26 Jan
2008
26 Jan
'08
6:34 a.m.
Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
So let's say they're just not for the faint of heart ;) I for one have to plead
guilty of printer packratting, having piled up an assortment of impact matrix and laser
printers mainly (I'm less fond of inkjets because they always clog up if you don't
use them regularly). So let's see what's around here:
Pin impact:
Commodore MPS-802 (first printer in household)
NEC Pinwriter P2200 (printer of our first PC)
NEC Pinwriter P6+
NEC Pinwriter CP7 (four-zone ribbon color printer)
Epson LQ100 (neat little dot matrix unit, even used sometimes)
Epson LQ-570+
Epson LX-400
Epson TM-267IIB (serial receipt printer)
Oki Microline 591
Star J120
Inkjet:
Canon BJ-10sx
Canon BJ-20
Canon BJC-85
Canon BJC4100
HP DeskJet 660C (first color printer of my dad)
HP DeskJet 1200C
HP DeskJet 1600C(M), 3x (professional inkjets with drier lamp)
Epson Stylus COLOR (nonstandard appearance for an inkjet)
Lexmark Color Jetprinter 1000 (modern exterior)
Lexmark X1160 (USB Scanner/printer combi)
Laser:
Citizen Overture 106
Apple LaserWriter II NTX
Apple LaserWriter Pro 630
Epson EPL-5000
Epson EPL-7100
HP LaserJet Series II
Siemens PT10 (rebadged HP LaserJet II)
HP LaserJet IIISi
HP LaserJet 4L (unusually flat laser)
HP LaserJet 4
brother HL-1260e (the only one regularly in use; same engine as LJ4)
HP LaserJet 4Si (honkin' big cube)
HP LaserJet 5L
HP LaserJet 6L
HP LaserJet 2100M
Kyocera F-1200
Thermal transfer
Okidata unit with c/y/m/k transfer strips chained in a ribbon cassette
two Mitsubishi still image printers (CP100E, CP250E?) with TTL, VGA, RGB and composite
video inputs in addition to parallel
...and probably some more buried somewhere that I don't yet have in my inventory.
People keep telling me I have to cut down on such stuff (as well as commodity PCs) but
whenever I start to think about which to throw out, I get to think about each one's
unique features and what I would say if somebody asked me tomorrow if I had a printer for
that-and-that specific location and application.
One of my yet unfulfilled dreams is a daisywheel printing terminal (Diablo 1620 or
similar).
Enough of a confession?
So long,
Arno
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But nobody
collects printers, not even vintage ones.
Because they're big and heavy and power-hungry, and they're always
running out of supplies when you try to do anything useful. 
26 Jan
26 Jan
11:24 a.m.
I have one printer in my "collection".....
It's an Okidata Microline 92
.....and one regular user
an HP Laser Jet 4L
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
12:03 p.m.
This discussion reminds me I need to clear some space to setup my HP
2608A and see if I can get it working and hooked up to my HP-1000.
It's a dot matrix printer rated at something like 400 LPM.
Almost 30 years old. The November 1978 HP Journal had several pages
on the 2608A.
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=315
2:30 p.m.
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Glen Slick wrote:
This discussion reminds me I need to clear some space
to setup my HP
2608A and see if I can get it working and hooked up to my HP-1000.
It's a dot matrix printer rated at something like 400 LPM.
I worked on those, back in 1986-88. It used a shuttle driven by a
large voice coil. It was surprisingly quiet for its speed. Adjustments
were a bit finicky, but not bad.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
2:38 p.m.
Glen wrote...
> This discussion reminds me I need to clear some
space to setup my HP
> 2608A and see if I can get it working and hooked up to my HP-1000.
> It's a dot matrix printer rated at something like 400 LPM.
Mike replied...
I worked on those, back in 1986-88. It used a
shuttle driven by a
large voice coil. It was surprisingly quiet for its speed. Adjustments
were a bit finicky, but not bad.
Maybe you can help on my 2610 too then. But the 2610 is decidedly not
dot-matrix. I believe the print mechanism is a large drum - but I haven't
torn into it and can't say for sure. Definitely not dot matrix though. The
stand itself is probably over 100 pounds, pretty much just a big hunk of
metal. When the 2610 was printing you could feel it in the floors & walls ;)
Jay
4:11 p.m.
On Jan 26, 2008 11:38 AM, Jay West <jwest at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Maybe you can help on my 2610 too then. But the 2610 is decidedly not
dot-matrix. I believe the print mechanism is a large drum - but I haven't
torn into it and can't say for sure. Definitely not dot matrix though. The
stand itself is probably over 100 pounds, pretty much just a big hunk of
metal. When the 2610 was printing you could feel it in the floors & walls ;)
Does it look like this (not so great) picture of a 2614A? This
reference says they were both drum printers, with the 2614A being 3
times as fast in LPM compared to the 2610A.
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=545
6:18 p.m.
Glen wrote...
Does it look like this (not so great) picture of a
2614A? This
reference says they were both drum printers, with the 2614A being 3
times as fast in LPM compared to the 2610A.
