27 Jun
2009
27 Jun
'09
5:02 a.m.
Hi,
I've had this 40-pin IC for a while now. The only markings on it are
(Motorola Logo)
SC 440 00 L
7532 H
The second one is obviously a date code. The regular Internet searches reveal
nothing. It came off a small board with an MC6810 128-byte RAM.
Anyone know what it is?
Thanks,
Alexis.
27 Jun
27 Jun
9:31 a.m.
Alexis wrote:
I've had this 40-pin IC for a while now. The only
markings on it are
(Motorola Logo)
SC 440 00 L
7532 H
The second one is obviously a date code. The regular Internet searches reveal
nothing. It came off a small board with an MC6810 128-byte RAM.
Anyone know what it is?
Motorola used the SC prefix for custom parts. There was no published data.
Rarely, SC parts were modified versions of standard parts.
11:33 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
11:45 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company?
or down the tubes?
IMHO HP _went_ down the tubes over 10 years ago when the test equipment
became 'Agilent' (Note, I am not saying that Agilent went down the tubes...)
It saddens me that a company who used to be known for making some of the
best measuring insturments around are now known for cheap printers and
scanners. And that they once made the best pocket calculators, now many
of their calculators are just badge-engineered models.
-tony
12:44 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Tony Duell<ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I'm pretty pleased with my HP 50G, although the physical packaging
(case design, keys) don't quite hold up to the older calculators.
Still, it's quite powerful and has a much better keypad than TI
calculators (except for the arrow keys, which are terrible).
John
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reader, and drinking absinthe. It doesn't work. I'm going back to C,
Hunter S. Thompson, and cheap whiskey." -- Ted Dziuba
Or is HP on
its way to becoming a software company? ?or down the tubes?
IMHO HP _went_ down the tubes over 10 years ago when the test equipment
became 'Agilent' (Note, I am not saying that Agilent went down the tubes...)
It saddens me that a company who used to be known for making some of the
best measuring insturments around are now known for cheap printers and
scanners. And that they once made the best pocket calculators, now many
of their calculators are just badge-engineered models.
-tony
1:56 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Or is HP on
its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
IMHO HP _went_ down the
tubes over 10 years ago when the test equipment
became 'Agilent' (Note, I am not saying that Agilent went down the
tubes...)
It saddens me that a company who used to be known for making some of the
best measuring insturments around are now known for cheap printers and
scanners. And that they once made the best pocket calculators, now many
of their calculators are just badge-engineered models. 
12:56 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On 27 Jun 2009 at 11:33, Fred Cisin wrote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the
tubes?
Feh. My made-in-the-USA 16C is on its second set of batteries since
I purchased it sometime around 1983. I wonder if the same claim could
be made for an iPhone 25+ years from now?
I also note that the 16C is not one of the emulations offered.
--Chuck
1:16 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
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Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Chuck Guzis
Verzonden: zaterdag 27 juni 2009 21:56
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: HP Calc emulators
On 27 Jun 2009 at 11:33, Fred Cisin wrote:
You wouldn't have all those iphone users hunting for a real HP 16C on epay
;-)
I'm glad with my HP calculators don't need a iphone for that.
The real fun of old calculators is touching them and playing with them, no
touchscreen is giving you that fun.
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the
tubes?
Feh. My made-in-the-USA 16C is on its second set of
batteries since I purchased it sometime around 1983. I wonder
if the same claim could be made for an iPhone 25+ years from now?
I also note that the 16C is not one of the emulations offered. --Chuck
-Rik
9:58 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
I bought my HP48SX for two reasons. One was that I needed the sort of computation it
could provide (e.g. matrix calculations) in a small unit with a clean user interface. The
other was that it was the last model (as far as I could tell) that had the correct color
for its buttons and logos. :-) I used TI programmables back in the late 70s because they
were more affordable, but always lusted after the HPs.
I completely agree that there is a visceral pleasure in holding and using an
original-series HP programmable calculator. It demonstrates that while a general purpose
computer is not simply a souped-up calculator, a souped-up calculator has significant
value. Even today.
