30 Apr
2008
30 Apr
'08
8:30 p.m.
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30 Apr
30 Apr
9:01 p.m.
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
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Cool! Love the crosshair cursor and inconvenient roller system to
control it. No mouse back then!
1 May
1 May
9:37 a.m.
In article <51ea77730804302101j8e14000j1fb2bc442f007809 at mail.gmail.com>,
"Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com> writes:
Cool! Love the crosshair cursor and inconvenient roller system to
control it. No mouse back then!
The mouse was invented, but AFAIK Tektronix didn't start offering
products with mice until the mid-to-late 80s? They did offer a
joystick accessory for the 4051, which looks like the weirdest
joystick I've ever seen.
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Richard <legalize
at xmission.com> wrote:
> <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/2008/04/30/tektronix-4010-4051-and-4114
-and-apollo-dn10000-join-the-collection/>
10:21 a.m.
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <51ea77730804302101j8e14000j1fb2bc442f007809 at mail.gmail.com>,
"Jason T" <silent700 at gmail.com> writes:
Cool! Love the crosshair cursor and inconvenient roller system to
control it. No mouse back then!
The mouse was invented, but AFAIK Tektronix didn't start offering
products with mice until the mid-to-late 80s? They did offer a
joystick accessory for the 4051, which looks like the weirdest
joystick I've ever seen.
I think we have one of those joystick things here at the office. A
huge base with a big ball part on top, and a tiny little stick coming
out of that? And some sort of funky card connector on the end of the
cable?
John
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On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:30 PM, Richard
<legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
> <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/2008/04/30/tektronix-4010-4051-and-4114
-and-apollo-dn10000-join-the-collection/>
10:43 a.m.
In article <7d3530220805011021gaebb369md3b14a95bf14995d at mail.gmail.com>,
"John Floren" <slawmaster at gmail.com> writes:
Yes, that's it! I saw a picture in the catalog and it looks like a
bell-hop bell you'd see on a hotel counter. I'm guessing that inside
its two potentiometers to measure x/y movement and joystick has a
pressure switch mounted on it for selection.
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The mouse was
invented, but AFAIK Tektronix didn't start offering
products with mice until the mid-to-late 80s? They did offer a
joystick accessory for the 4051, which looks like the weirdest
joystick I've ever seen.
I think we have one of those joystick things here at the office. A
huge base with a big ball part on top, and a tiny little stick coming
out of that? And some sort of funky card connector on the end of the
cable?
9:39 a.m.
In article <4819C8A6.4060308 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
Richard wrote:
> <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/2008/04/30/tektronix-4010-4051-and-4114
-and-apollo-dn10000-join-the-collection/>
Consider me jealous over the dn10k :-)
Even after looking at how much physical restoration work is required
on the cabinet? :-)
This one will be a "long time coming" as CSN say. Its not just dirty,
its rusty. Then I'll have to identify the hardware inside it to get
an inventory -- I don't even know if the boards contain the graphics
HW that I'm ultimately after, because I think that was an option and
not necessarily standard on the DN10k.
I really know next to nothing about this machine, but would really
like to hear from others what they know, particularly if they have
docs that aren't online (I'll pay for round trip postage and do the
scanning for bitsavers).
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10:29 a.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <4819C8A6.4060308 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
You wouldn't believe some of the horrors that I've seen :-)
Seriously, it doesn't look too bad - most of the corrosion looks to be at the
base of the chassis, and the boards look to be in good condition still (any
obvious corrosion to the gold parts of the chips?), which is the important bit.
I assume it's all SCSI (hopefully not differential) on something of that era,
so it should be reasonably easy to check that the drive(s) are still alive and
well via a modern PC. Getting a raw backup onto modern media is probably a
good first step...
Even if the PSU's toast I expect it'd be possible to hook in a replacement
(assuming the original can't be fixed). And case/chassis damage is probably
way down on the list of priorities :-)
Richard wrote:
> <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/2008/04/30/tektronix-4010-4051-and-4114
-and-apollo-dn10000-join-the-collection/>
Consider me jealous over the dn10k :-)
Even after looking at how much physical restoration work is required
on the cabinet? :-) This one will be a "long time coming" as CSN
say. Its not just dirty,
its rusty. Then I'll have to identify the hardware inside it to get
an inventory -- I don't even know if the boards contain the graphics
HW that I'm ultimately after, because I think that was an option and
not necessarily standard on the DN10k.
Hmm, I think you might be right about it being an option - but that's just
from me piecing together what dn10k knowledge I can
over the years. There
can't have ever been many sold, and can't be more
than a very small handful of
survivors now.
Shame there's no manuals or media - that would be a really neat find.
I really know next to nothing about this machine, but
would really
like to hear from others what they know, particularly if they have
docs that aren't online (I'll pay for round trip postage and do the
scanning for bitsavers).
Let me know what you find out... it'd be nice to know that someone out there
still has them.
cheers
Jules
9:27 p.m.
In article <4819FE16.9090109 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
Shame there's no manuals or media - that would be
a really neat find.
Actually, I know someone who has the Domain/OS release tapes for it...
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2 May
2 May
5:49 a.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <4819FE16.9090109 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
For the dn10k? Intesresting... wasn't the dn10k install set totally different
to the Domain/OS set for the 'lesser' Apollos? Nice to know there's a survivng
copy, anyway.
cheers
J.
Shame there's no manuals or media - that
would be a really neat find.
Actually, I know someone who has the Domain/OS release tapes for it...
10:04 a.m.
In article <481B0DD2.9060104 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
Richard wrote:
In article <4819FE16.9090109 at
gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
For the dn10k? Intesresting... wasn't the dn10k install set totally different Shame there's no manuals or media - that
would be a really neat find.
Actually, I know someone who has the Domain/OS release tapes for it... to the Domain/OS set for the 'lesser' Apollos?
Nice to know there's a survivn
g
copy, anyway.
As I understand it, the DN10K uses a custom RISC processor and not a
680x0.
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10:33 a.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <481B0DD2.9060104 at gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
Indeed - a88k (not to be confused with m88k) wasn't it? (I was reluctant to
say that "all other Apollos are m68k"[1], as didn't the very early ones use
a
custom CPU that emulated the 68k because the Motorola part wasn't yet widely
available?)
[1] The later 7xx RISC-based series from HP doesn't count, of course...
Anyway, I think the Apollo install sets that I've seen do support all the
m68k-a-like machines - but contain no support for the dn10k; hence if you've
got a line on someone with dn10k media, I hope they're looking after it! :-)
cheers
Jules
Richard wrote:
In article <4819FE16.9090109 at
gmail.com>,
Jules Richardson <jules.richardson99 at gmail.com> writes:
For the dn10k? Intesresting... wasn't the dn10k install set
totally different Shame there's no manuals or media - that
would be a really neat find.
Actually, I know someone who has the Domain/OS release
tapes for it... to the Domain/OS set for the 'lesser'
Apollos? Nice to know there's a survivn
g
copy, anyway.
As I understand it, the DN10K uses a custom RISC processor and not a
680x0. 
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