30 Dec
2012
30 Dec
'12
4:13 p.m.
is there such thing as a db-9 hood with a bore as large as a db-25 or more specifically a
db-23? Or what about a grommet to take up the slack in the larger hood?
30 Dec
30 Dec
5:03 p.m.
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
is there such thing as a db-9 hood with a bore as
large as a db-25 or
more specifically a db-23? Or what about a grommet to take up the slack
in the larger hood?
A DB-9 IS EXACTLY the same hood as a DB-25. That is what 'B' means.
'D' is the shape, 'B' is the size, 9 or 25 is number of pins.
Did you perhaps mean a DE-9?
'E' size is used for 2 row 9 pin, and for 3 row 15 pin.
Without the size letter, how would we tell the difference between a DA-15
and a DE-15?
I have some DB-9s, they have space for 25 pins, but only have pins in
positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 20
The D-23 doesn't have a size letter.
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31 Dec
31 Dec
10:02 a.m.
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 05:03:38PM -0800, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012, Chris Tofu wrote:
I remember being amused by our "The Canadian Amateur" including both an
article on why it was the DE-9 not the DB-9, and then including another
article labelling a DE-9 as a DB-9. The irony.
is there such thing as a db-9 hood with a bore as
large as a db-25 or
more specifically a db-23? Or what about a grommet to take up the slack
in the larger hood?
A DB-9 IS EXACTLY the same hood as a DB-25. That is what 'B' means.
'D' is the shape, 'B' is the size, 9 or 25 is number of pins.
Did you perhaps mean a DE-9?
'E' size is used for 2 row 9 pin, and for 3 row 15 pin.
Without the size letter, how would we tell the difference between a DA-15
and a DE-15?
I have some DB-9s, they have space for 25 pins, but only have pins in
positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 20
The D-23 doesn't have a size letter.
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7 Jan
7 Jan
12:58 p.m.
ok so if I wanted to make a sturdy cable, db-9 at one end, D-23 at the other, is there a
grommet out there that I can purchase to make up the difference in the bores? Or do I have
to make something on one of my many not-set-up lathes. I think I lost one last week in
fact. A small one, but who loses a lathe??
1:43 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
ok so if I wanted to make a sturdy cable, db-9 at one
end, D-23 at the
other, is there a grommet out there that I can purchase to make up the
difference in the bores? Or do I have to make something on one of my
many not-set-up lathes.
hoods for DE-9 are readily available.
For DB-9, just use a DB-25 hood.
Hoods for D-23 have existed, but are hard to come by.
"Grommet"??!?
Yeah, you could make a SPACER to fill the gap for using a DB hood on a
D-23
I think I lost one last week in fact. A small
one, but who loses a lathe??
Only in a mainframe.
1:59 p.m.
I'm at a loss to understand how you use a db-9 connector w/a db-25 hood. There's
going to be a lot of ventilation it seems.
I have the D23 hood. I was going to buy a nice metal db-9 hood/connector at Radio Shlock.
I guess I'm going to have to make a GROMMET. Apparently that sort of thing doesn't
exist out there.
2:12 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
I'm at a loss to understand how you use a db-9
connector w/a db-25 hood.
There's going to be a lot of ventilation it seems.
NO.
A DE-9 is a lot smaller than a DB-25
A DB-9 is the same size as a DB-25, usually with 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and 20
connected.
I have the D23 hood. I was going to buy a nice metal
db-9 hood/connector
at Radio Shlock. I guess I'm going to have to make a GROMMET. Apparently
that sort of thing doesn't exist out there.
You said that you wanted to make a CABLE.
You have a D23 hood. and connector?
You can get a DE-9 connector and hood.
WHERE do you think that you can get a DB-9 connector and hood that is not
just a MIS-LABELED DE-9?
WHERE did you want to p[ut a GROMMET??
2:24 p.m.
ok let me start over :)
I have a Amiga 1000 external floppy drive cable - that is the d23 plus the cable ONLY. The
cable is cut off at the other end.
I want to make this into an Amiga 600 video cable. I have a D23 connector to go along
w/the D23 hood from the floppy drive.
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The cable connected to the
D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat. Therefore I need to obtain another piece of cable
that will fit in the hole of a db9 hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger
bore, so I need to take up that space.
2:36 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
I want to make this into an Amiga 600 video cable. I
have a D23
connector to go along w/the D23 hood from the floppy drive.
