20 Aug
2008
20 Aug
'08
9:29 a.m.
First Northern Germany DECnet Party, who wants to join?
Who wants to install, configure, network, cluster or program ALPHAs, MIPSen, VAXen and
PDPs just for fun together with 10 to 20 other DEC enthusiasts for a day or two?
We want to join everything running on DEC hardware or talking DECnet, including simulators
(e.g. simh).
Beginners are welcome!
Everyone brings along his computers and together we will build something really nice!
Maybe there will even be some VAXstations to lend for the event.
If there are enough persons willing to participate I will arrange a large room and other
things needed ...
Beside the activities mentioned above there are further things planned:
- Barbecue
- Hardware/Software/Manuals Swap
- Talk, Discussions, Helping each other, ...
A possible date would be the weekend 18./19.10.08.
The location will be in the "Weserbergland" a little south of the town of
Hameln.
Details will follow when I know more!
Please let me know if you would like to come!
Ulli
The VAXorcist
P.S.
I really do not know how many persons might be interested, but as a precaution I want you
to know that I will limit the number of participants to a maximum of 20.
20 Aug
20 Aug
11:42 a.m.
At 3:29 PM +0200 8/20/08, H?lscher wrote:
First Northern Germany DECnet Party, who wants to
join?
Who wants to install, configure, network,
cluster or program ALPHAs, MIPSen, VAXen and
PDPs just for fun together with 10 to 20 other
DEC enthusiasts for a day or two?
Are you going to link into HECnet as part of the event?
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
1:50 p.m.
>>>> "H?lscher" == H?lscher
<hoelscher-kirchbrak at freenet.de> writes:
H?lscher> First Northern Germany DECnet Party, who wants to join?
H?lscher> Who wants to install, configure, network, cluster or
H?lscher> program ALPHAs, MIPSen, VAXen and PDPs just for fun
H?lscher> together with 10 to 20 other DEC enthusiasts for a day or
H?lscher> two?
H?lscher> We want to join everything running on DEC hardware or
H?lscher> talking DECnet, including simulators (e.g. simh).
Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just DEC hardware (real or
simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
paul
21 Aug
21 Aug
11:16 a.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
That's going to be a while. I'm hoping to have a Cisco router up
shortly, though.
Peace... Sridhar
Paul Koning
wrote:
So... When are you going to get an IBM Mainframe up on HECnet? Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just
DEC hardware (real or
simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers
support DECnet.
Peace... Sridhar
11:48 a.m.
At 11:16 AM -0400 8/21/08, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
I've been meaning to try to get my router talking DECnet for quite
some time, but that project has been on hold. :^( I don't think
anyone currently has one on HECnet at the moment. When I'm online I
gateway between Multinet and Johnny's bridge.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
So... When are you going to get an IBM Mainframe
up on HECnet?
That's going to be a while. I'm hoping to have a Cisco router up
shortly, though.
12:39 p.m.
Zane H. Healy wrote:
I've been meaning to try to get my router talking DECnet for quite some
time, but that project has been on hold. :^( I don't think anyone
currently has one on HECnet at the moment. When I'm online I gateway
between Multinet and Johnny's bridge.
I have a 2500 with the proper IOS feature set for Johnny, but I haven't
managed to find the time to send it to him yet.
Anyway, my 7505 will be my area router. I believe I've reserved area
42. If you get yours up, we could do equal-cost multipath for some
redundancy.
Peace... Sridhar
So... When are you going to get an IBM Mainframe up
on HECnet?
That's going to be a while. I'm hoping to have a Cisco router up
shortly, though. 
10:55 a.m.
At 2:03 PM -0400 8/20/08, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Paul Koning wrote:
TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS. If I'm not mistaken, someone
also had a product for SunOS.
John
Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just
DEC hardware (real or
simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers support DECnet.
10:59 a.m.
>>>> "John" == John A Dundas,
<John> writes:
John> At 2:03 PM -0400 8/20/08, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> Paul Koning wrote:
>> Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just DEC hardware (real or
>> simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
> IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers support DECnet.
John> TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS.
Was that Stu Wecker's company, or is that a different one? They sold
DECnet implementations for various machines.
Contrary to what's often written, DECnet always was an open protocol,
which everyone was free to implement.
paul
11:21 a.m.
>>>> "John" == John A Dundas, <John> writes:
John> At 2:03 PM -0400 8/20/08, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> Paul Koning wrote:
>> Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just DEC hardware (real or
>> simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
> IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers support DECnet.
John> TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS.
Was that Stu Wecker's company, or is that a different one? They sold
DECnet implementations for various machines. Contrary to what's often written, DECnet always was
an open protocol,
which everyone was free to implement.
Very true.
John
11:27 a.m.
Contrary to
what's often written, DECnet always was an open
protocol, which everyone was free to implement.
Very true.
22 Aug
22 Aug
10:27 a.m.
>>>> "der" == der Mouse <mouse
at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> writes:
>> Contrary to what's often written, DECnet
always was an open
>> protocol, which everyone was free to implement.
> Very true.
der> Speaking of which, what's the current DECnet phase? I have some
der> DECnot docs for Phase IV which I fetched in 2001, but before I
der> start doing anything with them I'd like to make sure they're the
der> latest.
Phase IV is the one that was all over the place. It comes in some
small variants. I forgot the details of that; one of them was
intended to avoid the setting of the Ethernet MAC address, to allow it
to work with 802.5 NICs that didn't support this.
A copy from 2001 would certainly be current. They are probably IV,
not IV+, but that's fine, the two interoperate and I doubt IV+ gets
you anything extra that matters.
There's Phase V, also known as DECnet/OSI. That did get implemented
on VMS, perhaps also on DEC's Unix, but nowhere else. And it was a
commercial failure -- didn't offer anything useful over Phase IV, and
wasted many years within DEC while TCP/IP won the race instead.
The Phase IV specs were published and still exist on-line (along with
some Phase III specs, which were also published). The intent was to
do the same with the Phase V protocol specs, but as far as I can tell
that never happened. It's possibly they still exist somewhere on a
backup tape. (If so, making readable copies would be tricky -- most
of them were created with DECwrite (I think that's the name -- the X
app derived from an old snapshot of FrameMaker).
paul
21 Aug
21 Aug
12:06 p.m.
At 09:59 AM 8/21/2008, Paul Koning wrote:
John> TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS.
Was that Stu Wecker's company, or is that a different one? They sold
DECnet implementations for various machines.
No, 'TSS' stands for 'Thursby Software Systems', as in Bill Thursby,
still at http://www.thursby.com/ .
- John
11:12 a.m.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, John A. Dundas III wrote:
At 2:03 PM -0400 8/20/08, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Sunlink DNI. I imagine it was not of Sun's creation - their Solstice OSI
and Solstice X.400 products appeared to come from a company called Marben
(lots of error messages in French!)
Andrew
Paul Koning wrote:
TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS. If I'm not mistaken, someone also had
a product for SunOS. Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just
DEC hardware (real or
simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers support DECnet. 
12:02 p.m.
On Aug 21, 2008, at 10:55 AM, John A. Dundas III wrote:
TSSnet provided DECnet for old Mac OS. If I'm not mistaken,
someone also had a product for SunOS.
...and IRIX. I ran it myself for quite awhile at work in ~1992;
it worked pretty well. The package is called "4DDN". I think I
might have a distribution CDROM somewhere; I seem to recall having
taken an extra copy home.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Just a reminder -- DECnet doesn't mean just DEC
hardware (real or
simulated). For example, Linux supports DECnet.
IBM Mainframes and Cisco Routers support DECnet. 
2:23 p.m.
Dennis Boone wrote:
Recent MVS definitely does, but I believe only though an optional
feature set. I'm reasonably certain there's a feature set available for
VSE and VM as well, but I've never seen them myself.
Peace... Sridhar
IBM Mainframes
and Cisco Routers support DECnet.
Which IBM product(s) support DECnet? Sounds like something I should be
fiddling with in my copious free time. :)
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