19 Feb
2010
19 Feb
'10
3:38 p.m.
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:07:58 -0700
From: Ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Some of the best advice I got in college was from an EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
Jeff Walther
Soldering now is far safer than it used to be. I
can still recall
the glorious sensation of picking up an American Beauty 100W
soldering iron by the wrong end.
I suppose that we should be thankful that we don't use an
oxyacetylene torch for PCB work...
I guess that is why BYTE[1] went from a hardware magazine
to software. 
19 Feb
19 Feb
4:30 p.m.
Quoting Jeff Walther <trag at io.com>:
Yeah I managed to do that once too, it f****n hurt ! At least I had
the presense of mind to pick the damn thing up off the floor and put
it on it's stand before going to run my hand under the tap. Don't
think my parents would have been too happy if I had set fire to the
house :(
My excuse was I was only about 13-14 at the time.....
Some of the best advice I got in college was from an EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
My wife has always said the same about knives, especially considdering
she works in a biological lab where they have some prety sharp stuff.
Mind she also says that it's beter to have a sharp knife than a dull
one, as you tend to have to apply less pressure and therefore are less
likley to slip and cut yourself, and if you do it's a clean cut so
will heal / re-atatch easier :)
Cheers.
Phill.
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:07:58 -0700
From: Ben <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
> Chuck Guzis wrote:
>
>> Soldering now is far safer than it used to be. I can still recall
>> the glorious sensation of picking up an American Beauty 100W
>> soldering iron by the wrong end. I suppose that we should be thankful that we don't
use an
oxyacetylene torch for PCB work...
I guess that is why BYTE[1] went from a hardware magazine
to software. 
20 Feb
20 Feb
6:48 p.m.
I agree with the sharp knife comment, as I once accidentally stabbed my
little finger (on my left hand) with a scalpel when I was at work. I was
only 19 at the time, and am much more careful with scalpels now. Thankfully
there was no blood, so it must have resealed when I removed it :)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
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From: <afra at aurigae.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... )
My wife has always said the same about knives, especially considdering
she works in a biological lab where they have some prety sharp stuff.
Mind she also says that it's beter to have a sharp knife than a dull
one, as you tend to have to apply less pressure and therefore are less
likley to slip and cut yourself, and if you do it's a clean cut so
will heal / re-atatch easier :)
Cheers.
Phill.
19 Feb
19 Feb
8:52 p.m.
Some of the best advice I got in college was from an
EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
I've heard much the same thing said about (turned-on) power saws...
As I've mentioned before, I am the least athletic person around, and have
difficulty catching anything thrown at me. Apart that is, from dropped
soldering irons. It's a natural reaction to try to prevent it falling,
and I always seem to manage to get hold of the metal shaft. Ouch!.
-tony
9:17 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
My father who is a retired carpenter told me to always keep both hands
on circular saw when using it. It's pretty hard to cut your
fingers/hands/arms when they are both on top of the saw.
This is a pretty cool design for table saws:
http://www.sawstop.com/
"We're passionate about preventing saw accidents.
That?s why SawStop? saws are equipped with a safety
system to stop the blade within 5 milliseconds of
detecting contact with skin."
The owner/inventor put his finger in a moving table saw blade to prove
it works. It's pretty neat.
Keith
Some of the
best advice I got in college was from an EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
I've heard much the same thing said about (turned-on) power saws...
As I've mentioned before, I am the least athletic person around, and have
difficulty catching anything thrown at me. Apart that is, from dropped
soldering irons. It's a natural reaction to try to prevent it falling,
and I always seem to manage to get hold of the metal shaft. Ouch!.
-tony 
10:39 p.m.
On 19 Feb 2010 at 16:17, Keith wrote:
The owner/inventor put his finger in a moving table
saw blade to prove
it works. It's pretty neat.
I saw that being flogged in Design News. While it may save your
fingers, it does so destructively (to the saw). I wonder if a green
hunk of softwood (as is likely to come from the mill) would also
trigger it. It seems that one trend of late is to use green framing
lumber in new construction. If that did stop the saw, it most
certainly would have me cursing the inventor.
I'll stay with my push sticks, thank you.
But it got me to thinking about how soldering and electronics
construction might have a parallel in the kitchen.