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The cable
connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat. Therefore I
need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in the hole of a db9
hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger bore, so I need to
take up that space.
There's no such thing as a "DB9". (Technically, 9 pins in DB25 might
qualify...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature
g.
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2:52 p.m.
From: geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com>
There's no such thing as a "DB9".? (Technically, 9 pins in DB25 might
qualify...)
C: Well it's news to me. That's what I and it seemed everyone else have been
calling them.
2:58 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
Not on this list they haven't.
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There's no such thing as a "DB9".? (Technically, 9 pins in DB25 might
qualify...)
C:\DERP> Well it's news to me. That's what I and it seemed everyone else
have been calling them.
3:10 p.m.
Chuck Guzis [cclist at sydex.com] wrote:
On 01/07/2013 02:36 PM, geneb wrote:
We solved that very issue at work with a wiki. (Maybe there's one
already?)
Antonio
arcarlini at iee.org
There's no such thing as a "DB9".
(Technically, 9 pins in DB25 might
qualify...)
We've been here so many times that it scarcely is worth bothering.
3:48 p.m.
In article <B495C33C272E47898E11DD463878CDB7 at ANTONIOPC>,
<arcarlini at iee.org> writes:
Chuck Guzis [cclist at sydex.com] wrote:
On this particular issue, wikipedia already covers it pretty well.
I'd like to see this community make a vintage computing wiki, like I
have done for terminals, but instead everyone seems insistent on
building a monument of their own instead of collaborating.
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On 01/07/2013 02:36 PM, geneb wrote:
We solved that very issue at work with a wiki. (Maybe there's one
already?) There's no such thing as a "DB9".
(Technically, 9 pins in DB25 might
qualify...)
We've been here so many times that it scarcely is worth bothering.
2:47 p.m.
On 01/07/2013 02:24 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The
cable connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat.
Therefore I need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in
the hole of a db9 hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a
larger bore, so I need to take up that space.
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4
wire cable going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of
rubber or vinyl hose, slipped it over the cable (nice if you can do it
before you solder things up), and secure it with a small cable tie that
fits inside the hood body. It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful).
Sometimes it can be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the
end of a spool.
--Chuck
2:59 p.m.
From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com>
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4 wire cable
going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of rubber or vinyl hose, slipped it
over the cable (nice if you can do it before you solder things up), and secure it with a
small cable tie that fits inside the hood body.? It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful).? Sometimes it can
be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of a spool.
--Chuck
C: I would prefer something like a grommet. Looks more professional.? I'm not sure
where I could find a suitable material, but a stroll through Homo Depot might yield
something fruitful.
3:16 p.m.
On 1/7/13 4:59 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis<cclist at sydex.com>
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4 wire cable
going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of rubber or vinyl hose, slipped it
over the cable (nice if you can do it before you solder things up), and secure it with a
small cable tie that fits inside the hood body. It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful). Sometimes it can
be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of a spool.
--Chuck
C: I would prefer something like a grommet. Looks more professional. I'm not sure
where I could find a suitable material, but a stroll through Homo Depot might yield
something fruitful.
Your local auto parts store is more likely to have what you need.
Doc
8 Jan
8 Jan
12:05 a.m.
On 01/08/2013 02:45 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote:
ROFLMAO!!
This is one of the funniest exchanges I've seen on this list in years! ;)
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> C: I would
prefer something like a grommet. Looks more professional.
> I'm not sure where I could find a suitable material, but a stroll
> through Homo Depot might yield something fruitful.
^^^^^
I didn't know there were specialized hardware shops for homossexuals
in USA...
7 Jan
7 Jan
3:21 p.m.
On 1/7/13 4:59 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
From: Chuck Guzis<cclist at sydex.com>
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4 wire cable
going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of rubber or vinyl hose, slipped it
over the cable (nice if you can do it before you solder things up), and secure it with a
small cable tie that fits inside the hood body. It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful). Sometimes it can
be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of a spool.
--Chuck
C: I would prefer something like a grommet. Looks more professional. I'm not sure
where I could find a suitable material, but a stroll through Homo Depot might yield
something fruitful.
...and hit send before i finished typing....
Chuck's suggestion of a wire tie for strain relief is a good one,
whether you use a grommet or tubing. Even a tight reducer will allow
the cable to slip over time, and the strain relief provision in the D-23
hood will probably not grasp a smaller cable.