I'm going to go get my SX and do some calculations... because I can. -- Ian
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Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2009 1:16 PM
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
Subject: RE: HP Calc emulators
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Chuck Guzis
Verzonden: zaterdag 27 juni 2009 21:56
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Onderwerp: Re: HP Calc emulators
On 27 Jun 2009 at 11:33, Fred Cisin wrote:
You wouldn't have all those iphone users hunting for a real HP 16C on epay
;-)
I'm glad with my HP calculators don't need a iphone for that.
The real fun of old calculators is touching them and playing with them, no
touchscreen is giving you that fun.
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the
tubes?
Feh. My made-in-the-USA 16C is on its second set of
batteries since I purchased it sometime around 1983. I wonder
if the same claim could be made for an iPhone 25+ years from now?
I also note that the 16C is not one of the emulations offered. --Chuck
-Rik
28 Jun
28 Jun
12:33 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Ian King wrote:
I bought my HP48SX for two reasons. One was that I
needed the sort of computation it could provide (e.g. matrix calculations) in a small unit
with a clean user interface. The other was that it was the last model (as far as I could
tell) that had the correct color for its buttons and logos. :-) I used TI programmables
back in the late 70s because they were more affordable, but always lusted after the HPs.
I completely agree that there is a visceral pleasure in holding and using an
original-series HP programmable calculator. It demonstrates that while a general purpose
computer is not simply a souped-up calculator, a souped-up calculator has significant
value. Even today.
I'm going to go get my SX and do some calculations... because I can. -- Ian
I got a 48GX for my 15th birthday and used the hell out of it through
college. (The color scheme's not as nice as the SX, I'll agree.) I'd
still use it today, but the LCD screen has started "leaking" -- there's
a neat blotchy pattern on the screen now which unfortunately makes the
screen rather hard to read. Probably not much I can do to fix it other
than find a replacement calc... (unless someone knows where to find
replacement LCDs...)
Picked up a 50G a couple years back and I like it... the keys aren't
quite as nice (and I really miss the big ENTER key) but the screen is
much nicer (better contrast & slightly better resolution) and it's
considerably faster. It's too bad HP basically gave up the calculator
market to TI, there's been no interesting innovations in the graphing
calculator market since the TI-92 came out in 1996 or so... but maybe
there wasn't much more to do there before they became general-purpose
computers.
The 48 still feels nicer in my hand. Those things were built like
tanks. Most of the weight of the 50G is in the batteries :).
The iPhone HP calc emulations are neat, but I can't imagine using one
(or any other touch-based calc) for any length of time unless I had
nothing else on hand. The lack of tactile feedback is a big turn-off
for me.
Josh
6:04 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
The iPhone HP calc emulations are neat, but I
can't imagine using one
(or any other touch-based calc) for any length of time unless I had
nothing else on hand. The lack of tactile feedback is a big turn-off
for me.
A friend of mine was cleaning out his closet a few years ago and tossed me
his old HP-15C. It's a fun unit. I probably don't exercise it nearly enough
but hearing that the current HPs are not what they used to be makes me want
to keep it in better shape now.
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27 Jun
27 Jun
1:43 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Feh. My made-in-the-USA 16C is on its second set of
batteries since
I purchased it sometime around 1983. I wonder if the same claim could
be made for an iPhone 25+ years from now?
No, because the battery is not trivially replaceable ;-)
Right now, my iPhone 3GS, though I really enjoy it, makes me think of those
old Ricochet modems which are essentially useless because the service provider
no longer supports them.
Come to think of it, my iPhone 8GB and my original iPhone 3G are essentially
just iPod Touches now. I probably should jailbreak them.
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2:13 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On 27 Jun 2009 at 13:43, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
No, because the battery is not trivially replaceable
;-)
Having graduated to the 16C from the TI "Programmer", one thing that
struck me was that the 16C boasts a power consumption of 250
microwatts. Pretty remarkable for an early 80's design.
