16 Mar
2011
16 Mar
'11
11:35 a.m.
I read an AP article that says that Ebay will start charging as the Ebay
fee charge, not 10% of the selling fee or $50, whichever is less, but
rather 10% plus the shipping charges.
I would encourage everyone here who is selling a 300# printer for $50 to
take a close look at whether to sell anything on ebay anymore if this is
accurate.
I sort of sympathize with Ebay in trying to clamp down on the crop of
people who now have low prices (buy it for a buck) but $30 shipping costs.
However this move pretty much makes me want to pull everything I have,
as there will be a negative outflow on my account by my calculation for
my Wyse terminals ($40) etc. by the time I sell them. I'm not
interested in paying people to take my stuff.
Jim
16 Mar
16 Mar
11:52 a.m.
So you have to add these costs to the cost of the item.Which may make the cost of the
items less attractive.
There's always craigslist or kijiji, etc
This is why I don't sell on fleabay any more
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:35:42 -0700
From: jws at jwsss.com
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Ebay fee change as of 4/1
I read an AP article that says that Ebay will start charging as the Ebay
fee charge, not 10% of the selling fee or $50, whichever is less, but
rather 10% plus the shipping charges.
I would encourage everyone here who is selling a 300# printer for $50 to
take a close look at whether to sell anything on ebay anymore if this is
accurate.
I sort of sympathize with Ebay in trying to clamp down on the crop of
people who now have low prices (buy it for a buck) but $30 shipping costs.
However this move pretty much makes me want to pull everything I have,
as there will be a negative outflow on my account by my calculation for
my Wyse terminals ($40) etc. by the time I sell them. I'm not
interested in paying people to take my stuff.
Jim
12:42 p.m.
In article <4D808415.2093.4EDD16 at cclist.sydex.com>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Don't forget Erik's Vintage Computer
Marketplace. Free.
Unfortunately the reason I don't use any of these other sites instead
of ebay is that there isn't any hookup to a payment mechanism.
Concluding business always requires a bunch of email back and forth
and it just doesn't work very well.
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12:52 p.m.
On 16 Mar 2011 at 10:42, Richard wrote:
Unfortunately the reason I don't use any of these
other sites instead
of ebay is that there isn't any hookup to a payment mechanism.
Concluding business always requires a bunch of email back and forth
and it just doesn't work very well. -- "The Direct3D Graphics
Paypal doesn't work?
--Chuck
3:18 p.m.
In article <4D80884F.2407.5F5E8D at cclist.sydex.com>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
On 16 Mar 2011 at 10:42, Richard wrote:
One of the reasons that people use those other sites is because they
*won't* take paypal. I've had that happen on more than one occasion.
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Unfortunately the reason I don't use any of
these other sites instead
of ebay is that there isn't any hookup to a payment mechanism.
Concluding business always requires a bunch of email back and forth
and it just doesn't work very well.
Paypal doesn't work? 
10:54 p.m.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2011 at 12:19 PM Richard wrote:
One of the reasons that people use those other sites
is because they
*won't* take paypal. I've had that happen on more than one occasion.
The Marketplace is fee free so it doesn't PayPal or anything else for the
marketplace itself.
It is, however, linked to PayPal and several other payment services so that
you can allow buyers to pay via those services.
Almost all of my buyers pay with PayPal directly from the invoice.
As a seller you can restrict buyers to your preferred payment method(s) and
as a buyer you can avoid sellers who won't accept your preferred payment
method(s)...
-----
Erik Klein
www.vintage-computer.com
www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum - The Vintage Computer Forums
marketplace.vintage-computer.com - The Vintage Computer and Gaming
Marketplace
10:57 p.m.
On 3/16/11 10:54 PM, Erik Klein wrote:
The Marketplace is fee free so it doesn't PayPal
or anything else for the
marketplace itself.
It is, however, linked to PayPal and several other payment services so that
you can allow buyers to pay via those services.
Almost all of my buyers pay with PayPal directly from the invoice.
As a seller you can restrict buyers to your preferred payment method(s) and
as a buyer you can avoid sellers who won't accept your preferred payment
method(s)...
