3 Jul
2020
3 Jul
'20
2:24 a.m.
Hi!
I have a box full of Compaq SCSI server disk caddies (with 9.1G disks in
them). Feels silly to dump them into e-waste recycling, but there
probably isn't much point in shipping them very far either (I am in
Amsterdam).
Julf
6 Jul
6 Jul
2:54 p.m.
On 7/3/20 3:24 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
Hi!
Hi,
I have a box full of Compaq SCSI server disk caddies
(with 9.1G
disks in them). Feels silly to dump them into e-waste recycling,
but there probably isn't much point in shipping them very far either
(I am in Amsterdam).
/Which/ caddie are they? Can we see a picture of them? Both the front
visible from outside of the system and the connector(s).
I'm aware of two major families of caddies (near) that time. The older
type with the drive on a sled with a card edge connector, and the newer
type with a frame that clams around the drive (these may have only been
SCA). I believe the older card edge type used 68-pin UW, 50-pin
SCSI-II, and maybe SCA connectors. I think the old card edge type also
came in 1/2 height and 1/3 height. (It might have been the same sled
with different lids.
I suspect that there may be an interested party or three in the sleds.
Depending on the health of the drives, there may be interested parties
for them too.
If I needed one of those drives, I'd be willing to pay $1 / GB plus
shipping and handling if they were known to be good. (If I needed them)
I would buy them sight unseen if you ran SpinRite level 2 on the drives
and said they passed.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
7 Jul
7 Jul
8:03 a.m.
On 06-07-2020 23:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
/Which/ caddie are they?? Can we see a picture of
them?? Both the front visible from outside of the system and the connector(s).
Pictures at https://imgur.com/a/iJU6YBH
The drives are Ultra Wide 3 SCSI.
I think they are the same as this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Compaq-BD009122BA-127962-001-9-1GB-10K-RPM-Wide-Ul…
I would buy them sight unseen if you ran SpinRite
level 2 on the drives and said they passed.
Unfortunately I won't be able to do any testing as I am too much in the middle of
trying to (urgently) clear out things.
Julf
9 Jul
9 Jul
12:48 a.m.
Johan Helsingius wrote:
On 06-07-2020 23:54, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I have a shoe box full of similar Compaq caddies, blanks and one or two
slightly different caddies.
I am interested in swapping what I have for SCA disk carrier plates which
fit in the slots in the front of my DEC Alphaserver 800. These are a much
simpler device consisting of a steel base with a honeycomb of ventilation
holes, no top, clear plastic runners on the sides and a flexible clear
plastic pull handle at the front. See figure 10-10 on page 240 of:
http://vaxhaven.com/images/5/55/EK-ASV80-UG.B01.pdf
I don't have any disks to include unless someone wants a couple of failed
18GB examples.
(I also have an unidentified 4 slot SCA disk cage which I have no caddies/
carriers for and I have no idea what to look for except that they seem to
be slightly larger (wider) than either the Compaq type or the Alphaserver
800 type.)
I am in Dublin, Ireland.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
/Which/ caddie are they?? Can we see a picture of
them?? Both the front
visible from outside of the system and the connector(s).
Pictures at https://imgur.com/a/iJU6YBH
7 Jul
7 Jul
2:30 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grant Taylor via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2020 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On 7/3/20 3:24 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
-----
I've got a bunch of 18GB SCA drives like this on the other side of the pond (Toronto)
and have been meaning for several years now to set up a box to test them; did actually
test one with an 80<>68 pin adapter and it worked, but in the meantime seem to have
misplaced the system I used...
Any interest to make it worth while?
m
Hi!
Hi,
I have a box full of Compaq SCSI server disk
caddies (with 9.1G
disks in them). Feels silly to dump them into e-waste recycling,
but there probably isn't much point in shipping them very far either
(I am in Amsterdam).
/Which/ caddie are they? Can we see a picture of them? Both the front
visible from outside of the system and the connector(s).
