2 Sep
2015
2 Sep
'15
2:22 p.m.
Since the capacity of 2x RF31 and 1x RF71 disks is a little bit low
for VMS with some compilersi (~400MB every disk), I've looked for a bigger
disk, at least for the sytem itself. (I've already relocated the pagefile
to the 2nd disk).
Ok, there are RF73 available at ebay US for $100, but addiotional $50 and more
for shipping is to much, I have to pay additional 19% of customs VAT on top
of the sum from disk+shipping.. Maybe there are people that think that this
prices are ok, but not me, not for an old 2GB disk for an computer with
that power consumtion and that computing "power"..
In the case there is someone in europe that want to give away such a disk
for an acceptable price, please mail me..
Luckily an old friend of mine found 2 Disks in his stock, another RF31 (not
tried jet) and an RF73.
I've changed now the working but still almost empty RF71 in my VAX4000-300
against that RF73 disk and tried to integrate it to the system.
It starts with all LEDs on (as the other do), begins to rattle a little
with the head assembly (as the others do) but stops then and begins to
reposition somewhere in 0.5s cycles. It never finishes doing that, it is
not going to ready. The ready led is blinking for a short time after every
0,5s cycle. I've tried to talk with the disk using the KA670 Firmware
with set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 2, PARAMS is working and STATUS is responding,
the displayed last failure was 3304(X) and I don't know what that could be..
All other commands do work, but they are aborted since the disk is busy.
The available RF72DUG8 gives the hint that the error codes are listed in
the service manuals, but it seems that those manuals aren't available
somewhere.
What could the error be? Is the disk dead?
Regards,
Holm
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4 Sep
4 Sep
2:01 a.m.
Holm Tiffe wrote:
Since the capacity of 2x RF31 and 1x RF71 disks is a
little bit low
for VMS with some compilersi (~400MB every disk), I've looked for a bigger
disk, at least for the sytem itself. (I've already relocated the pagefile
to the 2nd disk).
Ok, there are RF73 available at ebay US for $100, but addiotional $50 and more
for shipping is to much, I have to pay additional 19% of customs VAT on top
of the sum from disk+shipping.. Maybe there are people that think that this
prices are ok, but not me, not for an old 2GB disk for an computer with
that power consumtion and that computing "power"..
In the case there is someone in europe that want to give away such a disk
for an acceptable price, please mail me..
Luckily an old friend of mine found 2 Disks in his stock, another RF31 (not
tried jet) and an RF73.
I've changed now the working but still almost empty RF71 in my VAX4000-300
against that RF73 disk and tried to integrate it to the system.
It starts with all LEDs on (as the other do), begins to rattle a little
with the head assembly (as the others do) but stops then and begins to
reposition somewhere in 0.5s cycles. It never finishes doing that, it is
not going to ready. The ready led is blinking for a short time after every
0,5s cycle. I've tried to talk with the disk using the KA670 Firmware
with set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 2, PARAMS is working and STATUS is responding,
the displayed last failure was 3304(X) and I don't know what that could be..
All other commands do work, but they are aborted since the disk is busy.
The available RF72DUG8 gives the hint that the error codes are listed in
the service manuals, but it seems that those manuals aren't available
somewhere.
What could the error be? Is the disk dead?
Regards,
Holm
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Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
Holm
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2:50 a.m.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever seen
a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
Sorry I can't help. I own no DSSI gear, never had to fix it, and from
your well-written description of the problem, clearly know far less
than you already do. At work, we had SDI disks, and non-DEC SCSI, but
never any DSSI. At the time, the newer MicroVAXen cost more than we
had to spend on hardware, so I missed out on an entire generation of
storage.
Hopefully someone can help, but it's not me.
-ethan
4:16 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan
Dicks
Sent: 04 September 2015 07:51
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Problem with RF73 DSSI disk
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
I think I have DSSI disk (Micro VAX II) but know less than you. Have you tried the DECTEC
list
http://dectec.info/
Its quiet, but the answers one gets can be good..
Dave
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever
seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
Sorry I can't help. I own no DSSI gear, never had
to fix it, and from your well-
written description of the problem, clearly know far less than you already do.
At work, we had SDI disks, and non-DEC SCSI, but never any DSSI. At the
time, the newer MicroVAXen cost more than we had to spend on hardware,
so I missed out on an entire generation of storage.
Hopefully someone can help, but it's not me.
-ethan
4:49 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave G4UGM [mailto:dave.g4ugm at gmail.com]
Sent: 04 September 2015 09:16
To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: RE: Problem with RF73 DSSI disk
Sorry to twitter, and apologies if you have already been there, but the comp.os.vms usenet
group which is mirrored here
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.os.vms
has some recent discussion on DSSI disk problems....
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan
Dicks
Sent: 04 September 2015 07:51
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Problem with RF73 DSSI disk
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:01 AM, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
I think I have DSSI disk (Micro VAX II) but know less than you. Have you tried
the DECTEC list
http://dectec.info/
Its quiet, but the answers one gets can be good..
Dave
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever
seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
5:09 a.m.
Holm Tiffe wrote:
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever seen a DSSI disk...
I have a MicroVAX 4000/100A with two DSSI disks that slowly died one after the
other, not long after I got it. From the errors they logged and the clunking
and rattling noises they started making, it seems clear they have media issues
similar to a number of RZ26 SCSI disks that I have also had problems with.
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
I enquired about finding replacements for mine on the list some time ago but
there wasn't much response either. I think it is more likely that there is
not much interest or knowledge of DSSI on the list, not that people are
withholding information for some reason.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
12:52 p.m.