An iPhone drinks what, a couple of watts?
--Chuck
2:20 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
No, because
the battery is not trivially replaceable ;-)
Having graduated to the 16C from the TI "Programmer", one thing that
struck me was that the 16C boasts a power consumption of 250
microwatts. Pretty remarkable for an early 80's design. An iPhone drinks what, a couple of watts?
According to this,
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10115467-233.html
the CPU draw is around 180 milliwatts; I don't know if that includes the
PowerVR chip. The 3GS probably draws somewhat less due to its more efficient
core.
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28 Jun
28 Jun
4:58 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Come to think of it, my iPhone 8GB and my original
iPhone 3G are
essentially
just iPod Touches now. I probably should jailbreak them.
Why? They are widely used here in Brazil! ;oO If you're throwing then
away, I can send a trashcan for you :)
6 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Come to think
of it, my iPhone 8GB and my original iPhone 3G are
essentially just iPod Touches now. I probably should jailbreak them.
Why? They are widely used here in Brazil! ;oO If you're throwing then
away, I can send a trashcan for you :)
27 Jun
27 Jun
11:07 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I also note that the 16C is not one of the emulations
offered.
It's not from HP, but I'm the coauthor of the PRG-16C simulator sold by
Thomas Fors LLC. IMNSHO, our applications are better than the HP ones
anyhow, with two exceptions:
1) Ours don't come with an online user manual
2) Ours currently only work in landscape orientation (HP's 12C and 15C
iPhone apps offer a reduced-functionality portrait mode).
Eric
2:13 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Saturday 27 June 2009, Fred Cisin wrote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
If you want to see a "labor of love" in HP Calculator simulation, look at Eric
Smith's
"High-Fidelity Calculator Simulator" goodies at:
http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com/
His curent release simulates:
HP-35, HP-45, HP-55, HP-80
HP-21, HP-25
HP-31E, HP-33C, HP-34C, HP-37E, HP-38E, HP-38C
HP-41CV, HP-41CX
BTW: The iPhone HP calulator similations are based on Eric's licensed code.
Cheers,
Lyle
--
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Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
5:08 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Lyle Bickley wrote:
If you want to see a "labor of love" in HP
Calculator simulation, look
at Eric Smith's "High-Fidelity Calculator Simulator" goodies at:
http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com/
. . .
HP-31E, HP-33C, HP-34C, HP-37E, HP-38E, HP-38C
HP-41CV, HP-41CX
BTW: The iPhone HP calulator similations are based on Eric's licensed code.
OOops!
I owe Eric an apology; I didn't even know that he was doing calculator
emulations!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
6:52 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Jun 27, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Lyle Bickley wrote:
Note: that there are iPhone HP calculators that are based on Eric's
code long before HP posted their versions that were referenced in the
Macworld article.
Rumor has it that HP contacted Eric for his ROM images because they
(HP) *lost* all of the bits.
What Eric has done is truly phenomenal. He *reverse engineered* the
ROM data *and* the CPU instruction set from the actual calculators
(according to Eric you can't just read the ROM, you have to execute
the instructions). Eric's emulations *are* HP calculators in all but
silicon and plastic. They emulate the underlying CPU and run the
captured ROM images from the actual calculators.
TTFN - Guy
If you want to see a "labor of love" in
HP Calculator simulation,
look
at Eric Smith's "High-Fidelity Calculator Simulator" goodies at:
http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com/
. . .
HP-31E, HP-33C, HP-34C, HP-37E, HP-38E, HP-38C
HP-41CV, HP-41CX
BTW: The iPhone HP calulator similations are based on Eric's
licensed code.
OOops!
I owe Eric an apology; I didn't even know that he was doing calculator
emulations! 
7:10 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:52 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
Note: that there are iPhone HP calculators that are
based on Eric's
code long before HP posted their versions that were referenced in
the Macworld article.
Rumor has it that HP contacted Eric for his ROM images because they
(HP) *lost* all of the bits.
