25 Oct
2000
25 Oct
'00
3:21 p.m.
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:46:09 -0700
From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com>
Subject: Re: Classic Macs
I guess maybe you didn't follow the Web links.
My god! I thoought I was a fanatic with my Commodore computers! I
figure the next thing is to get I-Mac or Cube guts into one of those... (=))
Hmm. I wonder what one could do with an original PET... nah... but If
I had a C65 motherboard... nah.
These guys have upgraded the Color Classic to Power
Mac G3 CPUs and lots of bells and whistles.
Hey, Sam! Hot Rodded Classics? Best speed, or best flame paint job? ;>
If you have access to the New York Times, see the
Thursday, August 24, 2000 national edition page D8
for an article entitled: "A Long-Discontinued
Macintosh Still Thrills Collectors to the Core."
Not quite classic by this mailing list standards,
but, as I said, truly CLASSIC.
Dave
P.S. You probably want to volunteer to "retire" those
Color Classics from work into your collection.
Bought with government funds, removing those from inventory takes a bit
of work... :/
Larry Anderson wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 13:01:37 -0700
> > From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com>
> > Subject: Re: old MAC's
> >
> > Some of these aren't truly "classic" yet (<10 years),
> > but it's looking like the Color Classic is really a
> > CLASSIC. If you want to really get carried away with
> > older Macs, see about the Color Classic at
> > http://home.hkstar.com/~patrickn/colorclassic/
> >
> > Dave
>
> We have a couple Color Classics at work a max of 10 megs RAM and 16mghz
> speed makes it mighty slow (even with the MicroMac Accelerators)...
>
--
01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101
Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363
300-14.4k bps
Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html
01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011
25 Oct
25 Oct
5:33 p.m.
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Larry Anderson wrote:
I don't know. That kinda goes against the whole preservation thing. I
think it's fine for modern day machines. In the very least, personalizing
your computer's paint job will give it much needed character (unless it's
a Mac :)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
These guys
have upgraded the Color Classic to Power
Mac G3 CPUs and lots of bells and whistles.
Hey, Sam! Hot Rodded Classics? Best speed, or best flame paint job? ;> 
27 Oct
27 Oct
3:43 a.m.
On Wed, 25 Oct 2000, Larry Anderson wrote:
> > These guys have upgraded the Color Classic to Power
> > Mac G3 CPUs and lots of bells and whistles.
> Hey, Sam! Hot Rodded Classics? Best speed, or
best flame paint job? ;>
I don't know. That kinda goes against the whole
preservation thing. I
think it's fine for modern day machines. In the very least, personalizing
your computer's paint job will give it much needed character (unless it's
a Mac :)
Well, I personaly realy like to get my hands on soopered machines.
A ZX81 in Wonderbra configuration (harddrive, 512K Mem, etc. pp)
_is_ a real highlight. Of course preservation of 'pure' machines
is a must (and keeping the spirit in preserving average work
configuration), but such ubercomputer beasts (like a C64 with
more drillholes for switches than a 1920 switchboard and a
second C64 case just for add on boards, or a Spectrum in C=610
case, or an Atari Lighthouse) are true monuments what dedication
ment during the haydays of micro computing. If I had to decide
between lets say a ZX81 with hard drive and an Apple one, if may
be a tough one.
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
4:24 a.m.
Then you've got the S-100 bus systems of the mid-late 70's
where nearly every single one of them was modified to some extent or
another just due to the fact that it was something that needed to be
done to get any kind of functionality out of it. Both my homebuilt
S-100 machine and my SWTPc 6809 were added to over the years.
Sometimes 'hot rodding' was just the nature of the beast and an
everyday part of being a computer hobbyist at the time. I don't feel
that period modifications are any less valid a configuration than a
fresh factory machine and sometimes even more desirable because of
how unique they can be.
Jeff
Well, I personaly realy like to get my hands on soopered machines.