I wonder if this fear of getting hurt and sharp knives is related to
the phenomenon that few cook their own meals anymore. A big sharp
knife is much safer than a small dull knife in the kitchen. As in
soldering, keeping your attention on what you're doing matters a lot.
--Chuck
11:18 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I wonder if this fear of getting hurt and sharp knives
is related to
the phenomenon that few cook their own meals anymore. A big sharp
knife is much safer than a small dull knife in the kitchen. As in
soldering, keeping your attention on what you're doing matters a lot.
Cooking takes time ... few people have that now days!
--Chuck
Finding a good big sharp knife and small sharp knife,
and bread knife is hard. Every thing tends to stainless steel
and that don't keep sharp.
11:53 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 04:18:34PM -0700, Ben wrote:
I found a nice ceramic blade, that is (and stays) _very_ sharp. Pretty
much perfect for cutting moderately soft vegetables (like tomatoes), fish
and meat. Of course, it being ceramic, putting mechanical stress on it
(like trying to hack through frozen meat, wiggling it back and forth
(which would just bend a thin steel blade)) is very likely to snap it,
so it has be be handled carefully.
And as for the steel knives not staying sharp, well, thats what the
diamond-dust covered sharpening rod is for in the kitchen. It won't get
the knives up to a full razor edge (that would take different tools and
more time), but it gets them sharp enough quickly. For fine work on soft
stuff, I've got the ceramics blade anyway.
Regards,
Alex.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Well, monday-friday I eat at the company (and the canteen is very good),
but for the weekends, cooking at home it is. I find it very enjoyable
and relaxing. Plus, you end up with a very tasty meal when you are done.
I wonder if this fear of getting hurt and sharp
knives is related to
the phenomenon that few cook their own meals anymore. A big sharp
knife is much safer than a small dull knife in the kitchen. As in
soldering, keeping your attention on what you're doing matters a lot.
Cooking takes time ... few people have that now days! --Chuck
Finding a good big sharp knife and small sharp knife,
and bread knife is hard. Every thing tends to stainless steel
and that don't keep sharp. 
7:50 p.m.
On Feb 20, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
To be fair, we're doing a LOT more stuff.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Cooking takes
time ... few people have that now days!
Given that we now have all these devices that are supposed to save time,
how come we hve less time than we used to?
8:06 p.m.
On Feb 20, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
in order to be able to afford more devices to save time, . . .
A.D.D. will become a the norm. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Given that we now have all these devices that are
supposed to save time,
how come we hve less time than we used to?
To be fair, we're doing a LOT more stuff. 
10 Mar
10 Mar
9:42 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Dave McGuire wrote:
Why does this remind me of these lines from the theme to the film "Over
the Hedge"?
We drive our cars everyday
To and from work both ways
So we make just enough to pay
To drive our cars to work each day
....
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
To be fair, we're doing a LOT more stuff.
in order to be able to afford more devices to save time, . . .
10:45 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
Well, when you think about it, we're efficient little cash
generators for the corporations.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
On Sat, 20 Feb
2010, Dave McGuire wrote:
Why does this remind me of these lines from the theme to the film
"Over the Hedge"?
We drive our cars everyday
To and from work both ways
So we make just enough to pay
To drive our cars to work each day
.... To be fair, we're doing a LOT more stuff.
in order to be able to afford more devices to save time, . . . 
10 Mar
10 Mar
1:06 a.m.
On Saturday 20 February 2010 02:33:27 pm Tony Duell wrote:
People's priorities are all screwed up...
(Just getting more into cooking lately than I used to be.)
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
Cooking takes
time ... few people have that now days!
Given that we now have all these devices that are supposed to save time,
how come we hve less time than we used to?
-tony
1:29 a.m.
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
On Saturday 20 February 2010 02:33:27 pm Tony Duell
wrote:
People's priorities are all screwed up...
(Just getting more into cooking lately than I used to be.)
I find eating to be a more important priority than say sex.
The real question is: "Cola important for Programming?"
Ben.
The real topic here? Why now did this post show up on the list.
This is March.
Cooking
takes time ... few people have that now days!
Given that we now have all these devices that are supposed to save time,
how come we hve less time than we used to?
-tony
1:42 a.m.