What Eric has done is truly phenomenal. He *reverse engineered*
the ROM data *and* the CPU instruction set from the actual
calculators (according to Eric you can't just read the ROM, you
have to execute the instructions). Eric's emulations *are* HP
calculators in all but silicon and plastic. They emulate the
underlying CPU and run the captured ROM images from the actual
calculators.
This is nothing short of *awesome*.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
7:59 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On 27 Jun 2009 at 22:10, Dave McGuire wrote:
This is nothing short of *awesome*.
I liked the one about reading the HP-35 ROM optically:
http://www.pmonta.com/calculators/hp-35/
--Chuck
8:07 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
At 6:52 pm -0700 2009/06/27, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
What Eric has done is truly phenomenal. He *reverse
engineered* the
ROM data *and* the CPU instruction set from the actual calculators
(according to Eric you can't just read the ROM, you have to execute
the instructions). Eric's emulations *are* HP calculators in all but
silicon and plastic.
In the case of the 12C, they're the silicon and plastic too. The current
incarnation runs on Eric's emulator on an ARM.
--
Kevin Schoedel <schoedel at kw.igs.net> VA3TCS
5:59 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
In the case of
the 12C, they're the silicon and plastic too. The current
incarnation runs on Eric's emulator on an ARM.
Lemmesee if I understood that: The HP12C I buy nowadays is an arm core
running Eric's emulation?!
10:22 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
The first versions ran on a saturn processor the same as the HP-71B.
The HP-12 is the only Voyager witch survived the 90th ;-)
-Rik
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[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Alexandre Souza
Verzonden: zondag 28 juni 2009 14:01
Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Onderwerp: Re: HP Calc emulators
In the case of the 12C, they're the silicon
and plastic too. The
current incarnation runs on Eric's emulator on an ARM.
Lemmesee if I understood that: The HP12C I buy nowadays
is an arm core running Eric's emulation?!
11:13 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
The first versions ran on a saturn processor the same as the HP-71B.
The orignal Voyagers (11C, 12C, etc) used a _NUT_ processor, similar to
the one in an HP41. According to the datasheet there are differences
mostly relating to the different battery voltage.
Original 11Cs and 12Cs contained 2 chips. The smaller one is the Nut CPU.
The larage one is the ROM/RAM/Display Driver, always known as 'R2D2'.
16Cs are much the same, the 15C has a thrid chip which is extra memory.
Rik, I looked at your photos... It looks like some 9000/300 machines are
going to be of interest to me. Darn, something else to look for :-). And
I love your vehicle :-)
-tony
1:37 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Oops, too fast me and my big mouth ;-)
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Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Tony Duell
Verzonden: zondag 28 juni 2009 20:13
Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: Re: HP Calc emulators
I found this from Eric Smith:
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/hpcalc/chips/
The first versions ran on a saturn processor the same as the HP-71B.
The orignal Voyagers (11C, 12C, etc) used a _NUT_ processor,
similar to the one in an HP41. According to the datasheet
there are differences mostly relating to the different
battery voltage.
Original 11Cs and 12Cs contained 2 chips. The smaller one is
the Nut CPU.
The larage one is the ROM/RAM/Display Driver, always known as 'R2D2'.
16Cs are much the same, the 15C has a thrid chip which is
extra memory.
Rik, I looked at your photos... It looks like some 9000/300
machines are going to be of interest to me. Darn, something
else to look for :-). And I love your vehicle :-)
Told you, the 300 series (some) are fun too ;-)
The DS is going to the painter half of august.
After that there will be more pictures.
-tony
-Rik
5:23 p.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
Dear friends,
A friend of mine got a C128 and I want to make a drive emulator for him.
I wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in windows or linux,
preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free) in google. Anyone can
help? :o)
Thanks
Alexandre
9:27 p.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
At 9:23 PM -0300 6/28/09, Alexandre Souza wrote:
A friend of mine got a C128 and I want to make a
drive emulator
for him. I wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in
windows or linux, preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free)
in google. Anyone can help? :o)
Are you looking for hardware or software? I really like Jim Brain's
uIEC, and it's fairly inexpensive. Hands down the single best piece
of hardware I've ever purchased for my C-64!