A ZX81 in Wonderbra configuration (harddrive, 512K Mem, etc. pp)
_is_ a real highlight. Of course preservation of 'pure' machines
is a must (and keeping the spirit in preserving average work
configuration), but such ubercomputer beasts (like a C64 with
more drillholes for switches than a 1920 switchboard and a
second C64 case just for add on boards, or a Spectrum in C=610
case, or an Atari Lighthouse) are true monuments what dedication
ment during the haydays of micro computing. If I had to decide
between lets say a ZX81 with hard drive and an Apple one, if may
be a tough one.
--
Power Computing PowerCurve, 400mhz G3, Mac OS 9.0.4
Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:40 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I'm going to be getting an H89 in the next week or so, and I'm considering
putting all the manuals online as PDF files. Is there any interest in
this? All the searching I've done on the net for H-8/11/88/89 info has
turned up a pitiful lack of info. If you've got anything you'd like to
see on a dedicated Heathkit computer page, please let me know.
g.
9:05 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
Gene Buckle <geneb(a)deltasoft.com> wrote:
I'm going to be getting an H89 in the next week or
so, and I'm considering
putting all the manuals online as PDF files. Is there any interest in
this? All the searching I've done on the net for H-8/11/88/89 info has
turned up a pitiful lack of info. If you've got anything you'd like to
see on a dedicated Heathkit computer page, please let me know.
g.
Hi Gene
Sound good to me. Go for it.
Dwight
9:56 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I'm going to be getting an H89 in the next week or
so, and I'm considering
putting all the manuals online as PDF files. Is there any interest in
this? All the searching I've done on the net for H-8/11/88/89 info has
turned up a pitiful lack of info. If you've got anything you'd like to
see on a dedicated Heathkit computer page, please let me know.
g.
This sounds great! I obtained a Heathkit Computer (H89) a while back,
and it had no documentation with it. I've been looking for
documentation ever since. The system seems to run fine, but i have no
diskettes to boot from... Personally, I'd like to see some
schematics of the boards from the H89.
Please let me know the url of your website.
Thanks - Bob
2:41 p.m.
New subject: H-89....
see on a
dedicated Heathkit computer page, please let me know.
g.
This sounds great! I obtained a Heathkit Computer (H89) a while back,
and it had no documentation with it. I've been looking for
documentation ever since. The system seems to run fine, but i have no
diskettes to boot from... Personally, I'd like to see some
schematics of the boards from the H89.
Please let me know the url of your website. 
11:02 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
Bob, the main site is located at http://deltasoft.fife.wa.us/cpm. The
Heathkit portion will be under that or maybe at /heathkit. I may even
go so far as to set up a domain for it, but we'll see how much info I
can get on it.
I'm getting a full manual set for the machine, including the manual
for the H37 soft sector drive controller, rom sources on disk as well
as printed (w/comments), etc. I'd be happy to make you some CP/M boot
disks for the machine, but I do only have the soft sector controller,
so if you've got the hard sectored controller (H17 I think) then I'll
have to obtain them for you elsewhere. I'm pretty sure that the
manuals include full schematics, so those will be scanned as well.
g.
I've got an H-77 dual 8" FDD that I picked up separately from my
Z-89 but assumed it was for the 89 . Was this FDD usually used
with it ?
ciao larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
28 Oct
28 Oct
3:41 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I've got an H-77 dual 8" FDD that I picked
up separately from my
Z-89 but assumed it was for the 89 . Was this FDD usually used
with it ?
Larry, the only difference (that I know of) between the Z-89 and the H-89
is that the Z-89 was a factory built H-89 rebadged Zenth (the Heathkit
parent at that time). There may be board changes or other changes, but
they're basically the same computer. If you've got pictures of those
drives I'd like to see them.
g.
1:25 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I've got
an H-77 dual 8" FDD that I picked up separately from my
Z-89 but assumed it was for the 89 . Was this FDD usually used with
it ?