I'm aware of two major families of caddies (near) that time. The older
type with the drive on a sled with a card edge connector, and the newer
type with a frame that clams around the drive (these may have only been
SCA). I believe the older card edge type used 68-pin UW, 50-pin
SCSI-II, and maybe SCA connectors. I think the old card edge type also
came in 1/2 height and 1/3 height. (It might have been the same sled
with different lids.
I suspect that there may be an interested party or three in the sleds.
Depending on the health of the drives, there may be interested parties
for them too.
If I needed one of those drives, I'd be willing to pay $1 / GB plus
shipping and handling if they were known to be good. (If I needed them)
I would buy them sight unseen if you ran SpinRite level 2 on the drives
and said they passed.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
3:49 p.m.
On 7/7/20 3:30 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
I've got a bunch of 18GB SCA drives like this on
the other side of
the pond (Toronto) and have been meaning for several years now to
set up a box to test them; did actually test one with an 80<>68 pin
adapter and it worked, but in the meantime seem to have misplaced
the system I used...
I've got a system that can hold four drives and run tests on them in
sequence. But your drives there and my system here seems like a non
starter. :-/
Any interest to make it worth while?
I'm not personally interested. However....
I know a guy that may have need for some 18 GB drives.
Please email me directly (gtaylor (at) thetconsulting (dot) net) with
more particulars. I might be able to arrange a new home for a few of
the drives.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
4:15 p.m.
I've got a bunch of 18GB SCA drives like this on
the other side of the
pond (Toronto) and have been meaning for several years now to set up a
box to test them; did actually test one with an 80<>68 pin adapter and
it worked, but in the meantime seem to have misplaced the system I
used...
Any interest to make it worth while?
Mike,
I would be interested but you may not be at my price points ;).
For example I bought about a whole lot of drives a couple of weekends ago - all with
caddies and with working 10K 18.2gb HDD (some in the new style caddies that expose the SCA
connectors and some with the card edge connector) from multiple vendors on eBay. My cost
of drives + caddies + shipping ranged from $9 to $12.50 per drive shipped
+ tax (depending on vendor size/location). I doubt it would be in any way worth it for you
to ship a drive from Canada to USA for close to those prices much less from Europe for the
OP.
I love a good working SCSI drives as much as the next guy but honestly shipping anything
out of the local area is fast becoming unacceptably expensive. So unless it is super rare
or "I must have it or die" the cost of shipping usually kills the deal even if
the item is appropriately priced.
-Ali
8 Jul
8 Jul
3:41 a.m.
On Mon, Jul 06, 2020 at 03:54:10PM -0600, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
[...]
If I needed one of those drives, I'd be willing to
pay $1 / GB plus shipping
and handling if they were known to be good. (If I needed them) I would buy
them sight unseen if you ran SpinRite level 2 on the drives and said they
passed.
As a guideline, PostNL quote ?18.20 (?USD20.50) for its single grade of packet
post to "world". The 2kg weight limit is good for two or three typical
3.5"
hard disks of around 700g each. It's cheaper to the rest of Europe (and UK) but
the 2kg limit remains for anywhere outside the Netherlands. For more than 2kg,
you're looking at expensive couriers and the price to the USA quickly rockets.
I'm up the road in Zaandam and could collect and test these disks, but I
already have more (3) 9GB disks than I need (0) and don't want any more if they
don't already have homes allocated. I'm not sure I could face dealing with
eBay/Marktplaats/etc timewasters to dispose of them responsibly, even if I were
making a nominal ?10 each on them.
11:41 a.m.
On 08-07-2020 12:41, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
As a guideline, PostNL quote ?18.20 (?USD20.50) for
its single grade of packet
post to "world". The 2kg weight limit is good for two or three typical
3.5"
hard disks of around 700g each. It's cheaper to the rest of Europe (and UK) but
the 2kg limit remains for anywhere outside the Netherlands. For more than 2kg,
you're looking at expensive couriers and the price to the USA quickly rockets.
Good to know! Thanks!
