13 Nov
2000
13 Nov
'00
10:38 a.m.
Hi
I am being offered a Sun Sparc2 locally. These are not really common
where I live...I could always get one from ebay...still
Seems my collection of "home pc's" will now be extended to Sun
systems...I am not familliar with these really...
Rather then search the net for hours, I taught I might find an "expert"
here to give me straight answers...
Unit comes with keyboard, mouse, 64M ram 2G HD. What a decent price for
this? They seem to go for anything from $10 to $40 on epay...
What kinda monitor will this need?
What should I check for?
What kinda performance does this thing offer if I wanna try it out?
(compared to...)
It will run Linux right?
Claude
13 Nov
13 Nov
11:02 a.m.
I am being offered a Sun Sparc2 locally. These are not
really common
where I live...I could always get one from ebay...still
Well.... In all honesty a Sparc 2 is a dog....
Seems my collection of "home pc's" will
now be extended to Sun
systems...I am not familliar with these really...
No problem, they're fairly simple and definitly cool little machines.
Rather then search the net for hours, I taught I might
find an "expert"
here to give me straight answers...
Unit comes with keyboard, mouse, 64M ram 2G HD. What a decent price for
this? They seem to go for anything from $10 to $40 on epay...
The $10-40 range seems fair. The real question is what S-Bus cards does it
include. Does it have a Framebuffer or anything else? The S-Bus cards can
raise its value.
Remember this machine is a real dog by todays standards, try and keep the
price as low as possible. If it had the 32MB RAM S-Bus board, or better yet,
that and the 32MB Piggyback board for either 96MB or 128MB, then it would be
an OK system. Mine has a total of 96MB, but came with only 64MB. With
Solaris 2.6 I couldn't run Netscape in 64MB, but it's OK in 96MB. Obviously
running another OS or OS version will result in different results.
What kinda monitor will this need?
I'm guessing it would depend on the framebuffer, I'm really not up on this
as mine is headless.
What should I check for?
What kinda performance does this thing offer if I wanna try it out?
(compared to...)
Well, it just so happens I was looking this up to compare my SS2 to the SS10
I just got. I've chopped out a lot of the below table so that it isn't quite
so huge. I think the stuff below is all workstations (not sure on the
HP's). Just remember these are the SPECint92 and SPECfp92 numbers. Things
such as I/O and how much RAM you've got, as well as the OS you're running will
effect how fast the machine *feels*.
******** TABLE 7: SPECint92, SPECfp92 ********
Notes:
- SPECint92 is derived from the results of a set of integer
benchmarks, and can be used to estimate a machine's single-tasking
performance on integer code.
- SPECfp92 is derived from the results of a set of floating point
benchmarks, and can be used to estimate a machine's single-tasking
performance on floating-point code.
(to sort on SPECint92/SPECfp92, "sort -n +0.48 -0.55"/"sort -n +0.56
-0.63" )
Field start, end column positions:
0,17 18,28 29,36 37,47 48,55 56,63 64,69 70,79
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
System CPU ClkMHz Cache SPECint SPECfp Info Source
Name (NUMx)Type ext/in Ext+I/D 92 92 Date Obtained
================= ========== ======= ========== ======= ======= ===== =========
DEC VAX11/780 VAX 5 8 1.0 1.0 Jan89 SPEC Ref
DEC VAX3100/38 ? ? ? 3.5 3.8 Mar93 DECinfo
DEC VAX3100/76 REX520 ? 128 7.1 6.6 Mar93 DECinfo
DEC VAX4000VLC SOC ? 25 5.8 6.3 Mar93 DECinfo
DEC VAX4000/60 KA46 22.2 ? 11.1 12.6 Mar93 DECinfo
DEC VAX4000/90 NVAX 71 2/8 ? 30.2 Sep92 SPEC news
