEdit-32 is an excellent
program 
4:36 p.m.
In article <AANLkTin_r0wYmi4+tQ49QVryOeF1QLc_DD0TfDd4NKt+ at mail.gmail.com>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
For cross-platform binary patching, I've used
emacs (and microemacs,
etc) succesfully in multiple situations (like patching UUCP on
AmigaDOS to let my modem dial with pulse (ATDP vs ATDT) because I
didn't pay the $2/month upcharge for touch-tone dialing on my data
line and the dial string was programmatically constructed in the
application).
You vandal! I'm reporting a DMCA violation right now...
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4:55 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <AANLkTin_r0wYmi4+tQ49QVryOeF1QLc_DD0TfDd4NKt+ at mail.gmail.com>,
? ?Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
Prove it! Send an e-mail documenting your alleged violation to
...ihnp4!cbosgd!n8emr!uncle!jcnpc!kumiss!erd for review.
;-)
-ethan
For cross-platform binary patching, I've used
emacs (and microemacs,
etc) succesfully in multiple situations (like patching UUCP on
AmigaDOS to let my modem dial with pulse (ATDP vs ATDT) because I
didn't pay the $2/month upcharge for touch-tone dialing on my data
line and the dial string was programmatically constructed in the
application).
You vandal! ?I'm reporting a DMCA violation right now...
6:45 p.m.
In article <AANLkTimwE5pFn29GiPj+X1KUn36iOV30GxpsFsoxA8cY at mail.gmail.com>,
Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> writes:
Prove it! Send an e-mail documenting your alleged
violation to
...ihnp4!cbosgd!n8emr!uncle!jcnpc!kumiss!erd for review.
Wow.
Haven't seen a bang-path address in a long time :-)
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11:20 p.m.
Prove it!
Send an e-mail documenting your alleged violation to
...ihnp4!cbosgd!n8emr!uncle!jcnpc!kumiss!erd for review.
Wow.
Haven't seen a bang-path address in a long time :-) 
8:25 p.m.
On 11/16/2010 4:25 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
(like patching UUCP on
AmigaDOS to let my modem dial with pulse (ATDP vs ATDT) because I
didn't pay the $2/month upcharge for touch-tone dialing on my data
line and the dial string was programmatically constructed in the
application).
Ahhh, yes, I remember those days. :)
I had a 300 baud Radio Shack direct connect modem that I bought on sale
for $22 on the clearance rack. Its main feature, "direct connect" was
an improvement over acoustic couplers of the time. It had one big red
button on the right hand side, and an answer/originate switch on the
left hand side. It wasn't Hayes compatible or have any command modes,
etc. or did anything other than modulate and demodulate. :)
The modem came with a free trial userid/password(you know, the form was
710555,1234 and default passwords like "wolf!desk") for Compuserve which
was nice to have something to dial as soon I got it home. My parents
threatened me if I "racked up any bills with that thing", I would be in
trouble.
The only spare phone my parents had to attach to the modem for the
actual dialing didn't have working touch-tone, so I had to pulse dial
for years. At least it had a redial button. Trying to reach those busy
BBS's by redialing pulse was pretty tough.
-ethan
Keith
9:15 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM, keith <keithvz at verizon.net> wrote:
The modem came with a free trial userid/password(you
know, the form was
710555,1234 and default passwords like "wolf!desk") for Compuserve which was
nice to have something to dial as soon I got it home. ?My parents threatened
me if I "racked up any bills with that thing", I would be in trouble.
My first modem was a VicModem, to go with my Vic 20. It came with
that same packet. ID 73347,2556 - initial password was "boat%touch."
Same threat from the parents, unheeded ;)
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7:59 p.m.
