26 Jan
2013
26 Jan
'13
11:39 a.m.
It's a
real pity you won't ship to Canada. I'd take the 11/04, rx02s,
and the tu-58. I've already got an 11/34a, this would make a great
addition to my collection.
On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com> wrote:
More cleaning and lowered price on some stuff
that didn't sell last time
around.
As always, remind me that you are a list member and I'll add some
freebies.
Thanks to all on the list whose purchased from me.
-tom
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From France, to be specific.
Is that normal / usual ??
27 Jan
27 Jan
2:03 a.m.
On 26/01/2013 19:39, GerardCJAT wrote:
HOW comes that theses items CANNOT EVEN be seen from abroad ??
From France, to be specific.
Is that normal / usual ?? I don't think so, unless its some French government
paranoia. OK in
England....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251219433952
Dave
It's
a real pity you won't ship to Canada. I'd take the 11/04,
rx02s, > and
the tu-58. I've already got an 11/34a, this would make
a great > addition to my collection.
On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com>
wrote:
More cleaning and lowered price on some stuff
that didn't sell last
time around.
As always, remind me that you are a list member and I'll add some
freebies.
Thanks to all on the list whose purchased from me.
-tom
tcp1022
AT&T 6300 Personal Computer 251219453567
DEC Pro 350 251219291641
DEC VAX4000/300 251219438856
DEC alpha PWS 500au 251219352958
DEC VAX 4000/VLC 251219392926
HP 9885 floppy drives 251219443307
AT&T 6300 251219453567
DEC TU-58 251219297427
SMS RXO1/RX02 floppy dr 251219332374
PDP 11/04 251219325467
ADM3A 251219433952
4:37 a.m.
On 27 January 2013 10:03, Dave <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think so, unless its some French government paranoia. OK in
England....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251219433952
Ditto. And a very interesting read it was too, as it led to me looking
up Lera-Siegler, discovering that this particular model of terminal
has its own Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A
... and that this is the device responsible for a number of Unix
keystrokes and shortcuts still in use to this day, including HJKL for
cursor movement in Vi and a thousand other programs, ~ meaning "Home"
and more besides. Quite remarkably educational.
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7:33 a.m.
On 27/01/13 7:37 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
On 27 January 2013 10:03, Dave<dave.g4ugm at
gmail.com> wrote:
IIRC its escape codes were also the basis of those used by Televideo and
probably others.
I actually used an ADM-3A around 1981, hooked to a CP/M system, and my
high school's computer lab had a Televideo TV950 and a VISUAL 200 that
were used through the 1980s (during which decade other equipment was added!)
--Toby
I don't think so, unless its some French government paranoia. OK in
England....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251219433952
Ditto. And a very interesting read it was too, as it led to me looking
up Lera-Siegler, discovering that this particular model of terminal
has its own Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A
... and that this is the device responsible for a number of Unix
keystrokes and shortcuts still in use to this day, including HJKL for
cursor movement in Vi and a thousand other programs, ~ meaning "Home"
and more besides. Quite remarkably educational.
--
Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile
Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven
MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven
Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884
9:52 a.m.
... and that this is the device responsible for a
number of Unix
keystrokes and shortcuts still in use to this day, including HJKL for
cursor movement in Vi and a thousand other programs, ~ meaning "Home"
and more besides. Quite remarkably educational.
on eBay, is the ADM3a still called an "iMac prototype"?
10:11 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A, iMac prototype? - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 27/01/13 12:52 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
I lold.
--T
... and that
this is the device responsible for a number of Unix
keystrokes and shortcuts still in use to this day, including HJKL for
cursor movement in Vi and a thousand other programs, ~ meaning "Home"
and more besides. Quite remarkably educational.
on eBay, is the ADM3a still called an "iMac prototype"?
10:36 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A, iMac prototype? - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
> on eBay, is the ADM3a still called an "iMac
prototype"?
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Toby Thain wrote:
I lold.
But, the kids today have no idea what an ADM3a was, and don't even
remember the iMac, so this is the last place that I can tell THAT joke.
1:42 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A, iMac prototype? - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 1/27/13 10:36 AM, "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
When I was at Microsoft, one of my projects (Windows CE kernel) required a
serial terminal connection, so I kept an ADM-3A on my desk. You have no
idea how many people thought that "iMac" looked funny. Too much fun! --
Ian
> on eBay,
is the ADM3a still called an "iMac prototype"?
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013, Toby
Thain wrote:
I lold.
But, the kids today have no idea what an ADM3a was, and don't even
remember the iMac, so this is the last place that I can tell THAT joke.
10:55 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 27/01/13 1:24 PM, John Wilson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 09:52:40AM -0800, Fred Cisin
wrote:
Can you expand on why you hated them? Was that generic to glass ttys, or
just this model?
--Toby
on eBay, is the ADM3a still called an "iMac
prototype"?
:-)
Yeah it blew my mind when Jobs picked *that* look again.
We called ADM3As "blue pigs" in college. Hated 'em.
John Wilson
D Bit
11:58 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0500, Toby Thain wrote:
Can you expand on why you hated them? Was that generic
to glass ttys,
or just this model?
For me it was the lack of selective clearing -- so doing even basic
editing on an ADM3A (even just ^W to delete a word) over a 1200-baud modem
connection meant lots and lots of ASCII blanks. Annoyingly slow...
VT100s were *way* nicer, and even VT52s were a step up (at least they
had ESC K, and the arrow keys could be easily distinguished from control
chars, so ^H means one thing and left-arrow means another).
John Wilson
D Bit
12:04 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 01:55:49PM -0500, Toby Thain wrote:
Was that generic to glass ttys,
or just this model?