On Tuesday 09 March 2010 08:29:35 pm Ben wrote:
Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
Because I'm a little behind in my reading? Something over 800 posts when I
started, down to 200-some-odd at this point. <shrug>
--
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James
M Dakin
On Saturday 20 February 2010 02:33:27 pm Tony
Duell wrote:
People's priorities are all screwed up...
(Just getting more into cooking lately than I used to be.)
I find eating to be a more important priority than say sex.
The real question is: "Cola important for Programming?"
Ben.
The real topic here? Why now did this post show up on the list.
This is March. Cooking
takes time ... few people have that now days!
Given that we now have all these devices that are supposed to save time,
how come we hve less time than we used to?
-tony 
4:43 a.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Ben<bfranchuk at
jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
Ian Primus taught me that "rotary debugger" is a synonym for "pizza",
incidentally.
Peace... Sridhar
I find eating to be a more important priority
than say sex.
The real question is: "Cola important for Programming?"
Ben.
Cola is *essential* for Programming.
Good cola, not store-brand. 
9:16 p.m.
New subject: Beverages and programming (was RE: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... ))
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:07 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... )
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Tony Duell wrote:
stuff....
The requirements can vary, depending on what language you use.
When I used to code in assembly, my beverage was coffee, morning, noon and night. And the
community was there for me:
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2324.html
...although as I grew older and realized that sleep was not truly optional, I built out
for other protocols as well:
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/man1/uubp.1fun.html
-- Ian
Cola is
*essential* for Programming.
Ah, that explains why I'm not a programmer. I
can't stand the 
10:48 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Tony Duell wrote:
The requirements can vary, depending on what language you use.
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and FORTRAN. Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
-ethan
Cola is
*essential* for Programming.
Ah, that explains why I'm not a programmer. I
can't stand the stuff....
11:03 p.m.
On 10 Mar 2010 at 17:48, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and FORTRAN.
Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
When Fry's opened their first electronics store in the Bay area, they
were the cheapest place to buy Jolt cola by the caselot. For a time,
there was some bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda (Canfields) that
enjoyed a brief bit of popularity among the technoscenti. I
suspected that BASIC programmers drank it. I thought it was
revolting.
--Chuck
11:09 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:03 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... )
On 10 Mar 2010 at 17:48, Ethan Dicks wrote:
When I was at Microsoft, I noted that although we had free access to colas from both sides
of the aisle (Pepsi and Coke), Jolt was not offered. My theory: they figured we'd
drink ourselves to death by liver dysfunction. Mountain Dew was hazardous enough.... --
Ian
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and
FORTRAN. Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
When Fry's opened their first electronics store in the Bay area, they
were the cheapest place to buy Jolt cola by the caselot. For a time,
there was some bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda (Canfields) that
enjoyed a brief bit of popularity among the technoscenti. I
suspected that BASIC programmers drank it. I thought it was
revolting.
11:25 p.m.
New subject: Sodas was Re: Soldering
Coke (or
Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and FORTRAN. Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
When Fry's opened their first electronics store in the Bay area, they
were the cheapest place to buy Jolt cola by the caselot. For a time,
there was some bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda (Canfields) that
enjoyed a brief bit of popularity among the technoscenti. I
suspected that BASIC programmers drank it. I thought it was
revolting. From personal experience, Mr Pibb goes well with Perl,
C and 6502 assembly
language.
--
------------------------------------ personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ --
Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckaiser at floodgap.com
-- Haiku is easy/Sometimes it doesn't make sense/Refrigerator -- "KFI
Haikus" -
11:53 p.m.
New subject: Sodas was Re: Soldering
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
> there was some bizarre chocolate-flavored diet
soda (Canfields) that
> enjoyed a brief bit of popularity among the technoscenti. ?I
> suspected that BASIC programmers drank it. ?I thought it was
> revolting.
I remember when it was first (or I guess second, according to the
article below) sold locally here in the Chicago area:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canfield%27s_Diet_Chocolate_Fudge
And it was foul!
Apparently, it is available again through your favorite online retailer.
11 Mar
11 Mar
1:32 p.m.
New subject: Sodas was Re: Soldering
Green Tea with Ginsing and Honey goes well with Lisp :)
Sinsemilla tea when available, helps with self modifing and nested pasta codeing styles.