Zane
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| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
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| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
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9:57 p.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
A friend of
mine got a C128 and I want to make a drive emulator
for him. I wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in
windows or linux, preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free)
in google. Anyone can help? :o)
Are you looking for hardware or software? I really
like Jim Brain's
uIEC, and it's fairly inexpensive. Hands down the single best piece
of hardware I've ever purchased for my C-64! 
10:32 p.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
Alexandre Souza wrote:
I'm pretty sure it is! But I'm a bit "too far away" and short on
money :P So I'll have to find a locally reproductible option :) Well, if
you're handy with a soldering iron and you have a Linux or
Windows PC with a parallel port (for programming), the uIEC design and
the firmware are GPL. The IDE version can be created with no surface
mount components (ATMEGA644 DIP 40 pin + 40 pin IDE connector).
It'll probably cost USD$15.00-20.00 or so in parts, though.
Jim
A friend of mine got a C128 and I want to make a
drive emulator
for him. I wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in
windows or linux, preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free)
in google. Anyone can help? :o)
Are you looking for hardware or software? I
really like Jim Brain's
uIEC, and it's fairly inexpensive. Hands down the single best piece
of hardware I've ever purchased for my C-64!
10:05 p.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 9:23 PM -0300 6/28/09, Alexandre Souza wrote:
/me blushes...
As for software emulators, you might see if anyone has written a drive
emu that uses the openCBM libraries. Beyond that, I'm not sure there is
anything available.
Jim
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brain at jbrain.com
Dabbling in WWW, Embedded Systems, Old CBM computers, and Good Times!
Home: http://www.jbrain.com
A friend of mine got a C128 and I want to make
a drive emulator
for him. I wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in
windows or linux, preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free)
in google. Anyone can help? :o)
Are you looking for hardware or software? I really like Jim Brain's
uIEC, and it's fairly inexpensive. Hands down the single best piece
of hardware I've ever purchased for my C-64!
Zane
29 Jun
29 Jun
4:10 a.m.
New subject: 1541 drive emulators
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009, Alexandre Souza wrote:
A friend of mine got a C128 and I want to make a
drive emulator for him. I
wasn't able to find anything suitable (e.g.: Runs in windows or linux,
preferable windows, has schematics avaiable, free) in google. Anyone can
help? :o)
What about an appropriate X-cable:
http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~schepers/cables.html
and a copy of HDD64?
I think the DOS version is free.
--
10:40 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Rik, I looked
at your photos... It looks like some 9000/300
machines are going to be of interest to me. Darn, something
else to look for :-). And I love your vehicle :-)
Told you, the 300 series (some) are fun too ;-) The DS is going to the painter half of august.
After that there will be more pictures.
I will take a look when you get it done ;-). The DS has always been a
vehicle I've loved.
-tony
2:04 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
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Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Tony Duell
Verzonden: maandag 29 juni 2009 19:40
Aan: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Onderwerp: Re: HP Calc emulators
Indeed. I was perhaps a little unlucky in that the only
9000/300 I've got is a 9000/340 (and I've got far too many of
those :-)). and that does seem to have an ASIC on the
mainboard next to the CPU. It's been a long time since I've
been inside one, though.
I think you would like this website, it's not about the DS but Porche.
But the guy is describing the D-Jetronic EFI witch is also used in the DS
21IE an DS 23IE.
It's about the Bosch analoge electronic injection system using a inductive
map-sensor to determine the right mixture.
http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/djetfund.htm
> Rik, I looked at your photos... It looks
like some
9000/300 machines
> are going to be of interest to me. Darn,
something else
to look for
:-). And
I love your vehicle :-)
Told you, the 300 series (some) are fun too ;-) The DS is going to the painter half of august.