On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever seen
a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to help, do you? This message
really sends the wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When you are not getting help,
just accept that people either cannot help, or do not have time to help.
No point in sulking or posting provoking messages to try and get more
results.
As for the actual question, I can't help. I know a little bit about
DSSI, and have used a disk or three over the years, but I have never
seen any proper documentation for them anywhere, and have not really
heard of any people possessing that information either, so I am not at
all surprised by the lack of replies.
Now, please act a little more adult, or I'll happily put you in my kill
file.
Johnny
1:25 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at update.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Right on. As a matter of fact, instead of getting
*more* results, alienating people with rude and
sarcastic comments just might persuade someone who
could/would have helped you the next time to not
bother taking the time...
m
Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has
ever seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to
help, do you? This message really sends the
wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When
you are not getting help, just accept that
people either cannot help, or do not have time
to help. No point in sulking or posting
provoking messages to try and get more results.
2:31 p.m.
Mike Stein wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at update.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
...but I think all that is much better than silence.
Regards,
Holm
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On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Right on. As a matter of fact, instead of getting
*more* results, alienating people with rude and
sarcastic comments just might persuade someone who
could/would have helped you the next time to not
bother taking the time...
m Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has
ever seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to
help, do you? This message really sends the
wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When
you are not getting help, just accept that
people either cannot help, or do not have time
to help. No point in sulking or posting
provoking messages to try and get more results.
5:33 p.m.
On 2015-09-04 20:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Mike Stein wrote:
Really? Getting people to put you in their kill file is going to make
things even more silent for you...
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at update.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
...but I think all that is much better than silence. On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Right on. As a matter of fact, instead of getting
*more* results, alienating people with rude and
sarcastic comments just might persuade someone who
could/would have helped you the next time to not
bother taking the time...
m Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has
ever seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to
help, do you? This message really sends the
wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When
you are not getting help, just accept that
people either cannot help, or do not have time
to help. No point in sulking or posting
provoking messages to try and get more results.
6:31 p.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-09-04 20:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all.
Did you mean that it is better for me that people that doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my first heart attac last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Let me live the rest of my time like a child playing with old computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
Regards,
Holm
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Mike Stein wrote:
Really? Getting people to put you in their kill file is going to make
things even more silent for you...
Johnny ----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at update.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
...but I think all that is much better than silence. On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
>Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has
>ever seen a DSSI disk...
>
>Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to
help, do you? This message really sends the
wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When
you are not getting help, just accept that
people either cannot help, or do not have time
to help. No point in sulking or posting
provoking messages to try and get more results.
Right on. As a matter of fact, instead of getting
*more* results, alienating people with rude and
sarcastic comments just might persuade someone who
could/would have helped you the next time to not
bother taking the time...
m
6:41 p.m.
On 2015-09-05 00:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yes. And what is your problem with that? Noone answered, so live with it.
On 2015-09-04 20:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all. Mike Stein wrote:
Really? Getting people to put you in their kill file is going to make
things even more silent for you...
Johnny ----- Original Message -----
From: "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at update.uu.se>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 12:52 PM
> On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
>
>> Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has
>> ever seen a DSSI disk...
>>
>> Thanks to all that haven't answered.
>
> You do understand that noone is *required* to
> help, do you? This message really sends the
> wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
>
> People try to help, as best as they can. When
> you are not getting help, just accept that
> people either cannot help, or do not have time
> to help. No point in sulking or posting
> provoking messages to try and get more results.
Right on. As a matter of fact, instead of getting
*more* results, alienating people with rude and
sarcastic comments just might persuade someone who
could/would have helped you the next time to not
bother taking the time...
m
...but I think all that is much better than silence. Did you mean that it is better for me that people that
doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
What the hell? There is no indication that people can't read your
messages. You have gotten plenty of answers in the past. In addition,
you can yourself also see that your messages reached the list.
If you do not get an answer, it is because people either do not have an
answer, or else do not want to answer.
Trying to offend them by being sarcastic will most likely not get you
any more answers. However, it do show, to others reading, that you are
pretty much expecting and demanding that people respond to your posts.
Which is a rather child-like behavior. We are not here to satisfy your
needs.
Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my first
heart attac last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Who knows how much time they have left. Does that make it ok to offend
anyone else who is not responding to your every demand?
I think not. You are free to disagree, but in that case I will
definitely ignore you.
Let me live the rest of my time like a child playing
with old computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care enough
to actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me
as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not have
to read it.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
7:03 p.m.
On 9/4/2015 5:41 PM, Johnny Billquist
wrote:
On 2015-09-05 00:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Might I respectfully just quip here,
that different countries have different
culture re what is offensive. His
remarks did not bother me because they
were "typically German." Maybe me
saying that will offend Holm... lol...
but culture does play a large part here.
I think the best policy is to let as
much as possible "slide" here in the
online world... as it's just way, way
too easy to either take things the wrong
way, or much more heavily than intended,
or whatever.
Just my 1 cent.
- John
Let me live the rest of my time like
a child playing with old computers,
that's exactly why we are here;
nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help,
trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there
are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start
offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to
change them, nor do I care enough to
actually waste my time doing that. My
time is precious enough to me as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just
ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair
people are to them, and I do not have
to read it.
Johnny
7:13 p.m.
I took it as a cry of desperation, nor sure what was intended, but that's
how it came across to me...