DEC 5000/20 R3000 20 64/64 13.5 18.4 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/25 R3000 25 64/64 15.7 21.7 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/33 R3000 33 64/128 20.9 23.4 Sep92 SPEC news
DEC 5000/50,150 R4000 50/100 1M+8/8 46.7 45.9 Sep93 c.arch
DEC 5000/120 R3000 20 64/64 13.8 18.4 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/125 R3000 25 64/64 16.1 21.7 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/133 R3000 33 64/128 20.9 29.1 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/200 R3000 25 64/64 19.5 26.7 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/240 R3000 40 64/64 27.9 35.8 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 5000/260 R4400 60/120 1M+16/16 57.1 54.5 Sep93 c.arch
DEC 5000/280 R4400 60/120 1M+16/16 56.9 55.6 Jun93 DECinfo
DEC 3000/300 A21064 30/150 256+8/8 66.2 91.5 Apr93 c.sun.mc
DEC 3000/300L A21064 20/100 256+8/8 45.9 63.6 Apr93 c.sun.mc
DEC 3000/300LX A21064 25/125 256+8/8 63.5 75.5 May94 SPEC news
DEC 3000/300X A21064 35/175 256+8/8 84.4 100.5 May94 SPEC news
DEC 255/233 A21064A ??/233 1M+16/16 180.0 210.0 Mar96 Digital
DEC 255/300 A21064A ??/300 1M+16/16 215.0 245.0 Mar96 Digital
DEC 500/266 A21164 43/266 2M+96+8/8 329.0 405.0 Mar96 Digital
DEC 500/333 A21164 46/333 2M+96+8/8 389.6 480.1 Mar96 Digital
DEC [24]00/4/166 A21064 33/166 512+8/8 116.2 134.8 Jul95 Digital
DEC [24]00/4/233 A21064A 39/233 512+16/16 157.7 183.9 Apr95 Digital
DEC 600/5/266 A21164 38/266 2M+96+8/8 289.0 405.0 Jul95 Digital
DEC 600/5/266 A21164 38/266 4M+96+8/8 292.8 433.5 Jul95 Digital
DEC 600/5/300 A21164 75/300 4M+96+8/8 337.8 502.1 Jul95 Digital
DEC 600/5/333 A21164 83/333 4M+96+8/8 412.4 545.2 Jan96 Digital
HP 705 PA1.1 35 32/64 21.9 33.0 Nov92 Sunflash
HP 710 PA1.1 50 32/64 31.6 47.6 Oct92 c.arch
HP 712/60 PA7100LC 60 64 67.0 85.3 Jun95 www.hp
HP 712/80i PA7100LC 80 256 84.1 79.0 Jan94 HP
HP 712/80 PA7100LC 80 256 97.1 123.3 Jun95 www.hp
HP 712/100 PA7100LC 100 256 117.2 144.2 Jun95 www.hp
HP 715/33 PA7100 33 64/64 32.5 52.4 Jan94 HP
HP 715/50 PA7100 50 64/64 49.2 78.8 Jan94 HP
HP 715/75 PA7100 75 256/256 82.6 127.2 Jan94 HP
HP 715/64 PA7100LC 64 256 80.6 109.4 Jun95 www.hp
HP 715/80 PA7100LC 80 256 96.3 123.2 Jun95 www.hp
HP 715/100 PA7100LC 100 256 115.1 138.7 Jun95 www.hp
HP 715/100XC PA7100LC 100 1M 132.2 184.6 Jun95 www.hp
HP 720 PA1.1 50 128/256 38.5 66.1 Jun93 DECinfo
HP 725 PA7100 50 64/64 37.1 72.8 Apr93 Sunflash
HP 725/75 PA7100 75 256/256 80.3 126.8 May94 HP
HP 730 PA1.1 66 128/256 47.8 75.4 May92 c.sun.hw
HP 7[35]5 PA7100 99 256/256 109.1 167.9 Jan94 HP
HP 7[35]5/125 PA7150 125 256/256 136 201 Apr94 HP
HP 750 PA1.1 66 256/256 48.1 75.0 Oct92 c.arch
IBM 320H POWER 25 8/64 20.9 39.4 Nov92 Sunflash
IBM 340 POWER 33 8/32 27.7 51.9 Oct92 c.arch
IBM 350 POWER 41.6 8/32 35.4 74.2 Nov92 Digital
IBM 355 POWER 41.6 32/32 48.1 83.3 Sep93 c.arch
IBM 365,570 POWER 50 32/32 57.5 99.2 Sep93 c.arch
IBM 37[05T] POWER 62.5 32/32 70.3 121.1 Sep93 c.arch
IBM 380 POWER2 59 32/64 99.3 187.2 Mar95 www.ibm
IBM 390 POWER2 67 1M+32/64 114.3 205.3 Feb95 www.ibm
Sun SS/ELC FJMB86903 33 64 18.2 17.9 Nov92 Sunflash
Sun SS/IPC FJMB86902 25 64 13.8 11.1 Nov92 Sunflash
Sun SS/IPX FJMB86903 40 64 21.8 21.5 Nov92 Sunflash
Sun SS2 RT601 40 64 21.8 22.8 Oct92 c.arch
Sun SS2/PowerUp WeitekPwUP 40/80 16/8 32.2 31.1 Jun93 c.sun.an
Sun SS10/20 SuprSP 33 20/16 39.8 46.6 Nov92 Sunflash
Sun SS10/30 SuprSP 36 20/16 45.2 54.0 Apr93 Cockcroft
Sun SS10/40 SuprSP 40 20/16 50.2 60.2 Apr93 Sunflash
Sun SS10/41 SuprSP 40/40.3 1M+20/16 53.2 67.8 Apr93 Cockcroft
Sun SS10/51 SuprSP 40/50 1M+20/16 65.2 83.0 Apr93 Sunflash
Sun Classic,LX MicroSP 50 4/2 26.4 21.0 Nov92 Sunflash
Sun Voyager MicroSP2 60 16/8 43.2 36.2 Mar94 Sun
Sun SS4/70 MicroSP2 70 16/8 59.6 46.8 Jan95 Sunflash