Larry, the only difference (that I know of) between the Z-89 and the
H-89 is that the Z-89 was a factory built H-89 rebadged Zenth (the
Heathkit parent at that time). There may be board changes or other
changes, but they're basically the same computer. If you've got
pictures of those drives I'd like to see them.
g.
27 Oct
27 Oct
3:43 p.m.
New subject: H-89....
Hi Gene
I don't have a way to copy stuff easily but I do have
some manuals and docs. I bought a H-89 when they first came
out. After the 2K for the machine, I was too straped to
buy the OS. I hand disassembled the H-17 ROM and figured
how to read and write to the floppy. I took a 8080 listing
for a FIG Forth and put that on it with my disk interface
code. In any case I have a Forth that will boot stand alone.
Ofer the years I aquired the OS and some other software.
I descovered that the way Heath kit was using the disk
was real bad because it required a revolution of the disk
for each consecutive sector. In my Forth, I wrote a format
routine that would pick up a track and rewrite it with
interleaving of the sectors. It made enormous differences
in the operation of the hard sectored software. I'll try
to dig this stuff up. I'll try to give you a list of the
docs and such that I have as well. Maybe someone local can
scan stuff that that I don't have the time to deal with.
( I live in Santa Cruz Ca. ).
Later
Dwight
PS I also modified my H-89 by mount two half height drives
in the single slot ( it did require a little filing of the plastic ).
28 Oct
28 Oct
3:15 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
buy the OS. I hand disassembled the H-17 ROM and
figured
how to read and write to the floppy. I took a 8080 listing
for a FIG Forth and put that on it with my disk interface
Now THAT is dedication.
:)
docs and such that I have as well. Maybe someone local
can
scan stuff that that I don't have the time to deal with.
( I live in Santa Cruz Ca. ).
This would be great! Thanks!
g.
27 Oct
27 Oct
10:31 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I'm going to be getting an H89 in the next week or
so, and I'm
considering putting all the manuals online as PDF files. Is there any
interest in this? All the searching I've done on the net for
H-8/11/88/89 info has turned up a pitiful lack of info. If you've got
anything you'd like to see on a dedicated Heathkit computer page,
please let me know.
g.
That's a definite thumbs up !! It might even finally inspire me
enough to get my Z-89 up and running. There has been
considerable discussion on the H89 over the years on the list
and Tony Duell is the resident expert. Considering the amount of
interest in them it's amazing there hasn't been something before.
Only one of the Heathkit sites had anything mildly useful when I
was searching.
Another candidate is the TRS80 m.II which is usually passed over
on TRS80 sites. The wee bit that is available is due to a couple of
our european list members.
ciao larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
28 Oct
28 Oct
3:39 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
That's a definite thumbs up !! It might even
finally inspire me
enough to get my Z-89 up and running. There has been
It's not working? For shame Larry! :)
considerable discussion on the H89 over the years on
the list
and Tony Duell is the resident expert. Considering the amount of
interest in them it's amazing there hasn't been something before.
Only one of the Heathkit sites had anything mildly useful when I
was searching.
It's really irritating. The volume of information on
Heathkit's amateur
radio products is nearly overwhelming, but the computer line is nearly
ignored. I would imagine that it's got quite a bit to do with the fact
that ham radio operators are massive kit builder freaks. (I can say this
because I'm one of 'em - KC7AFE *g*) It really ticks me off to see
computers as good as the H/Z series is being virtually ignored. I think
it's most likely due to the fact that "old timers" like us really enjoy
know what the hell goes on under the case and the new generation of geeks
is more concerned with what it can do or how fast it can go.
Another candidate is the TRS80 m.II which is usually
passed
over
on TRS80 sites. The wee bit that is available is due
to a couple of
our european list members.
Hmm. Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a TRS-80 Model II site. There
is a VERY good TRS-80 site at http://www.trs-80.com. It's run by Ira
Goldklang. It's probably the single largest collection of software for
the TRS-80 series of computers that anyone has ever seen. He's looking
for a high bandwidth mirror if anyone is interested - I guess the site
costs him quite a bit to operate.
g.
