30 Jul
2016
30 Jul
'16
11:44 p.m.
The company I worked for in 1989 had three hand-me-down MicroVax II from
the US parent.
They were originally a PDP11/73 box, which had been converted.
They ran VMS 5.5-2, all had DEQNA, with no problems that I remember. They
were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
The DEQNA may have been *unsupported* on 5.5, but it seeded to work OK.
I still have one system, and bits of the others. Failing ESDI drives put
them to the back of the garage.
I do have a replacement ESDI drive, and a Q-bus SCSI controller, so when i
get time (ha!), I'll resurrect it.
Regards, Graham
31 Jul
31 Jul
11:27 a.m.
On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
The company I worked for in 1989 had three
hand-me-down MicroVax II from
the US parent.
They were originally a PDP11/73 box, which had been converted.
They ran VMS 5.5-2, all had DEQNA, with no problems that I remember. They
were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
The DEQNA may have been *unsupported* on 5.5, but it seeded to work OK.
I still have one system, and bits of the others. Failing ESDI drives put
them to the back of the garage.
I do have a replacement ESDI drive, and a Q-bus SCSI controller, so when i
get time (ha!), I'll resurrect it.
Regards, Graham
Graham;
Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party? I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.
Doug
12:58 p.m.
On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.
By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.
There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).
--S.
They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party? I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc. 
2:40 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones <classiccmp at crash.com>
wrote:
On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
If you can get the machine to my house some how I might be able to get
MULTINET on your VAX,or at a workshop in the MidAtlantic area. I live near
Philadelphia
Bill
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On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.
By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.
There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).
--S.
They were just networked, it wasn't a cluster.
Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party? I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.
7 p.m.
On 7/31/2016 5:40 PM, william degnan wrote:
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones
<classiccmp at crash.com>
wrote:
Bill;
I am planning on bringing the MVII to VCF East next spring (assuming I
get it up and running) . I don't know of any other workshops, what were
you thinking?
Doug
On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
If you can get the machine to my house some how I might be able to get
MULTINET on your VAX,or at a workshop in the MidAtlantic area. I live near
Philadelphia
Bill On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the
OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.
By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.
There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).
--S.
They were just networked, it wasn't a
cluster.
Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party? I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.
7:03 p.m.
On 7/31/2016 3:58 PM, Steven M Jones wrote:
On 07/31/2016 11:27, Douglas Taylor wrote:
I got it half right.... UCX rings a bell since I had the OpenVMS 7.2 on
a newer VAX and the networking portion had that name. It's been awhile
and I have forgotten many of the details.
On 7/31/2016 2:44 AM, Graham Reid wrote:
If he meant they just used DECNET, then it basically came with the
OS.
You might have actually paid extra for it in a commercial setting - I
only dealt with educational or hobbyist licensing, and it was included
in those instances.
By this time I think DEC had released their Ultrix Connection (UCX)
TCP/IP and utilities product. It combined the protocol stack, some
services and network utilities, and things like a ported Berkeley-style
C shell (/bin/csh). Using that last was a mildly odd experience... They
later replaced that with TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS.
As Bill Degnan pointed out, the "hot ticket" commercial TCP/IP stack in
the VMS 5.x era was MultiNet.
There was the older CMU/IP package that everybody seemed to want to get
off of as soon as something else was available. Process Software had
TCPware, which I never encountered in the wild. And of course The
Wollongong Group offered a TCP/IP stack along with Eunice (Unix emulator).
--S. They were just networked, it wasn't a
cluster.
Do you remember if the networking software was part of VMS 5.5 or was it
a third party? I seem to remember third party TCPIP software,
Multiware, etc.
7:35 p.m.
I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax expansion hard drive on my 3100,
I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it. Clunky
but it works. I also have the process documented.
Bill
7:38 p.m.
On 7/31/2016 10:35 PM, william degnan wrote:
I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax expansion
hard drive on my 3100,
I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it. Clunky
but it works. I also have the process documented.
Bill
That sounds good. BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license
PAKS and downloads? I'm running into dead links.
Doug
7:50 p.m.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4 at comcast.net>
wrote:
On 7/31/2016 10:35 PM, william degnan wrote:
When we come to that point....
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I have the multinet install on a SCSI vax
expansion hard drive on my 3100,
I have a way to use this on someone's main system, to install it. Clunky
but it works. I also have the process documented.
Bill
That sounds good. BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license PAKS
and downloads? I'm running into dead links.
Doug
1 Aug
1 Aug
8:26 a.m.
On 7/31/2016 10:38 PM, Douglas Taylor wrote:
That sounds good. BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license
PAKS and downloads? I'm running into dead links.
Doug
Things recently (last few months) changed and the OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses are now
handled by the HPE office in India. The URL for the application is
<https://www.hpe.com/h41268/live/index_e.aspx?qid=24548>
When you choose a chapter for "Participating Chapter" choose
"DECUSERVE" if you don't belong to one. Then telnet (no SSH) to
eisner.decuserve.com where you will get a login page and choose the
"REGISTRATION" option. This will get you a DECUS member number that you can
supply for the hobbyist license. Once you are logged into the system you can find your
membership number by typing the command "HOBBYIST"
Once you get your reply from HPE then you can also reply to that email and ask for the FTP
credentials to download a VMS 7.3 VAX install disk image or Alpha or IA64 for that matter
- just ask for all that you want.
Remember that when you apply it is going to India so plan for the timezone and weekend
change accordingly.
John H. Reinhardt
7:50 p.m.
On 8/1/2016 11:26 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
On 7/31/2016 10:38 PM, Douglas Taylor wrote:
Thanks, I telneted into eisner and used my DECUS number from 2002. I
entered that in the www.hpe.com webpage, and am waiting for a response.
Back in 2002 I got the VMS 7.2 media, PAKS and layered products, but a
lot has changed since then. I can't find my media, but maybe I don't
need it.
At this point I am awaiting the SCSI2SD adapter to use in the MVII. I
also have a MV 4000/400 I need to get current license PAKS for.
Doug
That sounds good. BTW, where do I go to get the VMS hobbyist license
PAKS and downloads? I'm running into dead links.
Doug
Things recently (last few months) changed and the OpenVMS Hobbyist
licenses are now handled by the HPE office in India. The URL for the
application is <https://www.hpe.com/h41268/live/index_e.aspx?qid=24548>
When you choose a chapter for "Participating Chapter" choose
"DECUSERVE" if you don't belong to one. Then telnet (no SSH) to
eisner.decuserve.com where you will get a login page and choose the
"REGISTRATION" option. This will get you a DECUS member number that
you can supply for the hobbyist license. Once you are logged into the
system you can find your membership number by typing the command
"HOBBYIST"
Once you get your reply from HPE then you can also reply to that email
and ask for the FTP credentials to download a VMS 7.3 VAX install disk
image or Alpha or IA64 for that matter - just ask for all that you want.
Remember that when you apply it is going to India so plan for the
timezone and weekend change accordingly.
John H. Reinhardt
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