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Jason T wrote:
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM, keith <keithvz at
verizon.net> wrote:
If your experience was anything like mine, the locking clip on the RJ11(?)
connector on the handset cord lasted about three days. :) (and I just
recently picked up a VIC 1600 to go with the replacement VIC-20 I got last
year. :D)
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The modem came with a free trial
userid/password(you know, the form was
710555,1234 and default passwords like "wolf!desk") for Compuserve which was
nice to have something to dial as soon I got it home. ?My parents threatened
me if I "racked up any bills with that thing", I would be in trouble.
My first modem was a VicModem, to go with my Vic 20. It came with
that same packet. ID 73347,2556 - initial password was "boat%touch."
Same threat from the parents, unheeded ;)
11:33 p.m.
New subject: 10 hole disk punch
Hi All
Here is a list of people that we believe want one
of these punches.
If you want one and are not on the list please
contact me right away as we are going to do the run
soon.
If you are on the list and want to change your status,
also contact me right away.
We are not likely to do a second run soon.
I have the following people as wanting a 10 hole:
Mike Loewen --- maybe
Chris Elmquist --- yes
Dennis Boone --- yes
Jason T --- maybe
"Rudolf Brandst?tter" --- maybe
Bill Sudbrink --- yes
Steven Hirsch --- yes
Ken Guenther --- yes
Joseph E McGlone --- yes
Andrew Lynch --- yes
Bill Yakowenko --- yes
ChucksterInJax --- yes
Les Bird --- yes
Bill malcolm --- yes
melstav --- maybe
Dwight Elvey yes
Thoes that want 16 hole:
Chris Elmquist --- yes
Bill Dawson --- yes
Thanks
Dwight
17 Nov
17 Nov
3:42 p.m.
Ahhh, yes, I remember those days. :)
Brings back memories to me too...
I had a 300 baud Radio Shack direct connect modem that I bought on sale
for $22 on the clearance rack. Its main feature, "direct connect" was
an improvement over acoustic couplers of the time. It had one big red
button on the right hand side, and an answer/originate switch on the
left hand side. It wasn't Hayes compatible or have any command modes,
etc. or did anything other than modulate and demodulate. :)
My first modem was a Radio Shack accoustic coupler. I used it with the
only telephone in the house, a GPO 746 rotary dial thing (and of course
with no number memories or last numbr redail). The computer I used as a
terminal was a TRS-80 Model 1 with a home-made RS232 board. It was nowhre
near the modem, so I had a long RS232 lead (I saved money bby useign a 4
pinDIN plug to fit the 'Coco connectotr' on the modem, after I'd checked
inside to see tht there was nothing I needed the other RS232 signals for.
Anyway, I'd phone a BBS (or the univeristy computer dial-up line, I was an
udergraduate at the time), when I got the carrier I'd stick the handset
into the coupler, if the 'carrier' LED turned on, I'd dash back to the
TRS-80 and hope the rmeote machien hadn't timed out by the time I got
there...
-tony
16 Nov
16 Nov
11:41 p.m.
From: cisin at xenosoft.com
XTREE
DEBUG
In a pinch, I used PC-WRITE!
Hi
I'd forgotten about PC-Write and binary files
but I recall using it as well.
Another think that I just remembered that was
recent was editing using the Needham PROM
programmer code. I just load the data into
the Needham program, edit it and then write
it back to a file.
Dwight
PC
TOOLS!!! :oD
UltraEdit-32 is an excellent program 
15 Nov
15 Nov
11:58 p.m.
Hey, I was wondering if the "legacy machine" in question supported a file system
of any kind.... Lately, I've been using FUTIL to figure out what's on random
DECtapes. Some of them are FOCAL library tapes -- Ian
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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:52 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Legacy Binary File Editor
My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that was "slightly behind the
times". 8D
Thanks,
Kurt
16 Nov
16 Nov
4:44 p.m.
My request was apparently a little hazy.
The machine I refer to is a Packard-Bell 486SX running DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1
I am darn sure that BEAV (which I mentioned last night will run on that
machine.
By "legacy machine" I meant a machine that
was "slightly behind the times". 8D
Ah, what we call a 'modern machine' :-)
-tony
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