1:25 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
That's a
definite thumbs up !! It might even finally inspire me
enough to get my Z-89 up and running. There has been
It's not working? For shame Larry! :)
Another
candidate is the TRS80 m.II which is usually passed
over on TRS80 sites. The wee bit that is available is due to a couple of
our european list members.
Hmm. Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a TRS-80 Model II site.
There is a VERY good TRS-80 site at http://www.trs-80.com. It's run
by Ira Goldklang. It's probably the single largest collection of
software for the TRS-80 series of computers that anyone has ever seen.
He's looking for a high bandwidth mirror if anyone is interested - I
guess the site costs him quite a bit to operate.
g.
12:59 p.m.
New subject: Fixing machines (was Re: H-89....)
At 09:25 AM 10/28/00 -0400, Larry wrote:
Hang me 'ead in shame. Unfortunately like most
collectors with
large inventories there's always a mammoth amount of items on
the "to fix" list and priority comes from inclination.
I've discovered this problem is fairly rampant. I'm presently attempting a
"fix this one and move on" strategy where I spend cycles, concentrate on
one machine, until its up and running. Then moving on to another. I'm also
going to be putting together digital pix of the work so hopefully I'll have
a record to share with others.
--Chuck
6:13 p.m.
New subject: Fixing machines (was Re: H-89....)
At 09:25 AM 10/28/00 -0400, Larry wrote:
That would be great. Will it also include a wav file recording the
cussin' . " #!@#%$@%^#^% machine I'm gonna throw you out the
window A bloody sadist must have designed it !! " :^)
ciao larry
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)look.ca
Hang me 'ead in shame. Unfortunately like
most collectors with
large inventories there's always a mammoth amount of items on
the "to fix" list and priority comes from inclination.
I've discovered this problem is fairly rampant. I'm presently
attempting a "fix this one and move on" strategy where I spend cycles,
concentrate on one machine, until its up and running. Then moving on
to another. I'm also going to be putting together digital pix of the
work so hopefully I'll have a record to share with others.
--Chuck
29 Oct
29 Oct
1:41 a.m.
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7:17 p.m.
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enjoy programming it for a bit. I can generally get one
of those machines
going in a couple of days (and certainly less than a week)
You are on such an elevated plane from me it isn't funny. I have "two"
electric razors in three piles of parts waiting for me to; A) glue a
repaired switch back together, and B) solder in a new set of NiCads. I
think the first one has been apart since January (of this year at least).
Of course I do finish many things in a timely manner, but I must have a
dozen or so projects that aren't moving along.
30 Oct
30 Oct
4:32 a.m.
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5:38 a.m.
New subject: Fixing machines (was Re: H-89....)
And I'll even admit to having some simple projects
(like battery pack
rebuilds) that I can't be bothered to do at the moment. One day they'll
get to the top of the queue...
When my more than 10 year old only for "travel" (packed in my trip bag)
razor, a free demo SensorTrak blade gets just a bit duller fixing my
Norelcos will jump to the fast track. BTW comparing the two Norelcos, a
1601 and a much newer 840 the change in technology is fascinating.
28 Oct
28 Oct
6:21 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
You might also try Kees's Model II page at.
http://home.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/cm/modelii.html.
Michael Nadeau
(former editor, 80 Micro)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Buckle" <geneb(a)deltasoft.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: H-89....
That's a
definite thumbs up !! It might even finally inspire me
enough to get my Z-89 up and running. There has been
It's not working? For shame Larry! :)
considerable discussion on the H89 over the years
on the list
and Tony Duell is the resident expert. Considering the amount of
interest in them it's amazing there hasn't been something before.
Only one of the Heathkit sites had anything mildly useful when I
was searching.