I'm up the road in Zaandam and could collect and
test these disks, but I
already have more (3) 9GB disks than I need (0) and don't want any more if they
don't already have homes allocated. I'm not sure I could face dealing with
eBay/Marktplaats/etc timewasters to dispose of them responsibly, even if I were
making a nominal ?10 each on them.
Indeed. I too am wondering if i can be bothered. Just don't want to recycle
something someone might use/need.
Julf
9 Jul
9 Jul
4:24 a.m.
ons 2020-07-08 klockan 20:41 +0200 skrev Johan Helsingius via cctalk:
On 08-07-2020 12:41, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
Urs?kta att jag inte har h?rt av mig tidigare.
Har du fortfarande kvar n?gra av systemen ?
Vikt (tittade pga fr?gan om diskarna p? vad frakten fr?n Nederl?nderna
skulle kosta dvs ca 250 SEK) ?
As a guideline, PostNL quote ?18.20 (?USD20.50)
fo
Indeed. I too am wondering if i can be bothered. Just don't want to
recycle
something someone might use/need.
Julf
7:05 a.m.
On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 01:24:11PM +0200, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote:
[...]
Vikt (tittade pga fr?gan om diskarna p? vad frakten
fr?n Nederl?nderna skulle
kosta dvs ca 250 SEK) ?
According to Google Translate: "how much to Sweden?"
For Sweden specifically, about ?10 or SEK100. For Europe in general, ?10-12 for
regular post and another ?2-5 for tracked and/or insured delivery. The latter
is advisable given how shambolic international post is right now.
8:27 a.m.
(English at end)
Hej!
Har du fortfarande kvar n?gra av systemen ?
Ja, en Proliant 6000, en DL380, och en tower-typ maskin med 8 diskplatser (skall kolla
typen senare),
och s?kert 20 caddyn och h?rdskivor.
Vikt (tittade pga fr?gan om diskarna p? vad frakten
fr?n Nederl?nderna
skulle kosta dvs ca 250 SEK) ?
Kan v?ga skivorna/caddyn i morgon. Maskinerna ?r tunga, speciellt
6000'an.
For non-Swedish speakers:
Yes, I still have a Proliant 6000, a DL380, and a tower-type machine with 8
disk slots (will check type later), and at least 20 caddies and disks.
Will check weight of disks/caddies tomorrow. The computers are heavy,
especially the 6000.
Julf
7:16 p.m.
On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
FYI, DHL has interesting flat-rate offers for consumers across at least
some European countries, e.g. taking your example of shipping from the
Netherlands to the UK the rates are ?10.00/?15.00/?20.00/?26.00 for a
chunky parcel of up to 2kg/5kg/10kg/20kg respectively. More details and
other destinations at: <https://my.dhlparcel.nl/pwa/shipment/package>.
For the US destination this does indeed look somewhat less attractive
though.
Please note DHL operates country-specific sites and offers vary between
countries; look for "Document & Parcel Shipping".
HTH,
Maciej
If I needed
one of those drives, I'd be willing to pay $1 / GB plus shipping
and handling if they were known to be good. (If I needed them) I would buy
them sight unseen if you ran SpinRite level 2 on the drives and said they
passed.
As a guideline, PostNL quote ?18.20 (?USD20.50) for its single grade of packet
post to "world". The 2kg weight limit is good for two or three typical
3.5"
hard disks of around 700g each. It's cheaper to the rest of Europe (and UK) but
the 2kg limit remains for anywhere outside the Netherlands. For more than 2kg,
you're looking at expensive couriers and the price to the USA quickly rockets.
7 Jul
7 Jul
7:48 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Jul 2020 at 22:19, Johan Helsingius via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hi!
I have a box full of Compaq SCSI server disk caddies (with 9.1G disks in
them). Feels silly to dump them into e-waste recycling, but there
probably isn't much point in shipping them very far either (I am in
Amsterdam).
I would also suggest advertising or offering these online. Vintage Mac
collectors, as well as all manner of vintage UNIX box collectors, are
finding it increasingly difficult to find SCSI drives these days. Some
are happy to go with SCSI2SD but for others it lacks authenticity, or
they want the speeds, noises etc. too.