The other Bob
7:02 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
When Fry's opened their first electronics store in
the Bay area, they
were the cheapest place to buy Jolt cola by the caselot. For a time,
there was some bizarre chocolate-flavored diet soda (Canfields) that
enjoyed a brief bit of popularity among the technoscenti. I
suspected that BASIC programmers drank it. I thought it was
revolting.
I swear by Bawls, and write a wide variety of languages on a daily basis.
Peace... Sridhar
10 Mar
10 Mar
11:36 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and FORTRAN.
Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
I was always told that a Forth programmer drinks a fifth...
Alexey
11 Mar
11 Mar
12:01 a.m.
> The requirements can vary, depending on what
language you use.
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and FORTRAN.
Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
I don't know whether ANYTHING goes with COBOL.
For Tony, I think that we can agree that tea is an acceptable beverage for
machine language and solder.
2:48 a.m.
On Wednesday (03/10/2010 at 04:01PM -0800), Fred Cisin wrote:
TAB?
or maybe that is best enjoyed with Visual BASIC.
--
Chris Elmquist
> The
requirements can vary, depending on what language you use.
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Ethan Dicks wrote:
Coke (or Jolt!) is for Assembly and C and
FORTRAN. Pepsi is for
PASCAL (and other languages I don't like ;-) (Sugar vs Sugar-free is
target-language agnostic.) I suppose one could come up with a
suitable cola match for FORTH and other less-commonly-encountered
languages.
FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
I don't know whether ANYTHING goes with COBOL.
9:03 a.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
I don't know whether ANYTHING goes with COBOL.
I'll say C++ definitely *isn't* a language one uses while drinking
tea... and I've never tried Mountain Dew, JOLT, Red Bull or "Relentless"
so I can't comment on those...
My taste for fizzy drinks really has dropped off significantly over the
past few years...
For Tony, I think that we can agree that tea is an
acceptable beverage for
machine language and solder.
Works for me.
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
3:53 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Philip Pemberton
<classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
>
> FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
Indeed. I stand corrected. Coffee rings on greenbar paper come to mind.
> I don't know whether ANYTHING goes with COBOL.
Therapy?
I'll say C++ definitely *isn't* a language one
uses while drinking tea...
and I've never tried Mountain Dew, JOLT, Red Bull or "Relentless" so I
can't
comment on those...
Jolt I like, Mt Dew as well, but I'm not fond of the taste or cost of Red Bull.
My taste for fizzy drinks really has dropped off
significantly over the past
few years...
They keep us freely caffeinated at work where I am now (free (Lipton)
tea, free coffee (no decaf), free soda (6 common varieties).
> For Tony, I think that we can agree that tea is an
acceptable beverage for
> machine language and solder.
I love my tea (with milk and sugar in the British/NZ/Oz style) but I
don't think it puts me in the right frame of mind for hardware or
software hacking - too relaxing, caffeine or no.
-ethan
6:05 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
They keep us freely caffeinated at work where I am now
(free (Lipton)
tea, free coffee (no decaf), free soda (6 common varieties).
I wish my work did -- the beancounters at head office sent this through
the other day:
----
ATTENTION: ALL STAFF
It has come to our attention that Petty Cash is being used for the
purchase of inappropriate items, such as:
- Food and drink: tea bags, coffee, milk, etc.
- Postage stamps
- [... the list goes on ...]
----
The real clincher is that HO used to send us tea, coffee and stamps with
the store stock -- they later stopped that and told us to buy the stuff
locally and charge it to petty cash. Now we're supposed to buy what we
need, then fill out a 4-page claim form, and send that back to head
office to claim our money back, which then (allegedly) goes into our
respective pay packets 2 months after it's approved.
Needless to say some of us aren't particularly happy with this -- we
have to send lab test reports to Fujifilm every couple of weeks (hence
the stamps) and nobody wants to pay for a book of stamps... or the
envelopes to send the test reports back. The Area Manager is cheesed
that we're "spectacularly failing" the photo-lab quality checks, but
nobody wants to actually send us some stamps so we can send the reports
off......
Gotta love big business. The bigger it gets, the dumber it gets.
