5 May
2021
5 May
'21
5:44 p.m.
Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to make sure my recesses were
right.
I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy money
for AC cords and power line conditioners. I thought a good MG would solve
many of the 'problems' they are trying to fix.
5 May
5 May
6:14 p.m.
On 05/05/2021 07:44 PM, Donald via cctalk wrote:
Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to make
sure my recesses were
right.
I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy money
for AC cords and power line conditioners. I thought a good MG would solve
many of the 'problems' they are trying to fix.
Oh, that's audio-phoolery, the discussion topic of lots of
people with a real understanding of electronics and
physics. The audiophools have NO understanding, just
"belief". And, they get fleeced regularly by this kind of
stuff.
Jon
6:31 p.m.
I think a lot of the time audio-phools, if they will be honest with
themselves, are really trying to recreate the stereo (or even HiFi)
sounds of the 1960s because they have fond memories and like it better.
THAT I have no problem with whatsoever.
What gets annoying is when the phools try and convince others that this
old gear somehow more accurately reproduces recordings or that the
"fleecy" stuff referred to actually makes things better. Oh well.
JRJ
On 5/5/2021 8:14 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 05/05/2021 07:44 PM, Donald via cctalk wrote:
Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to
make sure my recesses were
right.
I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy
money
for AC cords and power line conditioners.? I thought a good MG would
solve
many of the 'problems' they are trying to fix.
Oh, that's audio-phoolery, the discussion topic of lots of people with a
real understanding of electronics and physics.? The audiophools have NO
understanding, just "belief".? And, they get fleeced regularly by this
kind of stuff.
Jon 
6 May
6 May
7 a.m.
I don?t refer to them as Audio-phools.
They are GESR?s. (pronounced guesser)
Golden
Eared
Sonic
Reviewers
They guess this sounds better than that, so it must be worth it.
David
On May 5, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think a lot of the time audio-phools, if they will be honest with themselves, are
really trying to recreate the stereo (or even HiFi) sounds of the 1960s because they have
fond memories and like it better. THAT I have no problem with whatsoever.
What gets annoying is when the phools try and convince others that this old gear somehow
more accurately reproduces recordings or that the "fleecy" stuff referred to
actually makes things better. Oh well.
JRJ
On 5/5/2021 8:14 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> On 05/05/2021 07:44 PM, Donald via cctalk wrote:
>> Many thanks for all the info. I just wanted to make sure my recesses were
>> right.
>>
>>
>> I asked about MG because, in an audio forum, I see folks paying crazy money
>> for AC cords and power line conditioners. I thought a good MG would solve
>> many of the 'problems' they are trying to fix.
>>
>>
> Oh, that's audio-phoolery, the discussion topic of lots of people with a real
understanding of electronics and physics. The audiophools have NO understanding, just
"belief". And, they get fleeced regularly by this kind of stuff.
> Jon
7 May
7 May
11:20 a.m.
New subject: Motor generator-audiofools
On 5/6/2021 8:00 AM, David Barto via cctalk wrote:
I don?t refer to them as Audio-phools.
They are GESR?s. (pronounced guesser)
Golden
Eared
Sonic
Reviewers
They guess this sounds better than that, so it must be worth it.
David
Well I am a Audio-Fool. Like they say "A fool and his money..
".
Secret word of the day "ElectroStatic Speakers".
I suspect 90% of the old sound is from the distortion of the speakers
and the audio equipment clipping. I have had my audio system for the
last few years, now to start upgrading to better computer, I have yet to
find it. Some how a pie computer emulating a PDP 8 does not feel quite
right.
Ben.
On May 5, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think a lot of the time audio-phools, if they will be honest with themselves, are
really trying to recreate the stereo (or even HiFi) sounds of the 1960s because they have
fond memories and like it better. THAT I have no problem with whatsoever.
What gets annoying is when the phools try and convince others that this old gear somehow
more accurately reproduces recordings or that the "fleecy" stuff referred to
actually makes things better. Oh well.
JRJ
11:32 a.m.
New subject: Motor generator-audiofools
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 7:20 PM ben via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Well I
am a Audio-Fool. Like they say "A fool and his money.. ".
Secret word of the day "ElectroStatic Speakers".
I do not consider that to be audiophoolery.
The charateristics of a particular electrostatic speaker are
measurable. They are also different in some respects to those of a
moving coil cone speaker, no matter what cabinet it is used in (which
of course makes a big difference). They will sound different to a
movng coil speaker system, and if you prefer that sound then that's
what you should listen to. Far too many people forget that the real
purpose of your audio system is not to be technically perfect but to
reproduce sounds that you enjoy listening to. It is to give pleasure.
There is something of an interest in the UK (at least) in the cheap
1960s record players of the 'Dansette' type. Techically they are
terrible. A cheap autochanger, a cystal or ceramic cartridge, a simple
amplfier based round either an outpur pentode (1 stage) or if you are
lucky a triode-pentode (2 stages) and a single small-ish speaker in a
cabinet with no acoustical merit whatsoever.
BUT... it's nostalgia. People remember listening to such players back
in the day, perhaps dancing with a person they later married.
Remembering that gives pleasure. Which as I said is the real reason
for such a device n the first place.
To me audiophoolery is things that can't be measured and can't make a
difference to the sound (or if they do, then something is serously
wrong with the design). Like special mains cables, when there are
several hundred metres (at least) between the final substation
transformer and the wall socket outlet. And if the amplifier is so
sensitive to small fluctuations of the mains input then the PSU of
said amplifier needs to be redesigned properly.
-tony
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