I suspect you will easily find people who would take them for _at
least_ the cost of shipping them.
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8:05 a.m.
On 07-07-2020 16:48, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
I would also suggest advertising or offering these
online. Vintage Mac
collectors, as well as all manner of vintage UNIX box collectors, are
finding it increasingly difficult to find SCSI drives these days. Some
are happy to go with SCSI2SD but for others it lacks authenticity, or
they want the speeds, noises etc. too.
Thanks - good hint. I was a bit surprised to see the prices people are asking on fleabay.
Julf
8:45 a.m.
New subject: R: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion anyway, from the point of view of
someone that's now looking at finding a thing since months and is fixated about a real
price vs an enflated one
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cctalk
Inviato: marted? 7 luglio 2020 17:06
A: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Oggetto: Re: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On 07-07-2020 16:48, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
I would also suggest advertising or offering these
online. Vintage Mac
collectors, as well as all manner of vintage UNIX box collectors, are
finding it increasingly difficult to find SCSI drives these days. Some
are happy to go with SCSI2SD but for others it lacks authenticity, or
they want the speeds, noises etc. too.
Thanks - good hint. I was a bit surprised to see the prices people are asking on fleabay.
Julf
9:52 a.m.
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:14, Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion anyway, from the point of view of
someone that's now looking at finding a thing since months and is fixated about a real
price vs an enflated one
I often hear comments like this, but I don't really understand them.
People pay what they are willing to pay. It is not like Amazon where
bots watch other bots and raise the prices of rare books in a spiral
anti-bidding-war.
Sure, they are places where, as a buyer, you may find bargains -- but
as a seller, what is the appeal of selling somewhere that will make
you less money?
eBay is easy, it works worldwide (or as nearly as anyone does), the
seller fees are low, and it has a large catchment audience. I have
sold a lot of stuff there, and bought some too. It does the job.
I often see people on here saying go to some obscure website or other
instead, but most of those are US-based. I am not in the USA and don't
want to be.
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10:54 a.m.
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From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> On Behalf Of Liam Proven via
cctalk
Sent: 07 July 2020 17:52
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
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Subject: Re: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:14, Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There are several types of EBay seller of vintage equipment. For things like these COMPAQ
sleds there are people who are hoping a big business needs one for something critical that
can't easily be upgraded.
These people put premium prices on the kit and then don't seem to care if they sell
them. So you see server bits like these drive sleds at what we think are silly prices.
But if some one needs one they may buy because its cheaper that any other fix......
.. Then there are the folks who sell off-platform, put it on E-Bay at a silly price, then
sell it on their own site advertising 50% off the E-bay price....
.. Those who put something on at a silly price because some one else has it on at a silly
price and they think its worth that, and they don't sell....
.. But my favourites are those who list something a ?1.00 hoping it will reach a decent
value. If its popular it will....
Its not E-Bay that?s expensive, its sellers that are greedy...
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion anyway, from the
point of view of someone that's now looking at finding a thing since
months and is fixated about a real price vs an enflated one
I often hear comments like this, but I don't
really understand them.
People pay what they are willing to pay. It is not like Amazon where bots
watch other bots and raise the prices of rare books in a spiral anti-bidding-
war.
Sure, they are places where, as a buyer, you may find bargains -- but as a
seller, what is the appeal of selling somewhere that will make you less
money?
eBay is easy, it works worldwide (or as nearly as anyone does), the seller
fees are low, and it has a large catchment audience. I have sold a lot of stuff
there, and bought some too. It does the job.
I often see people on here saying go to some obscure website or other
instead, but most of those are US-based. I am not in the USA and don't want
to be.
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Dave
12:16 p.m.
New subject: R: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
Well, my comment is purely based on "non vintage" specific things.
I've a fetish ( ok ok, I know ) for xeons. On current hw there are various things with
actually balanced / good prices to be found. But xeons tend to be valued more than they
should
Again, personal opinion ( and these things are OT since too new )
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Inviato: marted? 7 luglio 2020 18:52
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:14, Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion anyway, from the point of view of
someone that's now looking at finding a thing since months and is fixated about a real
price vs an enflated one
I often hear comments like this, but I don't really understand them.