Dave wade
On Sep 5, 2015 12:03 AM, "js at cimmeri.com" <js at cimmeri.com> wrote:
On 9/4/2015 5:41 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-09-05 00:31, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Let me live the rest of my time like a child playing with old computers,
Might I respectfully just quip here, that different countries have
different culture re what is offensive. His remarks did not bother me
because they were "typically German." Maybe me saying that will offend
Holm... lol... but culture does play a large part here.
I think the best policy is to let as much as possible "slide" here in the
online world... as it's just way, way too easy to either take things the
wrong way, or much more heavily than intended, or whatever.
Just my 1 cent.
- John
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else
matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care enough to
actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me as it
is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not have to
read it.
Johnny
7:52 p.m.
John wrote....
----
Might I respectfully just quip here,
that different countries have different
culture re what is offensive. [snip]
I think the best policy is to let as
much as possible "slide" here in the
online world.
----
VERY well put.
About 1% of the time I post a question here, I get silence - even though I know there are
people here that know the answer. We've all got day jobs or other things such that
many of us can't respond sometimes for a week or more.
About 99% of the time, I get an exceedingly informative answer with lots of gold nuggets
of info.
I very happily accept the former to get the latter ;)
While I understand the ire the initial comment might inspire... I'm sure someone with
good input will chime in at some point. Patience :)
J
5 Sep
5 Sep
6:40 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, js at cimmeri.com wrote:
culture re what is offensive. His remarks did not
bother me because they
were "typically German." Maybe me saying that will offend Holm... lol...
Hey, they weren't "typically German"... we don't want to make
generalizations, do we?
I think the best policy is to let as much as possible
"slide" here in the
online world... as it's just way, way too easy to either take things the
wrong way, or much more heavily than intended, or whatever.
I absolutely agree.
Christian
6:53 a.m.
On 2015-09-05 12:40, Christian Corti wrote:
I agree in general, but there are limits. And for me, they were passed
in the follow on discussions.
But hey. That's not a problem for me. Means I spend less time trying to
find information and help someone. Means I have more time for other
people or my own projects and issues.
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, js at cimmeri.com wrote:
I agree. And I'm Swedish myself, but living in Switzerland. And
traveling a fair amount. I prefer to not make generalizations based on
ethnicity or background. If people freely and voluntary spend their time
helping, I also try not to be sarcastic.
culture re what is offensive. His remarks did
not bother me because
they were "typically German." Maybe me saying that will offend
Holm... lol...
Hey, they weren't "typically German"... we don't want to make
generalizations, do we? I think the
best policy is to let as much as possible "slide" here in
the online world... as it's just way, way too easy to either take
things the wrong way, or much more heavily than intended, or whatever.
I absolutely agree.
11:46 a.m.
On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, js at cimmeri.com wrote:
culture re what is offensive. His
remarks did not bother me because
they were "typically German." Maybe
me saying that will offend Holm...
lol...
On 9/5/2015 5:40 AM, Christian Corti
wrote:
Hey, they weren't "typically
German"... we don't want to make
generalizations, do we?
[Johnny B wrote:]
I agree. And I'm Swedish myself, but
living in Switzerland. And traveling a
fair amount. I prefer to not make
generalizations based on ethnicity or
background. If people freely and
voluntary spend their time
helping, I also try not to be sarcastic.
Christian
I knew right after I sent it that
the Politically Correct police would
soon show up on that remark of mine.. ;-)
What I meant to say, is that the
*manner* in which he spoke -- and not
the exact words themselves -- in my very
limited but still partial experience of
the wonderful German people (I'm not
being sarcastic), and having attended a
German school from grades 4-8, that the
manner of speaking was *typical* of
German culture -- in this case, meaning
a bit blunt, a bit sarcastic, and a bit
impatient.
Like it or not, different countries
have differing styles re communication.
If you've ever at least been to France
or Belgium and spoken with enough people
to form an impression, you can't deny
this reality. I'm not passing a
judgement here.. it's neither good nor
bad.. it just is what it is.. and I
think it quite lovely.
Like it or not, I stand by this
opinion. :-)
- John.
3 a.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
[..]
Johnny, If you think we should fight over the same thing every time,
please continue. This is exactly the same topic as in the port-vax list
2 or 3 years before. Otherwise (using your words): live with it.
What I have done?
I was sarcastic, that was all.
There where no insulting words in my mail.
What I have reached with that?
Besides of your opinion about my childishness, there where other answers
that where at least interresting. (Thanks to Dave and Richard at this point,
I've subscribed comp.os.vms in the meantime but think I meet the same
people there)
"When people start offending me.." ... read was I wrote and read again
what you wrote.
"I am obviously not going to change them" .. but this is exactly what you
trying to do here.
Sorry for being "obnoxious":
My Answer to your answer in this thread was "Yes", accepting what our
wrote to me, now the thing was done for me. I knew why I only wrote that.
So from my point of view you don't wanted the discussion to be completed,
so that seems to be your hobby. You are looking a little bit like an
choleric from here, may be I'm the only one that feels like this.
Besides of that I know that you are an clever fellow and you trying to
help if you can. So if that aren't your shoes, why the heck your trying
to wear them?
About the killfile:
I think I'm a "strong enough personality" so I don't think the computer
should decide for me if I should read something or not. On the other side
I'm trying to help people if I can, even if the pissed on my shoes in the
past and sometimes enemies are turning into friends over time. No, don't
need no killfile on my side. Don't get me wrong, that's no technical
problem this time, we all get tons of spam mails and most of us have
mechanisms to prevent spam from appearing in the inbox. I'm a small hosting
company of my own and the usual mechanisms for that are installed an working,
no problem to add folks there but I prefer deciding myself.