It's really irritating. The volume of information on
Heathkit's amateur
radio products is nearly overwhelming, but the computer line is nearly
ignored. I would imagine that it's got quite a bit to do with the fact
that ham radio operators are massive kit builder freaks. (I can say this
because I'm one of 'em - KC7AFE *g*) It really ticks me off to see
computers as good as the H/Z series is being virtually ignored. I think
it's most likely due to the fact that "old timers" like us really enjoy
know what the hell goes on under the case and the new generation of geeks
is more concerned with what it can do or how fast it can go.
Another candidate is the TRS80 m.II which is
usually passed
over
on TRS80 sites. The wee bit that is available is
due to a couple of
our european list members.
Hmm. Come to think of it, I've NEVER seen a TRS-80 Model II site. There
is a VERY good TRS-80 site at http://www.trs-80.com. It's run by Ira
Goldklang. It's probably the single largest collection of software for
the TRS-80 series of computers that anyone has ever seen. He's looking
for a high bandwidth mirror if anyone is interested - I guess the site
costs him quite a bit to operate.
g.
5:39 a.m.
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7:11 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
I don't have (or have access to) a scanner, so I
can't help with scanning
in the manuals. But if anyone is trying to repair one of these machines I
can pull the manuals out and see if I can sort out what's going on.
Tony, I can pretty much scan anything. I've got a very nice HP1100a
laser printer/sheet fed scanner. What I'm going to do is take the manuals
that I've got and turn them into single sided photocopies using a fancy
photocopier I have access to at work. From there I can take the single
sided copies and merrily feed them through the scanner. :) I figure I'll
spend far more time doing OCR correction than scanning the pages - which
is the way it's _supposed_ to work. :)
If you like, I can scan anything you've got that I don't have (or will
have when the machine arrives)
Does anyone here know if Acrobat 4.0 has a better OCR engine than 3.01
does?
ttyl.
g.
12 Nov
12 Nov
4:16 p.m.
New subject: H-89....
Hi Gene:
I saw your postings on Classiccmp a while back and
wanted to let you know what I have.
Assembly Manual for the H-89A (595-2596-04)
Illustration Booklet (595-2596-01)
Operation Manual for the H-89A (595-2766-04)
Illustration Booklet (595-2766-04)
Schematic of the Heathkit Digital Computer H-89A
(595-2766-04)
Instructions for the Heath 96 TPI 5-1/4" FDD Model
H-17-5 (597-3179-02)
Instructions for the Zenith Double-Density Disk
Controller Model Z-89-37 (595-2707-04)
Parts Pictorial (595-2707-04)
Schematic of the Zenith Floppy Disk Controller Model
Z-89-37 (595-2674-04)
Monitor MTR-90 Operation Manual (595-2696)
Heathkit Manual for the 48 TPI 5 1/4" Floppy Disk Drive
Model H-17-1 (595-2716)
Operation Manual for D-G Electronic Developments Co.
D-G SUPER 89 Enhanced Processor Board
Let me know if you need copies of any of this and I'll
see what I can do. I also have various software
manuals that go with the H-89, including those for
CPM/2.2 and CPM-80.
Wayne Smith
13 Nov
13 Nov
1:18 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
Thanks Wayne. I'm still awaiting the arrival of my machine. :) I'm
having odd problems with my scanner right now - Adobe won't grab more than
one sheet. I have to solve this before I can start doing any heavy duty
scanning. I'll let you know what I need once I get my machine - it has
some docs with it, but I don't know what as yet.
g.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2000, Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Hi Gene:
I saw your postings on Classiccmp a while back and
wanted to let you know what I have.
Assembly Manual for the H-89A (595-2596-04)
Illustration Booklet (595-2596-01)
Operation Manual for the H-89A (595-2766-04)
Illustration Booklet (595-2766-04)
Schematic of the Heathkit Digital Computer H-89A
(595-2766-04)
Instructions for the Heath 96 TPI 5-1/4" FDD Model
H-17-5 (597-3179-02)
Instructions for the Zenith Double-Density Disk
Controller Model Z-89-37 (595-2707-04)
Parts Pictorial (595-2707-04)
Schematic of the Zenith Floppy Disk Controller Model
Z-89-37 (595-2674-04)
Monitor MTR-90 Operation Manual (595-2696)
Heathkit Manual for the 48 TPI 5 1/4" Floppy Disk Drive
Model H-17-1 (595-2716)
Operation Manual for D-G Electronic Developments Co.