People pay what they are willing to pay. It is not like Amazon where
bots watch other bots and raise the prices of rare books in a spiral
anti-bidding-war.
Sure, they are places where, as a buyer, you may find bargains -- but
as a seller, what is the appeal of selling somewhere that will make
you less money?
eBay is easy, it works worldwide (or as nearly as anyone does), the
seller fees are low, and it has a large catchment audience. I have
sold a lot of stuff there, and bought some too. It does the job.
I often see people on here saying go to some obscure website or other
instead, but most of those are US-based. I am not in the USA and don't
want to be.
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3:57 p.m.
On 7/7/20 10:52 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
People pay what they are willing to pay. It is not
like Amazon where
bots watch other bots and raise the prices of rare books in a spiral
anti-bidding-war.
There is the nominal market value, and then there's what some
questionable person with more money than sense will pay.
Such purchases have an adverse effect on the nominal market value. If
nothing else, future sellers will see the high sale price and think that
they can also get that much for the item.
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7:10 p.m.
On 2020-07-07 12:52 p.m., Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 18:14, Alessandro Mazzini via
cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
That is true if things are actually selling. But from what I've seen
(and why I agree with the earlier comment about ebay often being
overpriced) is that sellers list stuff at overly inflated prices and
then let it sit there unsold.
For a recent real-world example, look at SPARCstation 20s on ebay. A
quick glance shows there are at least three listed right now between
$800 and $1000 (US Dollars), and they've each been listed for 4-8 months.
About a week ago there were two other SS 20s up for auction with $99 USD
starting bids. The cosmetically better one went for just over $200 with
several bidders. The damaged one sold (just minutes later) for $125 USD
with only two bidders. (I was the winning bidder on that one.)
Those auctions are probably very good indications of what people are
willing to pay. But those other sellers are still asking 4x or 5x that
amount in their "buy it now" sales ... unsold for months and seemingly
unaware of the auction values of the two that did sell.
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion anyway, from
the point of view of someone that's now looking at finding a thing
since months and is fixated about a real price vs an enflated one
I often hear comments like this, but I don't really understand them.
People pay what they are willing to pay. 
8 Jul
8 Jul
11:07 a.m.
On 07/07/2020 09:10 PM, John-Paul Stewart via cctalk wrote:
That is true if things are actually selling. But from what I've seen
(and why I agree with the earlier comment about ebay often being
overpriced) is that sellers list stuff at overly inflated prices and
then let it sit there unsold.
Yes, to know the truth, you have to use advanced search, and
select SOLD items only.
Then, you can see what items actually sold for what value.
LOTS of items have red prices, meaning they did NOT sell,
but closed without bids or closed below the reserve price.
A green price means it did sell at that price.
Jon
11:26 a.m.
If the auction had the option for best offer and the seller took an offer
the listing will show it sold at the listed price and not the actual price.
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and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On 07/07/2020 09:10 PM, John-Paul Stewart via cctalk wrote:
That is true if things are actually selling. But from what I've seen
(and why I agree with the earlier comment about ebay often being
overpriced) is that sellers list stuff at overly inflated prices and
then let it sit there unsold.
Yes, to know the truth, you have to use advanced search, and
select SOLD items only.
Then, you can see what items actually sold for what value.
LOTS of items have red prices, meaning they did NOT sell,
but closed without bids or closed below the reserve price.
A green price means it did sell at that price.
Jon
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7 Jul
7 Jul
9:53 a.m.
New subject: R: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSI disk caddies (and disks)
On 07-07-2020 17:45, Alessandro Mazzini wrote:
Flebay is quite overpriced, sadly ( personal opinion
anyway, from the point of view of someone that's now looking at finding a thing since
months and is fixated about a real price vs an enflated one
Not disagreeing.
Julf
8:46 a.m.
On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 at 17:05, Johan Helsingius via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Thanks - good hint. I was a bit surprised to see the prices people are asking on fleabay.