Sun SS4/85 MicroSP2 85 16/8 65.3 53.1 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS5/70 MicroSP2 70 16/8 57.0 47.3 Mar94 Sunflash
Sun SS5/85 MicroSP2 85 16/8 65.3 53.1 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS5/110 MicroSP2 110 16/8 78.6 65.3 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS5/Turbo160 TurboSP 80/160 512+16/16 132 111 Nov96 FujiMicro
Sun SS20/50 SuprSP 50 20/16 76.9 80.1 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS20/51 SuprSP 40/50 1M+20/16 81.8 89.0 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS20/61 SuprSP 50/60 1M+20/16 98.2 107.2 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS20/71 SuprSP2 50/75 1M+20/16 125.8 121.2 Jan95 SunIntro
Sun SS20/612 2xSuprSP 50/60 1M+20/16 ? 127.1 Sep94 SPEC news
Sun SS20/HS11 HyperSP 50/100 256+8/0 104.5 127.6 Nov94 SunIntro
Sun SS20/HS21 HyperSP 50/125 256+8/0 131.2 153.0 May95 SunIntro
Sun SS20/151 HyperSP 50/150 512+8/0 169.4 208.2 Nov95 SunWorld
Sun Ultra1/140 UltSP 71/143 512+16/16 215 303 Nov95 SunIntro
Sun Ultra1/170 UltSP 83/167 512+16/16 252 351 Nov95 SunIntro
Sun Ultra2/2200 2xUltSP 100/200 1M+16/16 332 505 Nov95 SunIntro
Intel 486DX 80486 50 256+8 30.1 14.0 Oct92 c.arch
Intel 486DX2 80486DX2 33/66 0+8 32.4 16.1 Sep92 uproc rpt
Intel Xpress Pentium 60 256+8/8 70.4 55.1 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 66 256+8/8 78.0 63.6 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 50/75 512+8/8 89.1 68.5 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 60/90 512+8/8 106.5 81.4 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 60/90 1M+8/8 110.1 84.4 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 66/100 512+8/8 118.1 89.9 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 66/100 1M+8/8 121.9 93.2 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 60/120 512+8/8 133.7 99.5 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 60/120 1M+8/8 140.0 103.9 Mar95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 66/133 512+8/8 147.5 109.6 Jun95 www.intel
Intel Xpress Pentium 66/133 1M+8/8 155.5 116.9 Jun95 www.intel
Intel XXpress Pentium 66/100 1M+8/8 137.7 ? Jan96 www.intel
Intel XXpress Pentium 60/120 1M+8/8 157.3 108.4 Jan96 www.intel
Intel XXpress Pentium 66/133 1M+8/8 174.2 120.6 Jan96 www.intel
Intel XXpress Pentium 60/150 1M+8/8 181.4 ? Jan96 www.intel
Intel XXpress Pentium 66/166 1M+8/8 197.5 ? Jan96 www.intel
Intel Alder PentPro 150 256+8/8 243.9 220.0 Jan96 www.intel
Intel Alder PentPro 166 512+8/8 327.1 261.3 Nov95 www.intel
Intel Alder PentPro 180 256+8/8 287.1 254.6 Jan96 www.intel
Intel Alder PentPro 200 256+8/8 318.4 283.2 Jan96 www.intel
It will run Linux right?
It looks like it, plus it should run SunOS, Solaris, NetBSD, and OpenBSD.
Zane
2:46 p.m.
Seems my collection of "home pc's" will
now be extended to Sun
systems...I am not familliar with these really...
Happened to think of something that might help get you up to speed. Try the
following URL's.
http://www.sunhelp.org/pages.php?page=info-ref
and
http://www.sunhelp.org/
The first is the Sun Hardware Reference, it's out of date, but for what
you're interested in it should be a big help. The second is the front page
of SunHelp, which is probably the best place to start looking for Sun info.
Zane
P.S. Yes, I'm aware they're both the same site.
7:34 p.m.
On Mon, Nov 13, 2000 at 08:46:03PM -0800, healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
Thanks for the plug. The Sun Hardware Reference is (slowly) being
updated; http://sun-ref.sunhelp.org.
Bill (aka mrbill(a)sunhelp.org)
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
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