10 Mar
2010
10 Mar
'10
2:29 p.m.
So speaking of AWG 30, what is the best tool for stripping it for
wirewrap purposes?
Is something like an OK ST-500 a decent tool for around $33?
http://media.digikey.com/photos/OK%20Industries%20-%20Jonard%20Photos/ST-50…
10 Mar
10 Mar
2:36 p.m.
--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Glen Slick <glen.slick at gmail.com> wrote:
Is something like an OK ST-500 a decent tool for around
$33?
Every wire wrap too I've ever used has one built in. It's either a hole in the
center of the tool with a blade, or a little removable tool that hides under the rotating
cap of the tool.
-Ian
3:18 p.m.
On 10 Mar 2010 at 11:36, Mr Ian Primus wrote:
--- On Wed, 3/10/10, Glen Slick <glen.slick at
gmail.com> wrote:
...Like the $7 tool available from Radio Shack. Actually, a very
decent tool.
But for the best stripping, I use a Micro-Strip. It used to be made
by Augut and retail for $20, but now is sold under the Tyco brand.
They do show up on eBay at NOS discounts; I just picked on up item
280472770397--for $19.95. At DigiKey, you can expect to pay about
$75.
It's pretty much impossible to nick a wire with one of these, so
they've found renewed interest as fiber optic strippers.
--Chuck
Is something like an OK ST-500 a decent tool for around
$33?
Every wire wrap too I've ever used has one built in. It's either a
hole in the center of the tool with a blade, or a little removable
tool that hides under the rotating cap of the tool. 
4:27 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
...Like the $7 tool available from Radio Shack.
Actually, a very
decent tool.
I'll second that. I imported one when I built my COSMAC Elf -- bought it
from a distributor who charged $5 to cut the
"RadioShack" badge off the
top... *groan*
Well worth the money, though. Admittedly I don't bother with Wire Wrap
any more, but the tool is still worth keeping around (same goes for most
tools really -- I'm a compulsive tool-hoarder...)
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4:39 p.m.
On 10 Mar 2010 at 21:27, Philip Pemberton wrote:
Well worth the money, though. Admittedly I don't
bother with Wire Wrap
any more, but the tool is still worth keeping around (same goes for
most tools really -- I'm a compulsive tool-hoarder...)
I love to wire-wrap. To me, it's the engineer's version of
needlepoint, except that you wind up with something that (hopefully)
does more than just sit there.
--Chuck
4:44 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Same here; been doing it forever, don't see myself stopping
anytime soon.
-Dave
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Well worth the
money, though. Admittedly I don't bother with Wire
Wrap
any more, but the tool is still worth keeping around (same goes for
most tools really -- I'm a compulsive tool-hoarder...)
I love to wire-wrap. To me, it's the engineer's version of
needlepoint, except that you wind up with something that (hopefully)
does more than just sit there.
5:03 p.m.
On 10 Mar 2010 at 16:44, Dave McGuire wrote:
Same here; been doing it forever, don't see
myself stopping
anytime soon.
Heh, there's just something about the "whirr-click" of a wirewrap gun
that stirs up memories. Sort of like the smell of ammonia has me
remembering blueline machines.
Human memory is a strange and wonderful thing.
--Chuck
5:35 p.m.
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 02:03:04PM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 10 Mar 2010 at 16:44, Dave McGuire wrote:
..
Heh, there's just something about the
"whirr-click" of a wirewrap gun
that stirs up memories. Sort of like the smell of ammonia has me
I only ever owned one of those painful manual wrap tools.
remembering blueline machines.
And gesteners.
Human memory is a strange and wonderful thing.
--Chuck
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8:34 p.m.
On 10 Mar 2010 at 17:35, Diane Bruce wrote:
I only ever owned one of those painful manual wrap
tools.
If you were using one of the little round Vector tools (really
painful to use for long periods), a popular kludge was to fit the
thing into the chuck of an battery-powered drafting eraser, such as a
Koh-i-noor. Reverse the batteries to unwrap. It didn't index, but
it was better than nothing.
--Chuck
5:47 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yes. I rarely do it with a hand tool; I have two guns, a primary
and a backup. Wrapping wire is no longer available at the corner
store like it used to be, but you can still buy it online from a
bunch of different places.
Same here;
been doing it forever, don't see myself stopping
anytime soon.
Heh, there's just something about the "whirr-click" of a wirewrap gun
that stirs up memories. Sort of like the smell of ammonia has me
remembering blueline machines. Human memory is a strange and wonderful thing.
True, that.
-Dave
--
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Port Charlotte, FL
7:43 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I love to wire-wrap. To me, it's the
engineer's version of
needlepoint, except that you wind up with something that (hopefully)
does more than just sit there.
I've been using a Roadrunner pen since my supply of (cheap) wire-wrap
sockets dried up. Similar idea, but with enamelled copper wire instead.
You wrap the wire round a socket pin or component lead 2 or 3 times,
then solder it, run it to the next lead, wrap, solder and carry on.
It doesn't look pretty (though the wiring strips can help stop it
turning into a complete rat's nest) but it works fine for anything up to
about 20MHz or so.
Best part is it works with standard components and sockets... I've even
used it with SMD parts, though not to the standard that this guy has:
http://elm-chan.org/
Some of his boards are so well done they're more like functional artwork...