I think I sold my last 2 or 3 before I emigrated for circa ?50 each.
5.25" HD floppy drives went for more than that.
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9:52 a.m.
On 07-07-2020 17:46, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
I think I sold my last 2 or 3 before I emigrated for
circa ?50 each.
5.25" HD floppy drives went for more than that.
Wow! I guess I have been a bit hasty with taking stuff to recycling. :-/
Wonder if someone would be interested in either of these:
https://www.cnet.com/products/compaq-proliant-6000-pii-xeon-400-mhz-monitor…
https://www.harddrivesdirect.com/quickspecs_proliant_DL380G1.php
Julf
1:58 p.m.
On 7/7/20 10:52 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
Wow! I guess I have been a bit hasty with taking stuff
to recycling. :-/
It happens.
Wonder if someone would be interested in either of
these:
I'd bet a coffee and doughnut that someone will be interested.
I might be tempted to scratch an itch and play with the 6000 if I were
at a swap meet and could pick it up for a song. But I'm not a serious
shopper for it.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
8 Jul
8 Jul
11:39 a.m.
On 07-07-2020 22:58, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
I might be tempted to scratch an itch and play with
the 6000 if I were at a swap meet and could pick it up for a song.? But I'm not a
serious shopper for it.
Right, and shipping it anywhere will be seriously expensive considering the weight.
Julf
7 Jul
7 Jul
10:46 a.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's (was: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSC...)
On Jul 7, 2020, at 7:48 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I would also suggest advertising or offering these online. Vintage Mac
collectors, as well as all manner of vintage UNIX box collectors, are
finding it increasingly difficult to find SCSI drives these days. Some
are happy to go with SCSI2SD but for others it lacks authenticity, or
they want the speeds, noises etc. too.
Some of us with a good stash of physical drives are contemplating going with SCSI2SD.
This last week I?ve been dealing with two Amiga 3000?s. In both cases the original
Quantum Fireball drives still work (though the one on my main system is noisy and was
formatted before I got it ~23 years ago). The oddball IBM(?) drive I used as a system
disk is apparently dead, so I?m thinking SCSI2SD is the way to go.
Am I correct that a v5.1 SCSI2SD should work just fine? Anything I need to be aware of?
I?ve been interested in these for ages, in part as a way to have quieter systems, but have
never purchased one.
Zane
11:02 a.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's (was: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSC...)
Am I correct that a v5.1 SCSI2SD should work just
fine? Anything I need
to be aware of?
I run a SCSI2SD on my A2500 with whatever SCSI card it has by default. The
only issue that I have is the SCSI2SD boots slower than the Amiga, so when
I power on the Amiga I have to wait a few seconds then do the A+A+Control
reboot three finger salute (or whatever it is.) Before it's ready the
Amiga just sits at a white screen forever, but after a reboot the SCSI2SD
is ready and it boots fine.
Extra FRIGGIN awesome is I can pull the SD card out, shove it in a Win10
laptop and boot the same OS on WinUAE... copy stuff on, pull SD card out
stuff it back in the physical system and go.
It would be nice if the SCSI2SD was mounted on a expansion cover plate
though, with the LEDs visible and the SD card accessible externally.
-- :
Ethan O'Toole
12:24 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's
On 7/7/2020 1:02 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
What version of the SCSD2SD V5 do you have?? The V5.1 was reworked to boot faster
(so claims the site here
<http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD#Which_version_should_you_buy_.3F>
) and the V6 boots even faster I believe.
Am I correct
that a v5.1 SCSI2SD should work just fine?? Anything I need to be aware of?
I run a SCSI2SD on my A2500 with whatever SCSI card it has by default. The only issue
that I have is the SCSI2SD boots slower than the Amiga, so when I power on the Amiga I
have to wait a few seconds then do the A+A+Control reboot three finger salute (or whatever
it is.) Before it's ready the Amiga just sits at a white screen forever, but after a
reboot the SCSI2SD is ready and it boots fine.