D-G SUPER 89 Enhanced Processor Board
Let me know if you need copies of any of this and I'll
see what I can do. I also have various software
manuals that go with the H-89, including those for
CPM/2.2 and CPM-80.
Wayne Smith
7:20 p.m.
New subject: Montreal computer run
I plan to be in Montreal next week, 11/18 to 11/27, and should have some
time during the week to fiddle around. With this in mind I have just about
convinced my wife to allow me ONE large suitcase for computer stuff
(hopefully different stuff each way). I am open to suggestions on places to
see, why this is insane, or amusing things to say to customs people, plus
requests for stuff to bring up.
My web site is horribly out of date, prices now close to meaningless, and I
have a LOT more stuff. Maybe I will get the pictures links going before I
leave, but lots of other stuff are in the way.
http://home.socal.rr.com/mikeford/index.html
28 Oct
28 Oct
1:35 a.m.
New subject: H-89....
Gene,
I might be able to help...I have a ton of documentation that came with a
H89.
You can borrow any manuals you might need.
Thanks,
Chandra
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gene Buckle
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:41 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: H-89....
I'm going to be getting an H89 in the next week or so, and I'm considering
putting all the manuals online as PDF files. Is there any interest in
this? All the searching I've done on the net for H-8/11/88/89 info has
turned up a pitiful lack of info. If you've got anything you'd like to
see on a dedicated Heathkit computer page, please let me know.
g.
27 Oct
27 Oct
5:19 a.m.
>Well, I personaly realy like to get my hands on
soopered machines.
>A ZX81 in Wonderbra configuration (harddrive, 512K Mem, etc. pp)
>_is_ a real highlight. Of course preservation of 'pure' machines
>is a must (and keeping the spirit in preserving average work
>configuration), but such ubercomputer beasts (like a C64 with
>more drillholes for switches than a 1920 switchboard and a
>second C64 case just for add on boards, or a Spectrum in C=610
>case, or an Atari Lighthouse) are true monuments what dedication
>ment during the haydays of micro computing. If I had to decide
>between lets say a ZX81 with hard drive and an Apple one, if may
>be a tough one.
Then you've got the S-100 bus systems of the
mid-late 70's
where nearly every single one of them was modified to some extent or
another just due to the fact that it was something that needed to be
done to get any kind of functionality out of it. Both my homebuilt
S-100 machine and my SWTPc 6809 were added to over the years.
Sometimes 'hot rodding' was just the nature of the beast and an
everyday part of being a computer hobbyist at the time. I don't feel
that period modifications are any less valid a configuration than a
fresh factory machine and sometimes even more desirable because of
how unique they can be.
well, basicly yes - only I wouldn't considere most S100 systems,
even when modified later, in this category. They are supposed to
be expanded. Like a PC with more or less add on boards isn't very
intrigueing. When stretching the similarities, a S100 is more
like a kit car - interesting but nothing unique - and not hot
rodded - otherwise even my actual Athlon system would be a hod
rod, since I did only buy the parts (as always).
It isn't so much about custom configurated, but rather custom
made - there is no ZX 81 HD controller at all, it has to be done
by some very odd kind of high tech geek - you invest more money
and time to get a sub standard solution for a way outdated system
than you may have to pay for something new, several times better.
Gruss
H.
P.S.: I'm not argueing about your systems - they may still
qualitfy by my criterias.
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VCF Europa 2.0 am 28./29. April 2001 in Muenchen
http://www.vintage.org/vcfe
http://www.homecomputer.de/vcfe
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