Doc
4:17 p.m.
What I've found that works when faced with a
similar situation (e.g. 4 wire cable going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch
of rubber or vinyl hose, slipped it over the cable (nice if you can do it before you
solder things up), and secure it with a small cable tie that fits inside the hood body.?
It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful).? Sometimes it can
be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of a spool.
--Chuck
? Chuck's suggestion of a wire tie for strain relief is a good one,
whether you use a grommet or tubing.? Even a tight reducer will allow
the cable to slip over time, and the strain relief provision in the D-23
hood will probably not grasp a smaller cable.
??? Doc
C: Unless you precisely machined a grommet. But even then you could just put a tie wrap
around the cable, or w/a piece of tubing, and do your best to make it butt up against the
grommet. Even a piece of acetal/delrin would be acceptable, though not what I had in mind.
I will try the auto parts store. Sounds as good a suggestion as any.
3 p.m.
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From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 4:47 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: db-9 hoods
On 01/07/2013 02:24 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The
cable connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat.
Therefore I need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in the
hole of a db9 hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger
bore, so I need to take up that space.
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4 wire
cable going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of rubber or
vinyl hose, slipped it over the cable (nice if you can do it before you
solder things up), and secure it with a small cable tie that
fits inside the hood body. It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful).
Sometimes it can be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of
a spool.
--Chuck
Radio Shack used to sell shrink wrap tubing in small packages for a couple
of dollars. You can still get it online from various vendors. All you need
is a heat gun or hair dryer, and you can build it up in layers to make it
the thickness you need.
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3:30 p.m.
Radio Shack used to sell shrink wrap tubing in small packages for a couple
of dollars.? You can still get it online from various vendors. All you need
is a heat gun or hair dryer, and you can build it up in layers to make it
the thickness you need.
C: I have plenty of shrinky dink tubing on hand. And a heat gun. It just looks amateurish.
4:12 p.m.
On 01/07/2013 03:00 PM, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
Radio Shack used to sell shrink wrap tubing in small
packages for a couple
of dollars. You can still get it online from various vendors. All you need
is a heat gun or hair dryer, and you can build it up in layers to make it
the thickness you need.
I'd be moderately surprised if you couldn't go to Home Depot or your
local auto parts store nowadays and find the stuff. RS used to sell
heat-shrink tape that you could build up and then fuse with a suitable
heat source, such as a lighted match. I don't know if it's still offered.
Many backshells (the term of art) also come with internal cable clamps.
I long ago gave up on the 3-piece + screws and bits of metal shells.
I prefer using the one-piece snap-on type of hood with nice extended
molded-head jackscrews. On occasion, I've even filled them with epoxy
resin for a more secure attachment.
A bit of black rubber hose can serve as a very handsome grommet in a
pinch.
But for all I can tell, CT may be after a flexible strain relief instead.
--Chuck
3:03 p.m.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 4:47 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: db-9 hoods
On 01/07/2013 02:24 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The
cable connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat.
Therefore I need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in the
hole of a db9 hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger
bore, so I need to take up that space.
What I've found that works when faced with a similar situation (e.g. 4 wire
cable going into a DB25 hood), I taken either about an inch of rubber or
vinyl hose, slipped it over the cable (nice if you can do it before you
solder things up), and secure it with a small cable tie that
fits inside the hood body. It works extremely well.
(I find that keeping lengths of various size vinyl hose around useful).
Sometimes it can be had in short lengths for the asking if it's the end of
a spool.
--Chuck
http://www.oldsoftware.com/softimg6/23pin9.jpg
Is this what you are looking for?
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Is this what you are looking for?
C: that looks like a serial cable to me bubbalah. But thanks for looking. It resembles
what I need but at the far end is a D23 connector not a 25 pin thingee.
3:45 p.m.
In article <014f01cded2b$376d50a0$a647f1e0$@com>,
"Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus" <sales at elecplus.com> writes:
http://www.oldsoftware.com/softimg6/23pin9.jpg
Is this what you are looking for?
This guy is local to me, if anyone needs assistance. He mostly deals
in old C=64 stuff.
Cindy, I think I referred him to you since he scours up old virgin
copies of MS-DOS with the certificate of authenticity for medical device
manufacturers. Hopefully he helped you liquidate some inventory :-).
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On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 4:47 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: db-9 hoods
On 01/07/2013 02:24 PM, Chris Tofu wrote:
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The
cable connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat.