Good point come to think of it though -- after all they did call it
"The Dumb Terminal" so they weren't claiming much, and the ADM3A was
more usable than what came immediately before. Text mode on a Tek 4006
was extremely unpleasant. And I've never used Hazeltine terminals but I
gather they were known for having a different fatal flaw in each model
(like reversing UC and LC or something like that).
John Wilson
D Bit
12:04 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 01/27/2013 10:55 AM, Toby Thain wrote:
Can you expand on why you hated them? Was that generic
to glass ttys, or
just this model?
We had a couple and nobody wanted to use them. They looked cheap, felt
cheap and display quality was questionable. Beehive terminals were lot
nicer--and people would fight to get to use the sole Tandberg that we had.
--Chuck
12:36 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 27/01/13 3:04 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 01/27/2013 10:55 AM, Toby Thain wrote:
The TV-950 and VISUAL 200 had beautiful display quality and fairly
advanced escape code vocabularies (ideal match for WordStar or
WordMaster, for example).
--Toby
Can you expand on why you hated them? Was that
generic to glass ttys, or
just this model?
We had a couple and nobody wanted to use them. They looked cheap, felt
cheap and display quality was questionable. Beehive terminals were lot
nicer--and people would fight to get to use the sole Tandberg that we had.
--Chuck
1:02 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 01/27/2013 12:36 PM, Toby Thain wrote:
The TV-950 and VISUAL 200 had beautiful display
quality and fairly
advanced escape code vocabularies (ideal match for WordStar or
WordMaster, for example).
You'll note that the Tandberg TDV-2200 not only has a detachable
keyboard (which separates it from the ADM3A), but also an adjustable
height display, contrast-controlled keyboard and other goodies. The TVI
950 looks like something from the Stone Age in comparison.
It's hard to find a photo now, but WikiP has one in a photo of a Norsk
Data 560 system:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/ND-560.jpeg
--Chuck
9:46 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
In article <510595E1.3020200 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
It's hard to find a photo now, but WikiP has one
in a photo of a Norsk
Data 560 system:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/ND-560.jpeg
Come on guys... the Terminals wiki is almost a year old now. You
should always earch there first :)
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Tandberg>
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10:28 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 01/27/2013 09:46 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <510595E1.3020200 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
Well, your Beehive terminals only go to about 1976. They were
definitely in business past 1981--I used their VT220 clone that looked
something like a CIT 101.
You show only one TAB terminal--I was using their VT220 clone in about
1986. Nice bit of kit.
I still have a pile of boards from some Fujitsu block-mode terminals
that I converted to monitors. You don't even list Fujitsu.
You need to do more homework, Richard! :)
--Chuck
It's hard to find a photo now, but WikiP has
one in a photo of a Norsk
Data 560 system:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/ND-560.jpeg
Come on guys... the Terminals wiki is almost a year old now. You
should always earch there first :)
<http://terminals.classiccmp.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Tandberg>
11:20 p.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
In article <51061A8A.8010305 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
[Complaints]
"I don't like the taste of this free beer!"
--
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<http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
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28 Jan
28 Jan
10:08 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
On 01/27/2013 11:20 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <51061A8A.8010305 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
You asked why--and I answered. The photo from WikiP of the TDV 2200
sitting there with the ND boxes was nicely done and no worse than the
photo on the Terminal Wiki.
Keep up your fine work and you may eventually get around to documenting
the Fortune Systems terminal that I worked on. Or the Bunker Ramo
terminal that prompted me to invest in the firm (I still own the stock,
but BR was swallowed by Allied Chemical a long time ago. I still get
divided checks, however).
--Chuck
[Complaints]
"I don't like the taste of this free beer!"
11:15 a.m.
New subject: ADM-3A reminiscences - was Re: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
In article <5106BEB3.8090707 at sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
On 01/27/2013 11:20 PM, Richard wrote:
You said it was hard to find a picture of the TDV 2200, but there are
clearly two on the wiki.
--
"The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" free book
<http://tinyurl.com/d3d-pipeline>
The Computer Graphics Museum <http://computergraphicsmuseum.org>
The Terminals Wiki <http://terminals.classiccmp.org>
Legalize Adulthood! (my blog) <http://legalizeadulthood.wordpress.com>
In article <51061A8A.8010305 at
sydex.com>,
Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
You asked why--and I answered. The photo from WikiP of the TDV 2200
sitting there with the ND boxes was nicely done and no worse than the
photo on the Terminal Wiki. [Complaints]
"I don't like the taste of this free beer!" 
27 Jan
27 Jan
2:07 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-
bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of GerardCJAT
Sent: 26 January 2013 19:39
To: cctech at classiccmp.org
Subject: more shameless classic trafficking (NOT Sellam's stuff)
wrote:
HOW comes that theses items CANNOT EVEN be seen from abroad ??
From France, to be specific.
Is that normal / usual ??
I was able to see them from the UK.
Regards
Rob
It's
a real pity you won't ship to Canada. I'd take the 11/04,
rx02s, and the tu-58. I've already got an 11/34a, this would make a
great addition to my collection.
On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Tom publix <ittybittybytes at gmail.com> More cleaning and lowered price on some stuff
that didn't sell last
time around.
As always, remind me that you are a list member and I'll add some
freebies.
Thanks to all on the list whose purchased from me.
-tom
tcp1022
AT&T 6300 Personal Computer 251219453567
DEC Pro 350 251219291641
DEC VAX4000/300 251219438856
DEC alpha PWS 500au 251219352958
DEC VAX 4000/VLC 251219392926
HP 9885 floppy drives 251219443307
AT&T 6300 251219453567
DEC TU-58 251219297427
SMS RXO1/RX02 floppy dr 251219332374
PDP 11/04 251219325467
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