--
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http://www.philpem.me.uk/
8:19 p.m.
On 11 Mar 2010 at 0:43, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I've been using a Roadrunner pen since my supply
of (cheap) wire-wrap
sockets dried up. Similar idea, but with enamelled copper wire
instead. You wrap the wire round a socket pin or component lead 2 or 3
times, then solder it, run it to the next lead, wrap, solder and carry
on.
Didn't Vector have a system that used tefzel-insulated wire called
"Slit-N-Wrap" that used a wiring pen with a little spool of wire on
top? I've seen tefzel wire offered on eBay, but it always seems to
be tinned, not silverplated.
--Chuck
8:27 p.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
Anyone know what computer was used to create the graphics for the Dire
Straits MTV video "Money ain't for Nothing" ?
Curt
8:49 p.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
Anyone know what computer was used to create the
graphics for the Dire
Straits MTV video "Money ain't for Nothing" ?
[You mean "Money For Nothing"]
Yup! Wikipedia has a nice little article listing the computer as a Bosch
FGS-4000. It was created by Ian Pearson and Gavin Blair, who went on to do
Mainframe Entertainment (ReBoot, among others). The company is listed as
"Limelight Films" in "State of the Art," with Blair in charge of
graphics.
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9:52 p.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
Thanks Cameron!
Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Anyone know
what computer was used to create the graphics for the Dire
Straits MTV video "Money ain't for Nothing" ?
[You mean "Money For Nothing"]
Yup! Wikipedia has a nice little article listing the computer as a Bosch
FGS-4000. It was created by Ian Pearson and Gavin Blair, who went on to do
Mainframe Entertainment (ReBoot, among others). The company is listed as
"Limelight Films" in "State of the Art," with Blair in charge of
graphics.
17 Mar
17 Mar
7:02 p.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
In article <201003110149.o2B1n2Jt014554 at floodgap.com>,
Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> writes:
Yup! Wikipedia has a nice little article listing the
computer as a Bosch
FGS-4000.
IIRC, that device was created in Salt Lake City. Bosch later become
Philips Digital Video Systems and I worked there for a few years.
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7:55 p.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
It would not suprise me if this hardware has origins or connections going back to
'Graphics, Utah Style' :
Ivan Sutherland
Hank Christansen
MOVIE.BYU (later CQUEL.BYU)
Brigham Young University was a leader in the beginnings of computer graphics.
A web search of the Bosch shows it was about $1M, and used a lot in courtroom trial
animations (Z-axis, Forensic Technologies Inc.)
Thats how I got my start in 3d animation; crashing cars, doing plant explosions, and then
a roller coaster accident...
The stand alone systems kind of went away after Symbolics. Wavefront and Alias ran on
SGI, Sun and Tek.
These too later got buried after Alias bought Wavefront, and ported it to the PC as Maya.
3d is cheap now, however it still takes years to become a talented animator.
Randy
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Subject: Re: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
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Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> writes:
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Yup! Wikipedia has a nice little article listing
the computer as a Bosch
FGS-4000.
IIRC, that device was created in Salt Lake City. Bosch later become
Philips Digital Video Systems and I worked there for a few years.
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18 Mar
18 Mar
4:43 a.m.
New subject: Dire Straits Computer Graphics?
In article <BLU145-W28E3BA0B90EDFE50F93CBBA2C0 at phx.gbl>,
Randy Dawson <rdawson16 at hotmail.com> writes:
Brigham Young University was a leader in the
beginnings of computer graphic=
s.
University of Utah was a leader in the beginnings of computer graphics.
BYU did stuff later.
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10 Mar
10 Mar
9:50 p.m.
On Mar 10, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Yeah, I remember those ads. "Slit-N-Wrap...don't Just Wrap and
wonder if the post cut the insulation". They were competing with the
Just Wrap product, which is self-explanatory.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I've been
using a Roadrunner pen since my supply of (cheap) wire-wrap
sockets dried up. Similar idea, but with enamelled copper wire
instead. You wrap the wire round a socket pin or component lead 2
or 3
times, then solder it, run it to the next lead, wrap, solder and
carry
on.
Didn't Vector have a system that used tefzel-insulated wire called
"Slit-N-Wrap" that used a wiring pen with a little spool of wire on
top? I've seen tefzel wire offered on eBay, but it always seems to
be tinned, not silverplated. 
11 Mar
11 Mar
1:44 p.m.
Well worth the money, though. Admittedly I don't bother with Wire Wrap
any more, but the tool is still worth keeping around (same goes for most
Why not? Wire-wrapping is easy and fast. The only downside is the cost of
the sockets.
Does anyone else use a Roadrunner tool? It's a point-to-point wirign
system using enamelled copper wire, the coating burns off when you solder
it. I've built a lot of stuff that way, including a couple of transputer
systems.
tools really -- I'm a compulsive tool-hoarder...)
You're not the only one. Why else would I have things like a staking set,
a mainspring winder, a valve pin straighener, etc in my toolkit.
-tony
10 Mar
10 Mar
7:58 p.m.
On 3/10/10 11:29 AM, Glen Slick wrote:
So speaking of AWG 30, what is the best tool for
stripping it for
wirewrap purposes?
A Clauss No-Nik
http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_NN008.htm
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