Wow, that's excellent functionality. I really need to "get into it"
a bit more at the Marketplace.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
17 Mar
17 Mar
12:19 p.m.
In article <061101cbe44e$a9b31920$fd194b60$@com>,
"Erik Klein" <classiccmp at vintage-computer.com> writes:
It is, however, linked to PayPal and several other
payment services so that
you can allow buyers to pay via those services.
I don't recall it being that way the last time I looked at it several
years ago. That's good that they're now providing direct linkage to
paypal.
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16 Mar
16 Mar
4:49 p.m.
--- On Wed, 3/16/11, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Unfortunately the reason I don't use any of these
other
sites instead
of ebay is that there isn't any hookup to a payment
mechanism.
Concluding business always requires a bunch of email back
and forth
and it just doesn't work very well.
the very last reason on planet earth anyone should opt out of a particular method.
I've sold perhaps 20 items to date on eBay. Sure nice final value, eyes light up, then
what you're actually left with leaves something to be desired. There's still a
benefit to using eBay, but I absolutely refuse to accept *ayPal unless the item I'm
selling is under say 15$. I specify Moneybookers or check. If they don't like it, they
can lump it. One guy wanted a box of manuals, offered a nice price for them too
(subsequently items went unsold) and insisted on *ayPal. I refused, got tired of the back
and forth, and told him I was canceling the transaction. Woo was he mad as hell.
Now there are fees associated w/other payment methods. But at least it's not going to
eWhores. And to complicate things more, if they opt for Money*ookers, they have to do it
external to eBay. I actually broke down and decided to register my Money*ookers account
w/eBay...then they asked for my SSI#. No way, no freaking how.
Come on, get a life, and be men (and women). Take a check. Cut out the middlemen. I'm
hopping mad over comments like this. And reminds me I need to take my little pressure
pill.
20 Mar
20 Mar
1:33 p.m.
On 3/16/11 4:49 PM, Chris M wrote:
Come on, get a life, and be men (and women). Take a
check. Cut out
the middlemen. I'm hopping mad over comments like this. And reminds
me I need to take my little pressure pill.
Wow, really? Someone advocating the use of checks, the least-secure
payment method ever devised? They're on their way out, thank heaven.
Many UK banks are checkless now, according to my UK friends. I'm
guessing the USA will finally be devoid of checks entirely within the
next 10-15 yearse. Many stores don't take them anymore I got sick of
being burned by rubber checks years ago; I haven't taken a check since
the late 1990s. Many stores don't take them. I've not actually written
one, for any reason, in probably eight years.
I feel like someone just voiced curiosity as to why their new
Core2Duo laptop doesn't have core memory.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
3:44 p.m.
On 3/20/2011 11:33 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:
Wow, really? Someone advocating the use of checks, the
least-secure
payment method ever devised? They're on their way out, thank heaven.
Many UK banks are checkless now, according to my UK friends. I'm
guessing the USA will finally be devoid of checks entirely within the
next 10-15 yearse. Many stores don't take them anymore I got sick of
being burned by rubber checks years ago; I haven't taken a check since
the late 1990s. Many stores don't take them. I've not actually written
one, for any reason, in probably eight years.
I got a COD package a few days ago. They took debit or check,
but *not* cash!
I feel like someone just voiced curiosity as to why
their new Core2Duo
laptop doesn't have core memory.
I guess it all must be virtual, I can find what real memory is used in
any of the
modern computers. That drive light keeps flashing even when I just press
the keys writing this.
-Dave
Ben.
6:36 p.m.
On 20 Mar 2011 at 16:02, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 3/20/11 3:44 PM, ben wrote:
That drive light keeps flashing even when I just
press
the keys writing this.
Funny you should mention that. I've got a portable Hitachi 2TB eSATA
drive that I use as a backup with various systems. Today I was doing
a backup from my wife's system. The backup finished, but the drive
was still (audibly) clunking away. I shut down the system, but left
the drive powered up. It continued its conversation with the aether,
unabated. I powered the connected system back up and things looked
normal. Eventually after about 5 minutes, the activity stopped.