After that there will be more pictures.
I will take a look when you get it done ;-). The DS has
always been a vehicle I've loved. -tony
-Rik
28 Jun
28 Jun
3:07 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
The first versions ran on a saturn processor the same
as the HP-71B.
The HP-12 is the only Voyager witch survived the 90th ;-)
I note with interest on
http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/hpcalc/voyager/variants.html
that the 12C Platinum has a 6502-compatible core. That alone makes me want
to find one. Is this currently sold Platinum the same thing?
http://www.amazon.com/Hewlett-Packard-113394-12C-Platinum-Calculator/dp/B00…
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10 Jul
10 Jul
11:19 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Namens Alexandre Souza wrote:
> Lemmesee if I understood that: The HP12C I buy
nowadays
> is an arm core running Eric's emulation?!
>
If you buy a 12C and it takes two coin cells (vs. one coin cell, or
three button cells), then it uses an Atmel AT91SAM7L128 processor with
an ARM7DTMI core, and runs a simulation of the original Nut processor
architecture.
Rik Bos wrote:
The first versions ran on a saturn processor the same
as the HP-71B.
The HP-12 is the only Voyager witch survived the 90th ;-)
No shipping 12C calculator ever used the Saturn processor. The 12C and
the rest of the Voyager family were designed before the Saturn was
ready, so they used a version of the Nut processor from the HP-41C
family, modified to run at a lower voltage.
Over the years, they redesigned it for cost reduction several times, but
until the recent switch to the Atmel ARM microcontroller, they were
using ASICs.
HP ACO division (RIP) reportedly did design a Saturn-based 12C, but it
was not put into production.
Eric
5:12 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Lyle Bickley wrote:
If you want to see a "labor of love" in HP
Calculator simulation, look at Eric Smith's
"High-Fidelity Calculator Simulator" goodies at:
http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com/
Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> What Eric has done is truly phenomenal. He
*reverse engineered* the
> ROM data *and* the CPU instruction set from the actual calculators
> (according to Eric you can't just read the ROM, you have to execute
> the instructions). Eric's emulations *are* HP calculators in all but
> silicon and plastic.
Kevin Schoedel wrote:
> In the case of the 12C, they're the silicon
and plastic too. The current
> incarnation runs on Eric's emulator on an ARM
I'm a bit late replying do to travel and having to take some time to
recover from minor eye surgery. Thanks everyone for the kind words
about my projects. There are a few details that I should clarify:
The instruction set of the first-generation HP handheld calculators
(i.e., HP-35, HP-45, HP-55, HP-70, and HP-80) were documented in US
patents, so I didn't have to reverse-engineer that. The HP-65 adds some
additional instructions, and several other people helped with
reverse-engineering of those.
The instruction set of the "Nut" processor used in the 41C family, 10C,
11C, 12C, 15C, and 16C, was published by the PPC and CHHU user groups,
along with some internal HP documents, so I didn't have to
reverse-engineer that instruction set either. I did have to
reverse-engineer some other aspects of the Voyager (10C etc.) hardware.
I did have to do some reverse engineering of the instruction set used by
the two calculator generations between those, the Woodstock, Spice,
Topcat, and Sting series, which include the particularly well-known
HP-25, HP-67, and HP-97, as there was very little published information
on that instruction set. I also had to reverse-engineer the card reader
and printer control chips of the HP-67, 97, etc.
Thomas Fors LLC and AL Software are using my code under license in their
iPhone apps that simulate the 11C, 12C, 15C, 16C, and 41CX.
I did provide the 12C object code to HP for their effort to reengineer
the 12C on a new ARM-based platform that simulates the original
architecture. If you buy an HP 12C that takes two coin cells, it is the
new ARM-based design. However, HP did not use my simulation code. I
offered their engineer a little advice on details of the simulation, and
some sample code for efficient BCD arithmetic, but he wrote all of the code.
I was not expecting HP to sell calculator applications for the iPhone.