I love my tea (with milk and sugar in the
British/NZ/Oz style) but I
don't think it puts me in the right frame of mind for hardware or
software hacking - too relaxing, caffeine or no.
This week, I've been drinking mostly water, but I do enjoy the
occasional cup of "Tick Tock" (rooibos / redbush -- caffeine free) tea.
But as you say, even that isn't ideal for coding...
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
6:26 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Philip Pemberton
<classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
Ethan Dicks wrote:
Fewer and fewer US companies do, despite the recommendations that
cutting coffee service costs the company more in lost productivity
than the coffee costs in the first place.
When I was at the Pole a few years back (where the tea/hot
cocoa/coffee is provided, but you've always had to pay for soda and
beer), the services contractor eliminated coffee service at their
Denver HQ. They "cushioned" the blow with the news that they were
spending $35K/year on beverages and related expenses (cleaning, etc)
and decided to eliminate free coffee to avoid laying someone off. The
first response I heard was, "you need names? I'll give you a list of
names!" The second response was for us at the South Pole to hold a
"Coffee Social" and invite the folks from Denver to come on down to
the South Pole "where the coffee is still free". Coincidentally,
Dilbert was running a multi-day thread on a back-pack-sized coffee mug
and the effects thereof. Nice synchronicity.
They keep us freely caffeinated at work where I am now (free (Lipton)
tea, free coffee (no decaf), free soda (6 common varieties).
I wish my work did The real clincher is that HO used to send us tea,
coffee and stamps with the
store stock...
Needless to say some of us aren't particularly happy with this -- we have to
send lab test reports to Fujifilm every couple of weeks (hence the stamps)
and nobody wants to pay for a book of stamps...
The usual method of handling that in the States (even in 50-person
firms) is with a postage machine. We have one here - it's locked to
avoid casual misuse, but it means that the office staff don't have to
present themselves to a Post Office to pick up actual stamps for
work-related mailings. I don't know if this is a feasible technique
in the UK or not, but it's common here.
-ethan
13 Mar
13 Mar
11:09 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Pemberton" <classiccmp at philpem.me.uk>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... )
Gotta love big business. The bigger it gets, the dumber it gets.
I couldn't agree more with that statement. Since the start of this month I
no longer need to ring work to let them know when I'm off ill - I now call
an external company who will then call my boss!
I only drink lemonade when programming, I gave up cola several years back.
The occasional snack (crisps or a chocolate bar) helps too :)
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
11 Mar
11 Mar
7:28 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
I don't know whether ANYTHING goes with COBOL.
Hemlock goes very well with COBOL. If you survive, sulphuric acid.
A nice single malt, something over 20 years old goes good with C coding.
C++, however, requires moonshine.
8:30 p.m.
FORTRAN was definitely a coffee language.
So for those assembly programmers among us, what's the beverage?
Romilar, maybe?
9:54 p.m.
Ray Arachelian wrote:
Hemlock goes very well with COBOL. If you survive,
sulphuric acid.
A nice single malt, something over 20 years old goes good with C coding.
C++, however, requires moonshine.
If you'd said that on IRC, I'd have posted it to bash.org (the Quotes
Database) by now... :)
I'm still going to add it to the quips-list on my Bugzilla install,
though :)
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
20 Feb
20 Feb
7:19 p.m.
This is a pretty cool design for table saws:
http://www.sawstop.com/
"We're passionate about preventing saw accidents.
That=92s why SawStop=AE saws are equipped with a safety
system to stop the blade within 5 milliseconds of
detecting contact with skin."
I am not convinced. My main moan is that you have to replace the complete
safety device if it trips? Why? I am darn sure you could make something
as quick-acting that was resetable.
Due to this, if it trips in the middle of a job and you don't have a
spare one to hand, you are going to find some way to disable it. Which
means you have no protection, but subconciously you will think you do and
won't take as much care.
Also, since you have to replace all the driver electronics every time
(why not just the fuse wire?) how do you know it's going to work? If it
was resetable, you could test it every month or som wy touching the side
of a the blade with a soft metal rod. If it trips, fine, if not, you fix
it. Better than that it not work when you need it. Of ocurse even if
you're prepared to waste a safety module every month to do that test, it
doesn't tell you anything. You don;t know the new one you've fitted is
going to work.