Extra FRIGGIN awesome is I can pull the SD card out,
shove it in a Win10 laptop and boot the same OS on WinUAE... copy stuff on, pull SD card
out stuff it back in the physical system and go.
It would be nice if the SCSI2SD was mounted on a expansion cover plate though, with the
LEDs visible and the SD card accessible externally.
That's how I them mounted in my MicroVAX 3100 and AlphaServer DS10.? On the
Alphaserver I bought the 3.5" bracket and replaced the floppy disk with it.? On the
MicroVAX I used the same 3.5" bracket and mounted it in a 5.25" to 3.5"
bracket with a homemade baseplate.
SCSI2SD mounting bracket:
<https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.1-v6-bracket-black.htm>
StarTech 3.5" to 5.35" mount
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HLZXH2>
?-- : Ethan O'Toole
--
John H. Reinhardt
12:28 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's
On 7/7/2020 2:24 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:
On 7/7/2020 1:02 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
wrote:
What version of the SCSD2SD V5 do you have?? The V5.1 was reworked to boot faster
(so claims the site here
<http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD#Which_version_should_you_buy_.3F>
) and the V6 boots even faster I believe.
Oh, I drilled a hole (1/4") through the SCSI2SD mounting bracket and
mounted a LED wired to the holes on the PC board. Pro tip: Remove the SCSI2SD card from
the bracket before drilling so that when the drill breaks though it doesn't zip in and
chew off a couple of the SMD resistors and capacitors... Don't ask me how I know. :-P
--
John H. Reinhardt
Am I
correct that a v5.1 SCSI2SD should work just fine?? Anything I need to be aware of?
I run a SCSI2SD on my A2500 with whatever SCSI card it has by default. The only issue
that I have is the SCSI2SD boots slower than the Amiga, so when I power on the Amiga I
have to wait a few seconds then do the A+A+Control reboot three finger salute (or whatever
it is.) Before it's ready the Amiga just sits at a white screen forever, but after a
reboot the SCSI2SD is ready and it boots fine.
Extra FRIGGIN awesome is I can pull the SD card
out, shove it in a Win10 laptop and boot the same OS on WinUAE... copy stuff on, pull SD
card out stuff it back in the physical system and go.
It would be nice if the SCSI2SD was mounted on a expansion cover plate though, with the
LEDs visible and the SD card accessible externally.
That's how I them mounted in my MicroVAX 3100 and AlphaServer DS10.? On the
Alphaserver I bought the 3.5" bracket and replaced the floppy disk with it.? On the
MicroVAX I used the same 3.5" bracket and mounted it in a 5.25" to 3.5"
bracket with a homemade baseplate.
SCSI2SD mounting bracket:
<https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.1-v6-bracket-black.htm>
StarTech 3.5" to 5.35" mount
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HLZXH2>
?-- : Ethan O'Toole
12:57 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's
On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:24 PM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Is Inertial Computing a good place to buy from? I was looking at their website. It looks
like the latest v6 might be the way to go for Amiga, VAX, and Alpha. With v5.1 making
more sense for my PDP-11/73, due to cost, it?s not like I?m going to get 10MB/sec on a
Q-Bus backplane. :-)
Zane
On 7/7/2020 1:02 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
I was wondering about this myself.
I run a SCSI2SD on my A2500 with whatever SCSI
card it has by default. The only issue that I have is the SCSI2SD boots slower than the
Amiga, so when I power on the Amiga I have to wait a few seconds then do the A+A+Control
reboot three finger salute (or whatever it is.) Before it's ready the Amiga just sits
at a white screen forever, but after a reboot the SCSI2SD is ready and it boots fine.
What version of the SCSD2SD V5 do you have? The V5.1 was reworked to boot faster
(so claims the site here
<http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD#Which_version_should_you_buy_.3F>
) and the V6 boots even faster I believe. It would be
nice if the SCSI2SD was mounted on a expansion cover plate though, with the LEDs visible
and the SD card accessible externally.