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=545
No, not really. The 2610 looks a bit older styling, and while it's very hard
to tell from that picture - larger.
Googling shows that once again, HP has reused a part number for something
completely different.
Everything is in a state of disarray from the sewer incident, but if I can
put hands on the docs I will scan a picture of it. I don't want to take a
picture of mine as it's not easily accessible.
Jay
11 p.m.
New subject: HP 2610A printer was - Re: non-existence of printer collectors...proven wrong
Ok, found all the docs.
The HP 2610A is actually a rebadged or reskinned CDC 9322. Printing
mechanism is print hammers and drum.
I put up two pages out of the parts manual, one is a fairly poor but visible
picture of the unit. The other is a lineart drawing that shows the front,
back and major assemblies. That should give some idea of the item anyways.
http://www.ezwind.net/jwest/HP2610/
Jay
5:26 p.m.
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Jay West wrote:
Mike replied...
The 2608 and 2610 were two very different animals, unfortunately. I
also worked on the 2619, which was a 1000 lpm chain/train printer
manufactured for HP by Printronix, and the 2617 drum printer. I don't
remember a lot of details after 20 years. :-) With the HP maintenance
manual and a scope though, you can do a lot.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
I worked on those, back in 1986-88. It used a
shuttle driven by a large
voice coil. It was surprisingly quiet for its speed. Adjustments were a
bit finicky, but not bad.
Maybe you can help on my 2610 too then. But the 2610 is decidedly not
dot-matrix. I believe the print mechanism is a large drum - but I haven't
torn into it and can't say for sure. Definitely not dot matrix though. The
stand itself is probably over 100 pounds, pretty much just a big hunk of
metal. When the 2610 was printing you could feel it in the floors & walls ;)
12:29 p.m.
I have about 6 or so early dos era printers that some may consider
collectible. They were the most common ones in the early days on apples,
early PC's, etc. Think epson, star, okidata, etc. I myself do not consider
them collectable, and would LOVE to get rid of them to a good home.
In my office at home I use a HP LaserJet 4+ with options: extended capacity
lower tray, duplexer, maximum memory, and large capacity power envelope
feeder. It's in good shape, but I do have the full service docs on it and
will do anything I can to keep it running forever. A similar printer with
large capacity envelope printer (what I use/need most) would be very
expensive these days, and be basically a hunk of plastic junk anyways. I'll
stick with the battleship laserjet 4+ :) I don't consider this collectible,
but certainly won't get rid of it!
I do have one printer that is (to me) quite collectible. An HP 2610A
printer. Every bit of 350 pounds, a floorstanding monster about 5 foot long.
I haven't torn into it yet to restore it, but all you have to do is look at
the large motors in it and know it's a "real" printer. Several of the belts
in the printer are as large and thick as the belts in my lawn and garden
tractor. The buttons on top very much remind one of the old mainframe style
pushbuttons. I have fond memories of getting my printouts off a 2610 back in
high school from the 2000/Access machine. Since it's such a mechanical
beast, I'm a little unsure of my skills to refurbish it but I will try. It
had a very particular sound when printing and I'd love to hear it again.
I guess if you're going to include printing terminals, I do have a mint
Decwriter (LA120) but who doesn't. Oh, and a highly collectable Data General
TP2! Those are just cute - and I believe it has the guts of a nova computer
in the base for control. Picture here:
http://www.ezwind.net/jwest/dgporn/05300001.JPG
I wouldn't think that qualifies me as a "printer collector" though. But I do
like having the correct (or at least period correct) user interface devices
on my machines.
Jay West
4:05 p.m.
In article <000c01c86041$1a26cbb0$6500a8c0 at BILLING>,
"Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org> writes:
I guess if you're going to include printing
terminals, I do have a mint
Decwriter (LA120) but who doesn't. Oh, and a highly collectable Data General
TP2! Those are just cute - and I believe it has the guts of a nova computer
in the base for control. Picture here:
http://www.ezwind.net/jwest/dgporn/05300001.JPG
Wow... you really did toss a bunch of junk from your basement :-)
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7:43 p.m.
New subject: non-existence of printer collectors...slight change in topic
Does anyone remember of Nova or one of the PBS broadcasts from the 80's
a demonstration of a computer engineer who took dozens of printers and
set them up to play various musical ensembles???
There were printers of all types and sizes, from full sized printers to
smaller desktop to even calculators with printers built in... I saw it
twice as a kid and all this talk of printers just reminded me of it.
Curt
8:08 p.m.
New subject: non-existence of printer collectors...slight change in topic
In article <479BD3BF.7050104 at atarimuseum.com>,
"Curt @ Atari Museum" <curt at atarimuseum.com> writes:
Does anyone remember of Nova or one of the PBS
broadcasts from the 80's
a demonstration of a computer engineer who took dozens of printers and
set them up to play various musical ensembles???
There were printers of all types and sizes, from full sized printers to
smaller desktop to even calculators with printers built in... I saw it
twice as a kid and all this talk of printers just reminded me of it.
I've never heard of this, but it would be a great item for youtube.
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