Therefore I need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in the
hole of a db9 hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger
bore, so I need to take up that space.
This guy is selling them brand new for $12!
http://www.bestpricecables.com/6ft-grey-amiga-monitor-cable-with-db-23-femal
e-to-db-9-male-connectors.html
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3:38 p.m.
This guy is selling them brand new for $12!
http://www.bestpricecables.com/6ft-grey-amiga-monitor-cable-with-db-23-femal
e-to-db-9-male-connectors.html
C: Thanks but I already bought the connector. I may as well make good use of it.
3:39 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus wrote:
This guy is selling them brand new for $12!
http://www.bestpricecables.com/6ft-grey-amiga-monitor-cable-with-db-23-femal
e-to-db-9-male-connectors.html
It's a little more costly than a grommet,
BUT, they have a DB-9, instead of a DE-9!
3:01 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
ok let me start over :) I have a Amiga 1000 external
floppy drive cable
- that is the d23 plus the cable ONLY. The cable is cut off at the other
end.
I want to make this into an Amiga 600 video cable. I have a D23
connector to go along w/the D23 hood from the floppy drive.
I need to put a DB9 on the other end to plug into the monitor. The cable
connected to the D23 is too fat though. Like me, too fat. Therefore I
need to obtain another piece of cable that will fit in the hole of a db9
hood. The problem w/that is the d23 hood has a larger bore, so I need to
take up that space.
Ah, now that is closer, and explains the reason for a GROMMET!
What I would do, and have done before, for matching cable
differences (not impedance matching :-)), is to drill out
the opening of the smaller hood to take the larger cable,
although using a smaller cable and an O-ring or grommet would work.
To use as a video cable, you would need a DE-9, NOT a DB-9.
DB-9 is hardly EVER used for anything except serial communications.
Although MANY people and even ignorant businesses mislabel their
DE-9's as DB-9
3:33 p.m.
What I would do, and have done before, for matching cable
differences (not impedance matching :-)), is to drill out
the opening of the smaller hood to take the larger cable,
although using a smaller cable and an O-ring or grommet would work.
C: Drilling out a metal hood in anything but a lathe seems to be a recipe for an explosion
of sorts. Even in a lathe - that likely die cast crap. I dunno. I had thought of it but my
original objection was it would look all ugly.
?I would have thought there would be something out there I could purchase. Guess not.
5:02 p.m.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013, Chris Tofu wrote:
C: Drilling out a metal hood in anything but a lathe
seems to be a
recipe for an explosion of sorts. Even in a lathe - that likely die cast
crap. I dunno. I had thought of it but my original objection was it
would look all ugly.
You're right to be cautious. I used a cheap drill press,
with the part clamped down solidly. The well-made metal ones,
and some of the plastic ones went very nicely. Some of the
crappier metal ones not so well.
?I would have thought there would be something out
there I could
purchase. Guess not.
Used to be. But, then you could choose between dozens of
different hoods for all of the common sizes. And there
existed DB hoods for cables with fewer wires.
There were probably even grommets.
'course so long as it's solid, with good strain relief,
I'm not very particular about the appearance of my DB-3s
and DB-9s.
For some connectors, such as Mini-DIN, I'm not adverse
to using whatever cable is appropriate for each connector,
and ssplicing them in the middle. With a little practice,
shrink tubing doesn't have to look too bad.
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3:13 p.m.
I'm at a loss to understand how you use a db-9
connector w/a db-25 hood. The$
I've yet to see D-shell connector hoods that care about pin count; they
all just care about size, so a DB hood is a DB hood, regardless of
whether it's a DB-25, a 13W3, or even something really esoteric like a
DB-9. (I've never seen a DB-9, though I've seen a recent trend to try
to apply the term to a DB-25 with only 9 pins installed, for some
reason. Perhaps oddly, I've never seen the other logical consequences
of that point of view, such as calling a DB-25 with only pins 2/3/7
installed a "DB-3"....)
What you most likely want is a DE hood. Almost all of what is called
"DB-9" is actually DE-9, misnamed by someone who doesn't understand the
terminology. (Unfortunately, this includes far too many vendors.
Sturgeon's Law applies.)
As for grommets? I don't know of any designed for the purpose. But
there is a very wide variety of grommets out there designed for
sheet-metal use; it would not surprise me if one of them would serve
your purpose.
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