That's how I them mounted in my MicroVAX 3100 and AlphaServer DS10. On the
Alphaserver I bought the 3.5" bracket and replaced the floppy disk with it. On the
MicroVAX I used the same 3.5" bracket and mounted it in a 5.25" to 3.5"
bracket with a homemade baseplate.
SCSI2SD mounting bracket:
<https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.1-v6-bracket-black.htm>
1:04 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's
On 7/7/2020 2:57 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:24 PM, John H. Reinhardt via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Is Inertial Computing a good place to buy from? I was looking at their website. It
looks like the latest v6 might be the way to go for Amiga, VAX, and Alpha. With v5.1
making more sense for my PDP-11/73, due to cost, it?s not like I?m going to get 10MB/sec
on a Q-Bus backplane. :-)
Zane
They are. I bought from them just a month and a half ago - the replacement for the
"Drilled" board plus another for my PDP-11/xx (53/73/83 depending on which CPU
board I feel like using) and it was delivered in 3 days despite shipping from CA to TX in
these COVID limited days.
I haven't tested but you're probably right in that a V5.1 is probably good for a
PDP QBUS SCSI card.
--
John H. Reinhardt
On 7/7/2020 1:02 PM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote:
I was wondering about this myself.
I run a SCSI2SD on my A2500 with whatever SCSI
card it has by default. The only issue that I have is the SCSI2SD boots slower than the
Amiga, so when I power on the Amiga I have to wait a few seconds then do the A+A+Control
reboot three finger salute (or whatever it is.) Before it's ready the Amiga just sits
at a white screen forever, but after a reboot the SCSI2SD is ready and it boots fine.
What version of the SCSD2SD V5 do you have? The V5.1 was reworked to boot faster
(so claims the site here
<http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD#Which_version_should_you_buy_.3F>
) and the V6 boots even faster I believe. It would
be nice if the SCSI2SD was mounted on a expansion cover plate though, with the LEDs
visible and the SD card accessible externally.
That's how I them mounted in my MicroVAX 3100 and AlphaServer DS10. On the
Alphaserver I bought the 3.5" bracket and replaced the floppy disk with it. On the
MicroVAX I used the same 3.5" bracket and mounted it in a 5.25" to 3.5"
bracket with a homemade baseplate.
SCSI2SD mounting bracket:
<https://store.inertialcomputing.com/product-p/scsi2sd-v5.1-v6-bracket-black.htm>
1:31 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's
> What version of the SCSD2SD V5 do you have? The
V5.1 was reworked to
> boot faster (so claims the site here
>
<http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php/SCSI2SD#Which_version_should_you_buy_.3F>
> ) and the V6 boots even faster I believe.
No idea, I will look someday when I pull it back out :-)
Was working on an IMSAI system currently.. then going to re-battery NeXT.
- Ethan
12:59 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's (was: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSC...)
On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Ethan O'Toole
<ethan at 757.org> wrote:
Extra FRIGGIN awesome is I can pull the SD card out,
shove it in a Win10 laptop and boot the same OS on WinUAE... copy stuff on, pull SD card
out stuff it back in the physical system and go.
I?ll need to read up on doing this with FS-UAE, as I have to start from scratch with my
Amiga 3000, since I?ve obviously lost everything. I use a Mac, so WinUAE isn?t an option.
I also have a pair of IDE-to-CF adapters that I need to install in my Amiga 600 and Amiga
1200.
Zane
11:14 a.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD & Amiga's (was: About to dump a bunch of Compaq SCSC...)
On 2020-07-07 13:46, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
Am I correct that a v5.1 SCSI2SD should work just
fine? Anything I need to be aware of?
I?ve been interested in these for ages, in part as a way to have quieter systems, but
have never purchased one.
Not completely to the subject, but I got some of those, and they work
nicely on my VAXStation 4000/90, where most other designs failed.
Watch for Asia copies of the version 5, go for the "original" 6 from the
guy who made it.
Just a little trick I use a lot:
take a nice big/fast SD_CARD, and partiton it with the first partition
of 1GByte, the others to your liking.
So you can simply dd your install media on a pc to the sd-card,
and install on the real machine from device id0 ...
Cheers
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