Back to the topic:
I think it where much more helpful to answer things like "Sorry don't know,
never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all, leaving
the man that looks for help alone. Maybe that's only my point of view,
maybe not.
about my intention: When I ask for help or opinions, I need that help
or opinion, since I can't find a way tho clear the problem on my own.
So Dave Wade isn't totally wrong with that what he thinks about my post.
Maybe not "a cry of desperation" maybe more "helllo...is there anyone
out there..?"
..
Now, after that many text about "Role of Meaning" is it just me that
thinks that the time where better to be used for clearing technical
problems?
Regards,
Holm
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He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all.
Yes. And what is your problem with that? Noone answered, so live with it.
Did you mean that it is better for me that people
that doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
What the hell? There is no indication that people can't read your
messages. You have gotten plenty of answers in the past. In addition,
you can yourself also see that your messages reached the list.
If you do not get an answer, it is because people either do not have an
answer, or else do not want to answer.
Trying to offend them by being sarcastic will most likely not get you
any more answers. However, it do show, to others reading, that you are
pretty much expecting and demanding that people respond to your posts.
Which is a rather child-like behavior. We are not here to satisfy your
needs. Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my
first heart attac last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Who knows how much time they have left. Does that make it ok to offend
anyone else who is not responding to your every demand?
I think not. You are free to disagree, but in that case I will
definitely ignore you. Let me live the rest of my time like a child
playing with old computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care enough
to actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me
as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not have
to read it.
Johnny
--
6:10 a.m.
Holm. You may call it whatever you want.
I found your comments insulting. And following your advice I'll not
ignore you. Have fun.
Johnny
On 2015-09-05 09:00, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
[..]
Johnny, If you think we should fight over the same thing every time,
please continue. This is exactly the same topic as in the port-vax list
2 or 3 years before. Otherwise (using your words): live with it.
What I have done?
I was sarcastic, that was all.
There where no insulting words in my mail.
What I have reached with that?
Besides of your opinion about my childishness, there where other answers
that where at least interresting. (Thanks to Dave and Richard at this point,
I've subscribed comp.os.vms in the meantime but think I meet the same
people there)
"When people start offending me.." ... read was I wrote and read again
what you wrote.
"I am obviously not going to change them" .. but this is exactly what you
trying to do here.
Sorry for being "obnoxious":
My Answer to your answer in this thread was "Yes", accepting what our
wrote to me, now the thing was done for me. I knew why I only wrote that.
So from my point of view you don't wanted the discussion to be completed,
so that seems to be your hobby. You are looking a little bit like an
choleric from here, may be I'm the only one that feels like this.
Besides of that I know that you are an clever fellow and you trying to
help if you can. So if that aren't your shoes, why the heck your trying
to wear them?
About the killfile:
I think I'm a "strong enough personality" so I don't think the
computer
should decide for me if I should read something or not. On the other side
I'm trying to help people if I can, even if the pissed on my shoes in the
past and sometimes enemies are turning into friends over time. No, don't
need no killfile on my side. Don't get me wrong, that's no technical
problem this time, we all get tons of spam mails and most of us have
mechanisms to prevent spam from appearing in the inbox. I'm a small hosting
company of my own and the usual mechanisms for that are installed an working,
no problem to add folks there but I prefer deciding myself.
Back to the topic:
I think it where much more helpful to answer things like "Sorry don't know,
never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all, leaving
the man that looks for help alone. Maybe that's only my point of view,
maybe not.
about my intention: When I ask for help or opinions, I need that help
or opinion, since I can't find a way tho clear the problem on my own.
So Dave Wade isn't totally wrong with that what he thinks about my post.
Maybe not "a cry of desperation" maybe more "helllo...is there anyone
out there..?"
..
Now, after that many text about "Role of Meaning" is it just me that
thinks that the time where better to be used for clearing technical
problems?
Regards,
Holm
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all.
Yes. And what is your problem with that? Noone answered, so live with it.
Did you mean that it is better for me that people
that doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
What the hell? There is no indication that people can't read your
messages. You have gotten plenty of answers in the past. In addition,
you can yourself also see that your messages reached the list.
If you do not get an answer, it is because people either do not have an
answer, or else do not want to answer.
Trying to offend them by being sarcastic will most likely not get you
any more answers. However, it do show, to others reading, that you are
pretty much expecting and demanding that people respond to your posts.
Which is a rather child-like behavior. We are not here to satisfy your
needs. Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my
first heart attac last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Who knows how much time they have left. Does that make it ok to offend
anyone else who is not responding to your every demand?
I think not. You are free to disagree, but in that case I will
definitely ignore you. Let me live the rest of my time like a child
playing with old computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care enough
to actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me
as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not have
to read it.
Johnny
--
6:11 a.m.
On 2015-09-05 12:10, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Holm. You may call it whatever you want.
I found your comments insulting. And following your advice I'll not
ignore you. Have fun.
s/not/now/
Johnny
Johnny
On 2015-09-05 09:00, Holm Tiffe wrote:
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Johnny Billquist wrote:
[..]
Johnny, If you think we should fight over the same thing every time,
please continue. This is exactly the same topic as in the port-vax list
2 or 3 years before. Otherwise (using your words): live with it.
What I have done?
I was sarcastic, that was all.
There where no insulting words in my mail.
What I have reached with that?
Besides of your opinion about my childishness, there where other answers
that where at least interresting. (Thanks to Dave and Richard at this
point,
I've subscribed comp.os.vms in the meantime but think I meet the same
people there)
"When people start offending me.." ... read was I wrote and read again
what you wrote.
"I am obviously not going to change them" .. but this is exactly what you
trying to do here.
