From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Lisa C and Lisa FORTRAN To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <BLU139-W31C114B43954AB9926E817C9F70 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In this case, Fred's just, ok, can't say anything nice, don't say anything, he's gone to my ignore list, it's better this way... as for Valtrep, a lot just personal experience, remember I worked on it, in the 80s and before in the 70s. it's interesting even info on the old "Sentry-70" computer system can't be found online, at least, I can't find any. The Sentry-70 is as it suggests, the last model, and numbered by year. that would be 1970. It predates the Cyber/Prime system, as much as memory recalls anyhow. They had the Sentry-70 at the university I happened to be at, at the time. I started there in 1976, yeah I know, it's still late for the time periods we're talking about. However, the systems and languages had been there for a long time before I started. There are a few things that lend evidence to these statements, none of which are likely verifiable... 1. that is how Valtrep was introduced to me (ok, so it's hearsay) 2. more importantly - the structure of the language - and this is more telling. It's quite easy to identify a more primitive version of a language when compared to a more modern one. Syntax, functions, scope, definitions, everything about it. Do I have any sample code of Valtrep still around? That's a tough question. I'm going to guess "NO", however, it is certainly possible. I will definitely look. There are a few people who were at the same university with me at the same time, I can also consult with them and perhaps get some of their memories, one of them may even have sample code, if only on punch-card or whatever. It might be easier [sic] to find info on the computer "Sentry-70", but all my searches thus far have come up blank on any useful information anyhow. I'm willing to cede the argument that Valtrep was the predecessor to Fortran if anyone can offer any evidence to support that. Perhaps it's an odd claim to make without any backup, but then, I was there, so.... Valtrep was very "Fortran-ish" however it didn't have all the functions or capabilities, it was more rudimentary. Dan.