No indication of errors; the backup looks fine.
The cache on this thing couldn't have been THAT big. Any idea what
was going on?
--Chuck
3:50 p.m.
On 21 Mar 2011 at 10:19, Christian Corti wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Whatever it is, a quick web search shows that other people have
noticed it on the 7K2000. The drive SMART logs show nothing amiss
and a quick drive test turns up nothing.
But it sure is spooky.
--Chuck
The cache on this thing couldn't have been
THAT big. Any idea what
was going on?
Idle surface scan? Used to be very common with Seagate drives. 
23 Mar
23 Mar
10:34 a.m.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 03:36:43PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 20 Mar 2011 at 16:02, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 3/20/11 3:44 PM, ben wrote:
Automatic background surface scan most likely. One thing to try would
be:
- make sure the drive is idle (unmounted)
- trigger (via SMART) a long self test
- listen to the noise from the drive, the probably sound similiar
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
That drive light keeps flashing even when I just
press
the keys writing this.
Funny you should mention that. I've got a portable Hitachi 2TB eSATA
drive that I use as a backup with various systems. Today I was doing
a backup from my wife's system. The backup finished, but the drive
was still (audibly) clunking away. I shut down the system, but left
the drive powered up. It continued its conversation with the aether,
unabated. I powered the connected system back up and things looked
normal. Eventually after about 5 minutes, the activity stopped.
No indication of errors; the backup looks fine.
The cache on this thing couldn't have been THAT big. Any idea what
was going on?
12:10 p.m.
On 23 Mar 2011 at 15:34, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Automatic background surface scan most likely. One
thing to try would
be:
- make sure the drive is idle (unmounted)
- trigger (via SMART) a long self test
- listen to the noise from the drive, the probably sound similiar
It probably is, or some auto-recalibrate mechanism (the drive did
this even with the host system power off). A lot of people have
apparently encountered this and it's apparently not a problem.
--Chuck
21 Mar
21 Mar
5:39 a.m.
On 3/20/11 11:44 AM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
I got a COD package a few days ago. They took debit or check,
but *not* cash!
Ben.
There's a damn good reason for that. Several years ago there was a rash of
armed robberies of UPS and USPS personnel by criminals trying for an easy
buck.
23 Mar
23 Mar
10:38 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:39:45AM -0800, Geoffrey Reed wrote:
On 3/20/11 11:44 AM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
The Swiss Post delivery folks are happy to accept cash around here and I
never tried any other payment method. But then, I _am_ living in Switzerland,
which is a very peaceful place.
Kind regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
I got a COD package a few days ago. They took debit or check,
but *not* cash!
Ben.
There's a damn good reason for that. Several years ago there was a rash of
armed robberies of UPS and USPS personnel by criminals trying for an easy
buck. 
4:12 p.m.
There's a
damn good reason for that. Several years ago there was a rash of
armed robberies of UPS and USPS personnel by criminals trying for an easy
buck.
The Swiss Post delivery folks are happy to accept cash around here and I
never tried any other payment method. But then, I _am_ living in Switzerland,
which is a very peaceful place.
24 Mar
24 Mar
7:04 a.m.
New subject: No cash COD deliveries- was Re: Ebay fee change as of 4/1
On 3/23/11 6:38 AM, "Alexander Schreiber" <als at thangorodrim.de> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 01:39:45AM -0800, Geoffrey
Reed wrote:
That could very well be. I was working at UPS when they stopped accepting
cash here in the area of the US I live in. there was a driver shot by a
robber for $250 ish in cash that he had :(
On 3/20/11 11:44 AM, "ben" <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
The Swiss Post delivery folks are happy to accept cash around here and I
never tried any other payment method. But then, I _am_ living in Switzerland,
which is a very peaceful place.
Kind regards,
Alex.
I got a COD package a few days ago. They took debit or check,
but *not* cash!
Ben.
There's a damn good reason for that. Several years ago there was a rash of
armed robberies of UPS and USPS personnel by criminals trying for an easy
buck.