Sorry for being "obnoxious":
My Answer to your answer in this thread was "Yes", accepting what our
wrote to me, now the thing was done for me. I knew why I only wrote
that.
So from my point of view you don't wanted the discussion to be completed,
so that seems to be your hobby. You are looking a little bit like an
choleric from here, may be I'm the only one that feels like this.
Besides of that I know that you are an clever fellow and you trying to
help if you can. So if that aren't your shoes, why the heck your trying
to wear them?
About the killfile:
I think I'm a "strong enough personality" so I don't think the
computer
should decide for me if I should read something or not. On the other side
I'm trying to help people if I can, even if the pissed on my shoes in the
past and sometimes enemies are turning into friends over time. No, don't
need no killfile on my side. Don't get me wrong, that's no technical
problem this time, we all get tons of spam mails and most of us have
mechanisms to prevent spam from appearing in the inbox. I'm a small
hosting
company of my own and the usual mechanisms for that are installed an
working,
no problem to add folks there but I prefer deciding myself.
Back to the topic:
I think it where much more helpful to answer things like "Sorry don't
know,
never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all, leaving
the man that looks for help alone. Maybe that's only my point of view,
maybe not.
about my intention: When I ask for help or opinions, I need that help
or opinion, since I can't find a way tho clear the problem on my own.
So Dave Wade isn't totally wrong with that what he thinks about my post.
Maybe not "a cry of desperation" maybe more "helllo...is there anyone
out there..?"
..
Now, after that many text about "Role of Meaning" is it just me that
thinks that the time where better to be used for clearing technical
problems?
Regards,
Holm
He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all.
Yes. And what is your problem with that? Noone answered, so live with
it.
Did you mean that it is better for me that people
that doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
What the hell? There is no indication that people can't read your
messages. You have gotten plenty of answers in the past. In addition,
you can yourself also see that your messages reached the list.
If you do not get an answer, it is because people either do not have an
answer, or else do not want to answer.
Trying to offend them by being sarcastic will most likely not get you
any more answers. However, it do show, to others reading, that you are
pretty much expecting and demanding that people respond to your posts.
Which is a rather child-like behavior. We are not here to satisfy your
needs. Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my
first heart attac last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Who knows how much time they have left. Does that make it ok to offend
anyone else who is not responding to your every demand?
I think not. You are free to disagree, but in that case I will
definitely ignore you. Let me live the rest of my time like a child
playing with old
computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care enough
to actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me
as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not have
to read it.
Johnny
--
6 Sep
6 Sep
4:39 a.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-09-05 12:10, Johnny Billquist wrote:
..my advice?
You don't want to ask what I think now.. specially to your hint do not to
be childish...
Regards,
Holm
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Holm. You may call it whatever you want.
I found your comments insulting. And following your advice I'll not
ignore you. Have fun.
s/not/now/
Johnny
>
5 Sep
5 Sep
8:54 a.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Holm. You may call it whatever you want.
I found your comments insulting.
..but that was never my intention.
And following your advice I'll not
ignore you. Have fun.
Johnny
:-)
German saying "Nichts wird so hei? gegessen wie es gekocht wird"
Don't know if this is correct enghlish, nor if it's known:
"Nothing gets eaten as hot as it gets cooked"
Johnny I have a wish in exchange for your wish that I should
act more adult: Try to keep cool.
I know that I have sharp edges, but for sure I don't want to hurt
someone..
Regards,
Holm
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6 Sep
6 Sep
9:21 p.m.
How about all of you shut the hell up, drop this, and talk
computers, okay?
On 09/05/2015 06:10 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Holm. You may call it whatever you want.
I found your comments insulting. And following your advice I'll not
ignore you. Have fun.
Johnny
On 2015-09-05 09:00, Holm Tiffe wrote:
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Registered Linux user number 464583
"Computers have lots of memory but no imagination."
"The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back."
- from some guy on the internet.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
[..]
Johnny, If you think we should fight over the same thing every time,
please continue. This is exactly the same topic as in the port-vax list
2 or 3 years before. Otherwise (using your words): live with it.
What I have done?
I was sarcastic, that was all.
There where no insulting words in my mail.
What I have reached with that?
Besides of your opinion about my childishness, there where other answers
that where at least interresting. (Thanks to Dave and Richard at this
point,
I've subscribed comp.os.vms in the meantime but think I meet the same
people there)
"When people start offending me.." ... read was I wrote and read again
what you wrote.
"I am obviously not going to change them" .. but this is exactly what
you
trying to do here.
Sorry for being "obnoxious":
My Answer to your answer in this thread was "Yes", accepting what our
wrote to me, now the thing was done for me. I knew why I only wrote
that.
So from my point of view you don't wanted the discussion to be
completed,
so that seems to be your hobby. You are looking a little bit like an
choleric from here, may be I'm the only one that feels like this.
Besides of that I know that you are an clever fellow and you trying to
help if you can. So if that aren't your shoes, why the heck your trying
to wear them?
About the killfile:
I think I'm a "strong enough personality" so I don't think the
computer
should decide for me if I should read something or not. On the other
side
I'm trying to help people if I can, even if the pissed on my shoes in
the
past and sometimes enemies are turning into friends over time. No, don't
need no killfile on my side. Don't get me wrong, that's no technical
problem this time, we all get tons of spam mails and most of us have
mechanisms to prevent spam from appearing in the inbox. I'm a small
hosting
company of my own and the usual mechanisms for that are installed an
working,
no problem to add folks there but I prefer deciding myself.