HP's applications are presumably using the same simulation code as their
new 12C calculator.
Best regards,
Eric
27 Jun
27 Jun
8:12 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Fred Cisin wrote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
I wish they would come out with versions for the Palm Pre. I also would
prefer the HP-16c over the 12c or 15c.
Peace... Sridhar
8:38 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Fred Cisin wrote:
There's a 16c (based on Eric's work) for the iPhone - it works
well. :-)
TTFN - Guy
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the
tubes?
I wish they would come out with versions for the Palm Pre. I also
would prefer the HP-16c over the 12c or 15c.
9:56 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Got a link? I only saw the 15c in there.
Peace... Sridhar
Fred Cisin wrote:
There's a 16c (based on Eric's work) for the iPhone - it works well. :-)
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
I wish they would come out with versions for the Palm Pre. I also
would prefer the HP-16c over the 12c or 15c.
10:07 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Go into iTunes and search for 16c calculator. It'll show up as prg16c.
TTFN - Guy
On Jun 27, 2009, at 9:56 PM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Guy Sotomayor wrote:
On Jun 27, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Sridhar Ayengar
wrote:
Got a link? I only saw the 15c in there.
Peace... Sridhar
Fred Cisin wrote:
There's a 16c (based on
Eric's work) for the iPhone - it works
well. :-)
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the
tubes?
I wish they would come out with versions for the Palm Pre. I also
would prefer the HP-16c over the 12c or 15c.
10:07 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On 28 Jun 2009 at 0:56, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Got a link? I only saw the 15c in there.
http://code.google.com/p/hpcalc-iphone/
--Chuck
11:03 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Fred Cisin wrote:
http://www.macworld.com/article/141364/2009/06/hpcalcapps.html
Is this somebody's labor of love?
Or is HP on its way to becoming a software company? or down the tubes?
They were developed by HP. I wasn't directly involved, though I did
offer them a small amount of technical information to help them write
their own simulator for the original 12C hardware to run on their latest
hardware which is based on an Atmel AT91SAM7L128 microprocessor (ARM 7
core).
I am rather surprised that they have decided to sell these as iPhone
applications.
I'm the coauthor of the SCI-11C, FIN-12C, SCI-15C, and PRG-16C iPhone
applications sold by Thomas Fors LLC, and the i41CX and i41CX+ iPhone
applications sold by AL Software.
Eric
28 Jun
28 Jun
1:34 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Eric Smith wrote:
They were developed by HP. I wasn't directly
involved, though I did
offer them a small amount of technical information to help them write
their own simulator for the original 12C hardware to run on their latest
hardware which is based on an Atmel AT91SAM7L128 microprocessor (ARM 7
core).
I am rather surprised that they have decided to sell these as iPhone
applications.
I'm the coauthor of the SCI-11C, FIN-12C, SCI-15C, and PRG-16C iPhone
applications sold by Thomas Fors LLC, and the i41CX and i41CX+ iPhone
applications sold by AL Software.
WOW!
I didn't know that part of what you had been up to!
I still can't comfortably use an iPhone (it needs modifications for HAC),
but the possibilities of porting 16c to Palm OS (Fossil/Abacus!) might
someday mean that I can retire my CFX400s.
10 Jul
10 Jul
11:23 p.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Fred Cisin wrote:
I still can't comfortably use an iPhone (it needs
modifications for HAC),
but the possibilities of porting 16c to Palm OS (Fossil/Abacus!) might
someday mean that I can retire my CFX400s.
Hmmm... I have the Abacus, though I don't routinely use it. I never
learned enough about PalmOS to do a port, though. Aside from the
iPhone, I'm currently doing development for the Android platform. I'm
willing to consider developing for the Blackberry Storm, and maybe the
Palm Pre. (Though personally I can't understand why people are excited
about the Pre, as it just seems like a "me too" product to me.)
Eric
11 Jul
11 Jul
2:32 a.m.