-tony
26 Feb
26 Feb
3:46 a.m.
Keith wrote:
This is a pretty cool design for table saws:
http://www.sawstop.com/
"We're passionate about preventing saw accidents.
That?s why SawStop? saws are equipped with a safety
system to stop the blade within 5 milliseconds of
detecting contact with skin."
The owner/inventor put his finger in a moving table saw blade to prove
it works. It's pretty neat.
It's an impressive video demonstration they have on their front page, there.
Peace... Sridhar
20 Feb
20 Feb
6 p.m.
On Feb 19, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Tony Duell wrote:
I think I've seen a band by that name. "The Turned-On Power Saws"
(and if it isn't a band name, it certainly should be!)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
Some of the
best advice I got in college was from an EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
I've heard much the same thing said about (turned-on) power saws...
26 Feb
26 Feb
3:38 a.m.
Jeff Walther wrote:
Some of the best advice I got in college was from an
EE professor who told
us, "If you drop your soldering iron, don't try to catch it on the way
down. Just let it go."
I don't try to catch any dropped tools. Even if they're expensive.
Losing a hand just isn't worth it.
Peace... Sridhar
4:09 a.m.
On 25 Feb 2010 at 22:38, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
I don't try to catch any dropped tools. Even if
they're expensive.
Losing a hand just isn't worth it.
That's probably Rule Number One when learning to juggle running
chainsaws....
Another good practice is to step back immediately when you lose your
grip on a sharp or heavy tool. Burned or bleeding feet and missing
toes aren't much fun.
--Chuck
8:11 p.m.
On 25 Feb 2010 at 22:38, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> I don't try to catch any dropped tools. Even if they're expensive.
> Losing a hand just isn't worth it.
I think it depends on the tool. I am not sure if you'd class a logicdart
as a tool, but I would certianly try to catch that if it fell. It is not
going to do me much herm (it's not sharp or hot), and it would be
impossible for me to replace it (hard to find, and I couldn't afford
one).
[...]
Another good practice is to step back immediately when
you lose your
grip on a sharp or heavy tool. Burned or bleeding feet and missing
toes aren't much fun.
This reminds me of 2 other things I was taught, when removing a pulley or
similar from a shaft. If using a puller tool, don't stand in line with
it. If it releases suddenly, it will fly off and hit you. For large
pullers and parts, broekn ribs, etc are a distinct possibility.
If yuo are supporting the pulley on a bench vice and either tapping the
spindle out or suing a puller, put the nut back on by 2 or 3 turns.
Firstly to protect the threads on the end of the spindle, and secondly to
protect your feet brom being hit by the falling spindle when it does come
off.
-tony
8:50 p.m.
On 26 Feb 2010 at 20:11, Tony Duell wrote:
This reminds me of 2 other things I was taught, when
removing a pulley
or similar from a shaft. If using a puller tool, don't stand in line
with it. If it releases suddenly, it will fly off and hit you. For
large pullers and parts, broekn ribs, etc are a distinct possibility.
Knowing what could go where is an important safey precaution in just
about any field, be it logging or moving heavy racks of equipment or
brewing a pot of tea.
I learned about stored energy in granny-knotted steel winch cable
when I cut through a knot and got whacked in the face by the loose
end of a 1.25" cable. Left me bruised and sore, but thankfully,
nothing more.
Sometimes I'm just lucky.
--Chuck
10 Mar
10 Mar
9:49 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Sometimes I'm just lucky.
For each life you get a fixed number of lucky escapes. You never know
how many you've been allocated, or even how many you have left. Only
time you find out is when you screw up really badly and just happen to
find out that the "lucky escapes remaining" counter was at zero...
Cats, by comparison, have it easy. "Nine lives, minus falling off that
second-floor balcony last week... and escaping that stupid pitbull the
week before last..." :)
Cheers,
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
11 Mar
11 Mar
6:47 p.m.
For each life you get a fixed number of lucky escapes.
You never know
how many you've been allocated, or even how many you have left. Only
time you find out is when you screw up really badly and just happen to
find out that the "lucky escapes remaining" counter was at zero...
If this means what I think it means, how are you in a state where you can
realise that your 'lucky escape counter' as got to zero?