Back to the topic:
I think it where much more helpful to answer things like "Sorry don't
know,
never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all, leaving
the man that looks for help alone. Maybe that's only my point of view,
maybe not.
about my intention: When I ask for help or opinions, I need that help
or opinion, since I can't find a way tho clear the problem on my own.
So Dave Wade isn't totally wrong with that what he thinks about my post.
Maybe not "a cry of desperation" maybe more "helllo...is there anyone
out there..?"
..
Now, after that many text about "Role of Meaning" is it just me that
thinks that the time where better to be used for clearing technical
problems?
Regards,
Holm
He Johnny, clam down.
There was _NO_ Answer at all.
Yes. And what is your problem with that? Noone answered, so live
with it.
Did you mean that it is better for me that people
that doesn't
answer me additionaly can't read my messages?
Does this make any difference?
What the hell? There is no indication that people can't read your
messages. You have gotten plenty of answers in the past. In addition,
you can yourself also see that your messages reached the list.
If you do not get an answer, it is because people either do not have an
answer, or else do not want to answer.
Trying to offend them by being sarcastic will most likely not get you
any more answers. However, it do show, to others reading, that you are
pretty much expecting and demanding that people respond to your posts.
Which is a rather child-like behavior. We are not here to satisfy your
needs. Im 52 years old (as you know) and already had my
first heart attac
last
year so don't tell me that I sould behave more adult.
Possibly I don't have so much time left that I can wait any time.
Who knows how much time they have left. Does that make it ok to offend
anyone else who is not responding to your every demand?
I think not. You are free to disagree, but in that case I will
definitely ignore you. Let me live the rest of my time like a child
playing with old
computers,
that's exactly why we are here; nothing else matters.
I know that people trying to help, trust me, I'm doing that in other,
cases with other people too and there are other people that pissing me
off. But: I don't have a killfile.
I do have a killfile. If people start offending me, or being generally
obnoxious, I am obviously not going to change them, nor do I care
enough
to actually waste my time doing that. My time is precious enough to me
as it is.
So the obvious solution is to just ignore them from that point on. They
can go on ranting about how unfair people are to them, and I do not
have
to read it.
Johnny
--
7 Sep
7 Sep
2:19 a.m.
Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
How about all of you shut the hell up, drop this,
and talk
computers, okay?
>>..
>>Now, after that many text about "Role of Meaning" is it just me that
>>thinks that the time where better to be used for clearing technical
>>problems?
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Holm
>>
Hmm....
Regards,
Holm
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5 Sep
5 Sep
9:02 a.m.
I think it where much more helpful to answer things
like "Sorry don't
know, never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all,
leaving the man that looks for help alone.
As a bystander, I would much rather see silence than some forty or
fifty "sorry, don't know anything about that" responses flooding the
list after every request for help.
Or, to put it another way, do _you_ post "sorry, I can't help"
responses to every post asking for help you can't help with? I
certainly don't recall seeing you do so; have I just missed something?
As for the original topic - I barely know the DSSI _name_; I'm not sure
I've ever even seen a DSSI disk and I certainly am not competent to
help with the issue you posted about.
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12:13 p.m.
On 9/5/2015 8:02 AM, Mouse wrote:
I couldn't agree more, Mouse! lol.
Holm, dude! I'm not speaking for
others, of course, but it is bothersome
*to me* when someone posts to this list
(or any other helpful list) with an air
of entitlement and expectation that
people are going to *immediately*
provide *insane amounts* of spot-on
support for whatever their problem is
(no matter how esoteric), or even
respond at all. All responses are
voluntary -- and we should all be
gracious and thankful for *anything we
get*.. and certainly not disparage the
list if we get nothing.
Nothing is OWED to ANYONE.
Yet, in this regard, there are worse
transgressions than Holm's faux pas.
Some people seem to believe that these
lists are staffed with paid technicians;
they exert almost no effort in
describing their system or situation or
question ("How do I boot my S-100
system?"), yet they seem to expect pages
written back; and even more remarkably,
some even give little to no thanks when
it's all done.
It's a testament to the enormous
generosity and kindness of many on this
list and others, that people such as
what I just described are uncritically
catered to.
- John
I think it
where much more helpful to answer things like "Sorry don't
know, never had todo with that", vs. simply saying nothing at all,
leaving the man that looks for help alone.
As a bystander, I would much rather see
silence than some forty or
fifty "sorry, don't know anything about that" responses flooding the
list after every request for help. 
12:20 p.m.
As a
bystander, I would much rather see silence than some forty or
fifty "sorry, don't know anything about that" responses flooding the
list after every request for help.
I couldn't agree more, Mouse! lol. Holm, dude! I'm not speaking for
others, of course, but it is bothersome
*to me* when someone posts to this list
(or any other helpful list) with an air
of entitlement and expectation that
people are going to *immediately*
provide *insane amounts* of spot-on
support for whatever their problem is
(no matter how esoteric), or even
respond at all. All responses are
voluntary -- and we should all be
gracious and thankful for *anything we
get*.. and certainly not disparage the
list if we get nothing.
There is one, and only one, way of ensuring I give a reply. And that is to
pay my consultancy rates (which are not cheap!). I suspect the same applies
to others here.
If I agree to do a piece of work for you, and you pay me, then of course I will
do it to the best of my ability. That is what you are paying for. But note also
that I have to agree to do it. In this case I would not do so. Not for any
personal reasons but because I know nothing about DSSI disks or the RF73,
I have no manuals on them, I have no way of getting such manuals, My VAX
has an R80 drive, my PDP11s have RK05s, RK07s and RL's. Ask about those and
I might be able to help.
