Would anyone be interested in a variant of KED which manages lines different from 24 and columns different from 80 / 132? It probably will not be ready before the end of July. For those of you who are not familiar, KED runs under RT-11 and RSTS/E and is a screen editor. I thought it would be great to have a variant of KED which handles the DEC standard widths of 80 /132 columns, but with up to 48 lines which are available on a VT420. Actually, I guess there was a bit of cheating since up to 60 lines are supported - which is what Ersatz-11 supports. I realized only recently that "terminals" which run with widths that are NOT 80 /132 characters might even be available for testing. This is a plug for Ersatz-11 which already supports terminals of any width up to 255 columns and vertical lines counts up to 60 lines. Because I have been so DECified, column widths other than 80 / 132 seemed - well almost beyond thinking about. Now that I have run a few tests with Ersatz-11, this is a challenge worth some effort. Jerome Fine

From: Chuck Guzis Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 2:11 PM You're also not really old school unless the ZORK you're running requires an MDL interpreter. Rich Alderson, Sr. Curator Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Ave S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:17 AM, Keith Monahan wrote: No, but it's my understanding that their working conditions were not unlike that of slaves chained to oars rowing a ship. I guess you could say that was a sort of mobile dungeon? I dunno about the dragon part. Maybe the supervisors?

"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: So when is your 1401 online so we can RPG on it? :) re, Sander

On 9 Jul 2012 at 17:28, Sander Reiche wrote: I'm not sure that 1401 RPG even exists online for the 1401 simulator. --Chuck

On 9 Jul 2012 at 8:41, Fred Cisin wrote: Heh, I remember that a friend worked for a Chicago-area manufacturer that had just replaced their unit-record equipment with a 360/20 setup. Every week a big thick report would be generated and bound and placed on the desk of the CEO. Whereupon, it would be placed in a closet with all of the other weekly thick reports, never to be read. A couple of years down the road, said CEO went to an IBM marketing session (something along the line of "What modern data processing can do for your company"). Of course, IBM carpet-bombed the affair with sales people and system analysts. Said CEO asked about modernizing his operation (he lied and said it was basically a paper ledger operation, but had salses and production data ready). The analyst replied that he thought his operation was the perfect candidate for some unit-record automation. When asked about a computer, the guy responded that it was probably overkill. The contract for the 360/20 was terminated the next week. My friend lost his job and went back to school. I've always thought that a lot of BDP (there's another acronym for you new-schoolers) was make-work. --Chuck

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Keith Monahan <keithvz at verizon.net> wrote: Does the following look like D&D to you? F*************************************************************** F* THIS PROGRAM READS THE CONTENTS OF AN INVOICE HEADER FILE F* AND PRINTS THE INVOICES PROCESSED FOR THE DATE SET IN THE F* LOCAL DATA AREA. THERE ARE LEVEL BREAKS AND TOTALS FOR F* EACH STORE. F*************************************************************** F* FINVHDR IP F 62 DISK FPRINTER O F 132 OF PRINTER IINVHDR NS 01 1NC I 1 3 STORE L1 I 4 13 INVNO I 14 20 CUSTNO I 21 45 STNAM I 46 53 INVDAT I 54 622TOTINV I UDS I 1 8 RPTDAT C 01 INVDAT COMP RPTDAT 11 C 01 11 ADD TOTINV L1TOT 92 C 01 11 ADD TOTINV LRTOT 92 OPRINTER H 101 1P O OR OF O PAGE Z 106 O 102 'PAGE' O 59 'VERY BIG' O 72 'STORES, INC.' O UDATE Y 17 O 8 'RUN DATE' O H 1 1P O OR OF O 73 'DAILY SALES BY STORE' O H 2 1P O OR OF O RPTDAT 83 O 63 'FOR DATE:' O H 1 1P O OR OF O 6 'STORE' O 18 'INVOICE' O 28 'CUSTOMER' O 58 'CUSTOMER' O 78 'INVOICE' O H 2 1P O OR OF O 6 'NUMBER' O 18 'NUMBER' O 28 'NUMBER' O 58 'NAME' O 78 'TOTAL' O D 0 L1 O STORE 6 O D 1 01 11 O INVNO 18 O CUSTNO 28 O STNAM 58 O TOTINV1B 78 O T 1 L1 O 45 'STORE TOTAL...' O L1TOT 1B 78 O T 1 LR O 45 'GRAND TOTAL...' O LRTOT 1 78

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: I really have no idea which messages in this thread are serious and which are sarcastic, but to help out "old school" and "new school" alike (i.e., to disambiguate) If you were a teenager after about 1978, RPG probably means "Role Playing Game" to you. If you learned to program before 1978, RPG probably means "Report Program Generator" to you. D&D in this thread means "Dungeons and Dragons". It's likely that many on this list have played it, but it's also equally likely that many have not. So there you have it. If this has all been thinly-veiled puns, my apologies - it was too subtle for me. -ethan

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Joachim Thiemann <joachim.thiemann at gmail.com> wrote: Ooh... yeah... forgot about that one... If you were American and 19 somewhere between about 1964 and 1974, _that_ might be the first thing that comes to mind for the letters R, P and G. Or perhaps something else comes to mind... http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/RPG -ethan

On 9 July 2012 16:49, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: Ohhhhhh! Thanks - the thread makes a lot more sense now. -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:49:46 -0700 "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: I believe somebody reported he had Hercules running on his Android phone, so... I think that means yes.