On Saturday 05 August 2006 02:12 pm, Ray Arachelian wrote:
Roy J. Tellason wrote:
Speaking of big old clunky drives, I have a
couple of those around here
that I have no use for -- they're 5.25" FH, SCSI, and I'm told around a
gig each. There are some terminators and such on one that aren't on the
other, and of course the jumpering is different (but there _are_
jumpers). Anybody interested in taking these off my hands? Please?
Feel free to contact me offlist...
If you have any dead ones, they are great if you teach computer
classes. You can take'em apart and passe'm around opened, since the
parts are quite big, it's easy to point them out. :-) Either that, or
um, hang'em on a wall as art? :-) That said, they do have some rather
interesting magnets inside of them.
I have *way* too much electronic junk as it is, and was hoping that someone
else might be interested in those drives in particular...
Indeed. I am
currently using (and sending this stuff through) a
486dx2/66 for a firewall/router. And when I get done with that one for
whatever reason I have plenty more similar hardware to "use up" before I
move on to the Pentium-class hardware, of which I also have plenty.
They do have plenty of CPU power to act as NAT/firewall routers, but if
you want to run ssh, you'll find them a bit on the slow side.
I SSH _to_ that box but that's about it.
The 500Mhz PIII I replaced my P1 with now also runs a
squid proxy and an
adblocker as well.
Squid was one thing that I know of that might prompt me to upgrade a bit
sooner, as it'd cache stuff. I only have an adblock plugin in firefox but
that seems to do the job just fine.
Soon as you rely on any encryption, especially if any
part of that does a
public key exchange, 486's and P100's are very very slow. Things like
blowfish and RC40 work fine though.
I'm just starting to look into that stuff, but would that box need to
actually process any of that stuff?
The problem with storing old hardware though is that
you'll have to
replace dead capacitors as they dry up, etc. You won't have problems
with 486's, but anything over 15 years old might have issues there.
Things over 20 years of age certainly.
I have a LOT of capacitors on hand, too.
A P-III is
"an aging machine"? I guess I'm still *way* behind the times,
then... The "workstation" I'm typing this on is a Celeron 366 (though I
have a few faster boxes on hand that I really do need to get into the
picture here when I can stop *using* it long enough to do some upgrades
:-) and the "server" here is a K6-200...
Relatively to other hardware, yes. :-) Depends on what you want to do.
A low end machine can work just fine as a file server, DNS, DHCP,
router, firewall because those are I/O bound. So there's little
difference between a 486 and a PIII at DSL/cable modem speeds. Any more
and you'll need something a bit more beefy.
Database applications, maybe? That sure seems to want to soak up resources
from what I've read.
Got a couple
of P-II boards around, but no P-III -- and isn't that the
one where they introduced the processor serial number?
I think so yeah, the bastards. At least they also gave us a random
number generator too.
I mentioned the somewhat faster machines above. One's a Celeron 566, one's a
K6-500, and then there's this Athlon something-or-other that's sitting here
waiting for me to get around to firing it up. That'll probably be the
replacement for this workstation, one of those other two will probably
replace the P60 that's currently the w98 box (and become a dual-boot system
in the process), and I can stick one of the P-II boards (probably a 450) in
to the server position. If I ever get around to it.
don't intend to throw 'em out until they're all used up. :-)
Yeah, I got a few old boxen here too. I need to figure out a use for
the old P100.
I have a whole bunch of stuff in that speed range, there are at least a
couple or 3 120s, and some other stuff close to it. Socket 7, I think,
some in AT, some in ATX format (which I don't have enough cases for).
I do have a 486 and a 386 somewhere in the closet too.
Got those, a whole box of several 486 machines I pulled apart a while back
(which came in handy after I trashed a video card by hitting that option
connector with a drive power plug which has since been positioned better), a
couple of low-profile 386 boxes, a low-profile 486 box, at least a few 286
boards, and even some 8088 stuff.
I think I have some ancient 8 port serial card
somewhere that's ISA, or
perhaps I can use it with a catweasel as a data transfer machine with
5.25" floppies or such.
Got a bunch of ISA cards, too, including sound, multi-I/O, one of those
Jameco (?) dual floppy interface cards w/ BIOS (lets you put pretty much
anything into an XT-class machine), stuff to interface those real early CD
drives that aren't AT, and I forget what else.
Anybody finding that they need some bit or other of this is welcome to contact
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