16 Mar
16 Mar
1:03 p.m.
On 3/16/11 12:34 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
It fits with what others have said about eBay wanting
to become
essentially more of a retail storefront with minor auction content,
rather than an online auction house. i.e. more of a Buy.com setup.
Yeah, like the world really needs ANOTHER one of those, and like we
really need to see eBay duke it out with Amazon.
This reminds me of when most of the computer manufacturers stopped
making good stuff and jumped onto the PC bandwagon because it was "the
next big thing". They started making PCs, ditched their real computers,
and promptly died. The world really didn't need yet another
manufacturer of bottom-end hardware.
eBay fills a market need that nobody else has been able to touch.
Sure, there are some vertical-market places (the Vintage Computer
Marketplace, etc), but the few other "general audience" auction houses
that actually got off the ground never made even the slightest dent in
the market. That's why eBay makes so damn much money.
I can only hope their shareholders recognize the mistake this time,
before it actually happens.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
1 p.m.
Fact check:
I read an AP article that says that Ebay will start
charging as the Ebay fee
charge, not 10% of the selling fee or $50, whichever is less, but rather 10%
plus the shipping charges.
Officially, the 9 percent fee will remain at 9 percent - no raise. But
for non-store owners, yes, the S&H costs are now part of the
commission. Basically they want to make everyone a store, with the
basic membership of $15.95. For higher volume sellers like myself, it
makes sense to open a store, if only to sell buckets of dirt, in order
to be exempt from the S&H commission, as well as the lower 7.5/4
percent structured commission in general.
--
Will
1:04 p.m.
On 3/16/11 1:00 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Officially, the 9 percent fee will remain at 9 percent
- no raise. But
for non-store owners, yes, the S&H costs are now part of the
commission. Basically they want to make everyone a store, with the
basic membership of $15.95. For higher volume sellers like myself, it
makes sense to open a store, if only to sell buckets of dirt, in order
to be exempt from the S&H commission, as well as the lower 7.5/4
percent structured commission in general.
You're a high-volume seller? Wow, I didn't know that. What's your
ID? I'll check out your listings.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
2:27 p.m.
Remember the good old days when an ebay auction cost .25 cents flat....
jim s wrote:
I read an AP article that says that Ebay will start
charging as the
Ebay fee charge, not 10% of the selling fee or $50, whichever is less,
but rather 10% plus the shipping charges.
I would encourage everyone here who is selling a 300# printer for $50
to take a close look at whether to sell anything on ebay anymore if
this is accurate.
I sort of sympathize with Ebay in trying to clamp down on the crop of
people who now have low prices (buy it for a buck) but $30 shipping
costs.
However this move pretty much makes me want to pull everything I have,
as there will be a negative outflow on my account by my calculation
for my Wyse terminals ($40) etc. by the time I sell them. I'm not
interested in paying people to take my stuff.
Jim
2:51 p.m.
From an article at
http://www.internetretailer.com/2011/03/16/ebay-cuts-seller-feesor-does-it
"The updated final value fee structure takes effect for non?store sellers
April 19, and for merchants that operate eBay stores and fixed-price sellers
July 6."
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Curt @ Atari Museum
<curt at atarimuseum.com>wrote:
Remember the good old days when an ebay auction cost
.25 cents flat....
jim s wrote:
> I read an AP article that says that Ebay will start charging as the Ebay
> fee charge, not 10% of the selling fee or $50, whichever is less, but rather
> 10% plus the shipping charges.
>
> I would encourage everyone here who is selling a 300# printer for $50 to
> take a close look at whether to sell anything on ebay anymore if this is
> accurate.
>
> I sort of sympathize with Ebay in trying to clamp down on the crop of
> people who now have low prices (buy it for a buck) but $30 shipping costs.
>
> However this move pretty much makes me want to pull everything I have, as
> there will be a negative outflow on my account by my calculation for my Wyse
> terminals ($40) etc. by the time I sell them. I'm not interested in paying
> people to take my stuff.
>
> Jim
>
>
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