-tony
10:38 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
When you either bump into Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates, or the
Ferryman at the bank of the Styx.
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.........
(substitute your own religious beliefs regarding death above)
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
For each life
you get a fixed number of lucky escapes. You never know
how many you've been allocated, or even how many you have left. Only
time you find out is when you screw up really badly and just happen to
find out that the "lucky escapes remaining" counter was at zero...
If this means what I think it means, how are you in a state where you can
realise that your 'lucky escape counter' as got to zero?
10:41 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Tony Duell wrote:
When you either bump into Saint Peter at the Pearly Gates, or the
Ferryman at the bank of the Styx.
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.........
You mean you're forced to complete a production code project in INTERCAL?
Peace... Sridhar
For each
life you get a fixed number of lucky escapes. You never know
how many you've been allocated, or even how many you have left. Only
time you find out is when you screw up really badly and just happen
to find out that the "lucky escapes remaining" counter was at zero...
If this means what I think it means, how are you in a state where you
can realise that your 'lucky escape counter' as got to zero?
26 Feb
26 Feb
9:39 p.m.
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
This reminds me of 2 other things I was taught, when
removing a pulley or
similar from a shaft. If using a puller tool, don't stand in line with
it. If it releases suddenly, it will fly off and hit you. For large
pullers and parts, broekn ribs, etc are a distinct possibility.
My brother broke his nose with the back of his own hand when a similar
assembly "let go" suddenly. He was working at eye-level vs
bench-level, but it's the same principle - don't stand with body parts
blocking the axis of removal.
-ethan
9:41 p.m.
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I was horsing around with my brother when I was about 7 years old and he
was pulling his hand away from me when I suddenly let go. He gave
himself a bloody nose and knocked himself on his ass.
Peace... Sridhar
This reminds
me of 2 other things I was taught, when removing a pulley or
similar from a shaft. If using a puller tool, don't stand in line with
it. If it releases suddenly, it will fly off and hit you. For large
pullers and parts, broekn ribs, etc are a distinct possibility.
My brother broke his nose with the back of his own hand when a similar
assembly "let go" suddenly. He was working at eye-level vs
bench-level, but it's the same principle - don't stand with body parts
blocking the axis of removal.
27 Feb
27 Feb
2:59 p.m.
Since we are talking about H&S here, I will throw this in as it's a recent
incident that happened (although doesn't really apply to computers):
Someone was working on hydraulic equipment to replace a leak. He placed his
finger over the hole where the leak was (so as not to lose it's location)
and the equipment was turned off, to prevent pressure building up. However,
pressure built up and well... the result was hydraulic fluid being forced
through his skin into his blood. He was quickly attended to by medical staff
that cut open his hand and carefully removed all traces of the fluid. There
is a horrific picture too, but it's not a pretty sight.
I know the same sort of thing can happen with high pressure air tools if you
are foolish enough to place your hand (or any other part of your body)
against it and release the air. However, in that case death (heart attack)
would be almost instant.
Regards,
Andrew B
aliensrcooluk at yahoo.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Soldering (Was: Re: HP-IB, Amigo/cs80 ... )
On 25 Feb 2010 at 22:38, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> I don't try to catch any dropped tools. Even if they're expensive.
> Losing a hand just isn't worth it.
I think it depends on the tool. I am not sure if you'd class a logicdart
as a tool, but I would certianly try to catch that if it fell. It is not
going to do me much herm (it's not sharp or hot), and it would be
impossible for me to replace it (hard to find, and I couldn't afford
one).
[...]
Another good practice is to step back immediately
when you lose your
grip on a sharp or heavy tool. Burned or bleeding feet and missing
toes aren't much fun.
This reminds me of 2 other things I was taught, when removing a pulley or
similar from a shaft. If using a puller tool, don't stand in line with
it. If it releases suddenly, it will fly off and hit you. For large
pullers and parts, broekn ribs, etc are a distinct possibility.
If yuo are supporting the pulley on a bench vice and either tapping the
spindle out or suing a puller, put the nut back on by 2 or 3 turns.
Firstly to protect the threads on the end of the spindle, and secondly to
protect your feet brom being hit by the falling spindle when it does come
off.
-tony
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