Nothing is OWED to ANYONE.
My experience of this list is that people will go out of their way to help each
other. But only if they can.
I think a reasonable conclusion is that nobody has any service information on the
RF73. It's a pity, and I would love to be proved wrong, but...
-tony
5:24 p.m.
tony duell wrote:
\begin{aolmode}
Me too
\end{aolmode}
Nobody here knows everything, and for everyone (or even all the regulars) to
say 'I don't know' every time is going to make the list unusable fast.
Is there someone left that has to say something me that isn't helpful
but annoying to me?
If yes, please use this thread stub here.
My consulting rates are approx 80 Euros/hour + VAT, may be cheap, but I give me
answers for free exactly here.
Regards,
Holm
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As a bystander, I would much rather see silence than
some forty or
fifty "sorry, don't know anything about that" responses flooding the
list after every request for help.
I couldn't agree more, Mouse! lol. Holm, dude! I'm not speaking for
others, of course, but it is bothersome
*to me* when someone posts to this list
(or any other helpful list) with an air
of entitlement and expectation that
people are going to *immediately*
provide *insane amounts* of spot-on
support for whatever their problem is
(no matter how esoteric), or even
respond at all. All responses are
voluntary -- and we should all be
gracious and thankful for *anything we
get*.. and certainly not disparage the
list if we get nothing.
There is one, and only one, way of ensuring I give a reply. And that is to
pay my consultancy rates (which are not cheap!). I suspect the same applies
to others here.
If I agree to do a piece of work for you, and you pay me, then of course I will
do it to the best of my ability. That is what you are paying for. But note also
that I have to agree to do it. In this case I would not do so. Not for any
personal reasons but because I know nothing about DSSI disks or the RF73,
I have no manuals on them, I have no way of getting such manuals, My VAX
has an R80 drive, my PDP11s have RK05s, RK07s and RL's. Ask about those and
I might be able to help.
Nothing is OWED to ANYONE.
My experience of this list is that people will go out of their way to help each
other. But only if they can.
I think a reasonable conclusion is that nobody has any service information on the
RF73. It's a pity, and I would love to be proved wrong, but...
-tony
5:25 p.m.
Jay West wrote:
This thread has migrated into the realm of
"should be handled off-list".
J
agree..
Regards,
Holm
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4 Sep
4 Sep
2:30 p.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-09-04 08:01, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Yes.
Regards,
Holm
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Hmm.. I see, I must be the only one that has ever
seen a DSSI disk...
Thanks to all that haven't answered.
You do understand that noone is *required* to help, do you? This message
really sends the wrong impression, and rubs me the wrong way...
People try to help, as best as they can. When you are not getting help,
just accept that people either cannot help, or do not have time to help.
No point in sulking or posting provoking messages to try and get more
results.
As for the actual question, I can't help. I know a little bit about
DSSI, and have used a disk or three over the years, but I have never
seen any proper documentation for them anywhere, and have not really
heard of any people possessing that information either, so I am not at
all surprised by the lack of replies.
Now, please act a little more adult, or I'll happily put you in my kill
file.
Johnny 
11:48 a.m.
On Wed, 2 Sep 2015, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Since the capacity of 2x RF31 and 1x RF71 disks is a
little bit low
for VMS with some compilersi (~400MB every disk), I've looked for a bigger
disk, at least for the sytem itself. (I've already relocated the pagefile
to the 2nd disk).
Ok, there are RF73 available at ebay US for $100, but addiotional $50 and more
for shipping is to much, I have to pay additional 19% of customs VAT on top
The RF73 is very large and heavy even by the standards of the time so
shipping would be a burden. I managed a VAX4000 Model 500 cluster which had
a couple dozen RF73s in four cabinets for ten or more years but I never
tried to fix a disk, the red light would come on and I would put another one
in, the disk management never went beyond that.
I have an RF73 sitting on a shelf, it was the last disk that I pulled and
replaced before the system was scrapped, I also used my last spare to
replace it. I replaced a lot of RF73s, they did not seem to have an
especially long life.
I was once told that Compaq had SCSI to DSSI adaptors to allow the use of
SCSI disks in old DSSI machines. The TF series of tape drives were SCSI
drives with DSSI adaptors so that is believable, that also opens up the
possibility of stripping a TF tape drive for parts and trying to build your
own SCSI to DSSI adaptor.
You can talk to the DSSI interface and discuss life with some of the DSSI
devices but it has been a long time and I have forgotten all the spells. I
have the following recipe for talking to a TF867 tape and library, perhaps
you can use this information to obtain information from the RF73:
$ set device /noavailable $1$mia0:
$ mcr sysgen
SYSGEN> load fydriver
SYSGEN> connect FYA01/noadaptor
SYSGEN> exit
$ set host /dup /server=MSCP$DUP /task=params T8TTSZ
The string T8TTSZ is the identifier that DSSI interface applied to the TF867
and, AFAIR, you can learn that by the use of the show commands when the VAX
is at the >>> boot prompt. I have only worked on Alphas for the last 20
years and I don't remember the syntax anymore and when I do remember, I mix
it up with the Alpha SRM syntax.
How many dead RF73 drives are actually dead? If the failure is not in the
HDA then you might be able to put it right.
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12:19 p.m.
I just acquired a KA640 VAX in a BA215 (thanks Josh) which has one
working RF30 and one dead RF30 with failure code 300B(X). I don't have
copies of any manuals which list the error codes. I just figure at
this point that the drive is dead and there is nothing that can be
done to try to fix it.