New subject: HP Calc emulators
Hmmm... I have the Abacus, though I don't
routinely use it. I never
learned enough about PalmOS to do a port, though. Aside from the
iPhone, I'm currently doing development for the Android platform. I'm
willing to consider developing for the Blackberry Storm, and maybe the
Palm Pre. (Though personally I can't understand why people are excited
about the Pre, as it just seems like a "me too" product to me.)
I don't know much about palm pre, but I do believe that people want to
stick to the ease of use of Palm OS and Palm Desktop. I'm a long time palm
and treo user, I just can't see me using anything but it. It is a pleasure
to have all data consolidated into palm desktop and sync easily with the
telephone.
I usually don't buy "new" products (although I was VERY tempted to buy
the iPhone, just didn't had the money :)) but I'm very curious about the
palm pre. Maybe in two or three years :)
6:16 a.m.
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Hi,
Creativecreek has a HP RPN software for Palm OS, Windows Mobile and iPhone.
http://www.creativecreek.com/mathupro.html
I used the CreativeCreek on my Palm device and I continue to use my
vintage HP25 and HP34C "built to last" calculators. I recently
purchased the anniversary HP-35s. It's ok but does really compare to
the original LED models or the HP32Sii LCD model. I continue to be
mystified by people that use AOS/ALG (Algebraic mode) calculators.
Enjoy.
At 05:32 AM 7/11/2009, you wrote:
Jim
e-mail: JeLynch at stny.rr.com
website: <http://www.gluons.us>www.gluons.us
Hmmm... I have
the Abacus, though I don't routinely use it. I never
learned enough about PalmOS to do a port, though. Aside from the
iPhone, I'm currently doing development for the Android platform. I'm
willing to consider developing for the Blackberry Storm, and maybe the
Palm Pre. (Though personally I can't understand why people are excited
about the Pre, as it just seems like a "me too" product to me.)
I don't know much about palm pre, but I do believe that people
want to stick to the ease of use of Palm OS and Palm Desktop. I'm a
long time palm and treo user, I just can't see me using anything
but it. It is a pleasure to have all data consolidated into palm
desktop and sync easily with the telephone.
I usually don't buy "new" products (although I was VERY tempted
to buy the iPhone, just didn't had the money :)) but I'm very
curious about the palm pre. Maybe in two or three years :)
12:37 p.m.
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I wrote:
Hmmm... I have the Abacus, though I don't
routinely use it. I never
learned enough about PalmOS to do a port, though. Aside from the
iPhone, I'm currently doing development for the Android platform. I'm
willing to consider developing for the Blackberry Storm, and maybe the
Palm Pre. (Though personally I can't understand why people are excited
about the Pre, as it just seems like a "me too" product to me.)
Alexandre Souza wrote:
I don't know much about palm pre, but I do
believe that people want
to stick to the ease of use of Palm OS and Palm Desktop.
They wouldn't want a Palm Pre, then. AFAICT, it's totally unrelated to
PalmOS and Palm Desktop.
Eric
12:49 p.m.
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I don't
know much about palm pre, but I do believe that people want
to stick to the ease of use of Palm OS and Palm Desktop.
They wouldn't want a
Palm Pre, then. AFAICT, it's totally unrelated to
PalmOS and Palm Desktop.
12:51 p.m.
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On Jul 11, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
From what I've read, it runs Linux, but has some sort of PalmOS
compatibility API.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I don't
know much about palm pre, but I do believe that people
want to stick to the ease of use of Palm OS and Palm Desktop.
They wouldn't want a Palm Pre, then. AFAICT, it's totally
unrelated to PalmOS and Palm Desktop.
1:06 p.m.
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I wrote:
They wouldn't want a Palm Pre, then. AFAICT,
it's totally unrelated
to PalmOS and Palm Desktop.
Dave McGuire wrote:
From what I've read, it runs Linux, but has some
sort of PalmOS
compatibility API.
Yes, but the overall UI of the phone is nothing like PalmOS. It
looks
like the host software isn't much like Palm Desktop, either.
Eric
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