The working 150MB RF30 is too small for a useful VMS system although
it would be a decent size if I set up the system as a PDP-11 with an
M7554-PB KDJ11-SB CPU instead of the VAX KA640.
For VMS use I would either set up this system with a CMD Q-Bus SCSI
controller, or use an HSD10 in a BA350 to connect SCSI disks to the
DSSI controller.
>>SET HOST/DUP/DSSI 2
Starting DUP
server...
Copyright ? 1988 Digital Equipment Corporation
DRVEXR V1.1 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
DRVTST V1.1 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
HISTRY V1.0 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
ERASE V1.3 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
PARAMS V1.2 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
DIRECT V1.0 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
End of directory
Task Name? PARAMS
Copyright ? 1988 Digital Equipment Corporation
PARAMS> STATUS
Configuration:
Node R3Q0UA is an RF30 controller
Software RFX V103 built on 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
Electronics module name is ZG95105350
Unit is inoperative, error code 300B(X)
Last known unit failure code 300B(X)
In 100000 power-on hours, power has cycled 216 times
System time is 5-MAY-1989 13:21:44
1 p.m.
On 2015-09-04 18:19, Glen Slick wrote:
I just acquired a KA640 VAX in a BA215 (thanks Josh)
which has one
working RF30 and one dead RF30 with failure code 300B(X). I don't have
copies of any manuals which list the error codes. I just figure at
this point that the drive is dead and there is nothing that can be
done to try to fix it.
You could/should try and run some diagnostics. Maybe they can print out
something more intelligible than just an error code?
The working 150MB RF30 is too small for a useful VMS
system although
it would be a decent size if I set up the system as a PDP-11 with an
M7554-PB KDJ11-SB CPU instead of the VAX KA640.
Be aware that no PDP-11 system knows about DSSI. There is one Qbus DSSI
controller that looks like a simple MSCP controller, and that one should
work fine. Any that exposes more of DSSI will be a non-starter with a
PDP-11.
Johnny
1:14 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote:
Yep, I have at least a couple of M7769 KFQSA DSSI controllers which
present a standard MSCP interface to the host.
The working 150MB RF30 is too small for a useful
VMS system although
it would be a decent size if I set up the system as a PDP-11 with an
M7554-PB KDJ11-SB CPU instead of the VAX KA640.
Be aware that no PDP-11 system knows about DSSI. There is one Qbus DSSI
controller that looks like a simple MSCP controller, and that one should
work fine. Any that exposes more of DSSI will be a non-starter with a
PDP-11.
3:01 p.m.
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Such small drives was meant for paging/swap locally, not more.
This makes sense in a cluster environment where the machine boots from
network and the Users data are on the net also.
Regards,
Holm
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On 2015-09-04 18:19, Glen Slick wrote:
The can dump out several statistices and even registers from the MC68000
CPU at the time the error was occuring, that's documented, but not more.
The Users Manual says that the error codes could be found in the service
manual, but I don#?t think that there is one available for the DSSI disks
on the net.
I just acquired a KA640 VAX in a BA215 (thanks
Josh) which has one
working RF30 and one dead RF30 with failure code 300B(X). I don't have
copies of any manuals which list the error codes. I just figure at
this point that the drive is dead and there is nothing that can be
done to try to fix it.
You could/should try and run some diagnostics. Maybe they can print out
something more intelligible than just an error code? The working 150MB RF30 is too small for a useful
VMS system although
it would be a decent size if I set up the system as a PDP-11 with an
M7554-PB KDJ11-SB CPU instead of the VAX KA640.
Be aware that no PDP-11 system knows about DSSI. There is one Qbus DSSI
controller that looks like a simple MSCP controller, and that one should
work fine. Any that exposes more of DSSI will be a non-starter with a
PDP-11.
Johnny
2:57 p.m.
Glen Slick wrote:
Exactly 100000 hours?
My RF73 has the error 3304(X)...it where really interesting what this
means.
Regards,
Holm
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www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741
I just acquired a KA640 VAX in a BA215 (thanks Josh)
which has one
working RF30 and one dead RF30 with failure code 300B(X). I don't have
copies of any manuals which list the error codes. I just figure at
this point that the drive is dead and there is nothing that can be
done to try to fix it.
Ive "fixed" a dead RF31, but the error was A00something.
Is thedisk spinning up? Is the head assembly "ratteling" after the spin
up?
The working 150MB RF30 is too small for a useful VMS system although
it would be a decent size if I set up the system as a PDP-11 with an
M7554-PB KDJ11-SB CPU instead of the VAX KA640.
Hmm... does the KDJ11-SB support DSSI disks? Don't know...
For VMS use I would either set up this system with a CMD Q-Bus SCSI
controller, or use an HSD10 in a BA350 to connect SCSI disks to the
DSSI controller.
Don't have an HSD10 and it seems that none is available to a fair price in
Europe.
>>SET HOST/DUP/DSSI 2
Starting DUP
server...
Copyright ? 1988 Digital Equipment Corporation
DRVEXR V1.1 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
DRVTST V1.1 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
HISTRY V1.0 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
ERASE V1.3 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
PARAMS V1.2 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
DIRECT V1.0 D 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
End of directory
Task Name? PARAMS
Copyright ? 1988 Digital Equipment Corporation
PARAMS> STATUS
Configuration:
Node R3Q0UA is an RF30 controller
Software RFX V103 built on 5-MAY-1989 13:18:42
Electronics module name is ZG95105350
Unit is inoperative, error code 300B(X)
Last known unit failure code 300B(X)
In 100000 power-on hours, power has cycled 216 times
System time is 5-MAY-1989 13:21:44
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