18 Aug
2016
18 Aug
'16
12:31 p.m.
Hello,
since the messages in May about the MS Windows 1.0 version for DEC Rainbow,
I did some research to see if a version is effectively available.
It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but
a complete copy
was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which
disappeared with all valuable data...
Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
Anyway, I found a file-by-file copy of it, on this site:
https://winworldpc.com/download/62DF4D23-B974-11E4-AC5A-5404A6F17893
For preservation reasons, it would be really better to have an original
disk image.
Any news about dumping the disks or an ftp archive where they are present?
Thanks
Andrea
19 Aug
19 Aug
3 a.m.
On 19 Aug 2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo at
gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but a complete copy
was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which disappeared with all
valuable data...
Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
I?m sure the archive would have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I used to work with at
La Trobe. I?ll see if he still has the original copies.
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au
Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
20 Aug
20 Aug
3:40 a.m.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Huw Davies
<huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
I have a bunch of disks for my Rainbow labeled Windows 1.0 if there's
no archives that have them.
Warner
On 19 Aug 2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo
at gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but a complete copy
was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which disappeared with all
valuable data...
Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
I?m sure the archive would have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I used to work with at
La Trobe. I?ll see if he still has the original copies. 
5:04 a.m.
On 08/20/2016 02:40 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Huw Davies
<huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
I have a bunch of disks for my Rainbow labeled
Windows 1.0 if there's
no archives that have them.
Warner
What is the ftp addy?
On 19 Aug
2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo at gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but a complete copy
was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which disappeared with all
valuable data...
Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
I?m sure the archive would
have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I used to work with at La Trobe. I?ll see if he
still has the original copies.
1 May
1 May
11:20 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Huw Davies
<huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
I have a bunch of disks for my Rainbow labeled Windows 1.0 if there's
no archives that have them.
All the online archives seem to have a bogus copy, that's a mix of
VAXmate and Rainwbow files and it doesn't work.
So I discovered I have a copy that isn't in the archives. I've
uploaded it. Details in my blog entry
http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2017/05/rainbow-100-windows-10-disks-redux.html
about things. At least one member has these files and is trying to
make them work. Since I don't have Graphics Adapter, I've not worried
too much about them... But I've had them in my collection since I
think 2001...
Warner
On 19 Aug 2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo
at gmail.com> wrote:
It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find, but a complete copy
was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which disappeared with all
valuable data...
Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
I?m sure the archive would have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I used to work with at
La Trobe. I?ll see if he still has the original copies. 
4 May
4 May
9:41 p.m.
Warner,
How are you uploading and downloading disks from the Rainbow...via the
Rainbow or by reading the disks using an image program? I grabbed a copy
of Windows. I may have a spare graphics card.
Bill
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Warner Losh <imp
at bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Huw Davies
<huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On 19 Aug 2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find,
but a
complete copy
>> was available on the latrobe ftp DEC
Rainbow archive... which
disappeared with all valuable data...
>> Anybody has a copy of the content before
the deletion?
>
> I?m sure the archive would have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I
used to
work with at La Trobe. I?ll see if he still has the original
copies.
I have a bunch of disks for my Rainbow labeled Windows 1.0 if there's
no archives that have them.
All the online archives seem to have a bogus copy, that's a mix of
VAXmate and Rainwbow files and it doesn't work.
So I discovered I have a copy that isn't in the archives. I've
uploaded it. Details in my blog entry
http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2017/05/rainbow-100-windows-10-disks-redux.html
about things. At least one member has these files and is trying to
make them work. Since I don't have Graphics Adapter, I've not worried
too much about them... But I've had them in my collection since I
think 2001...
Warner
9:46 p.m.
The old fashioned way: copy the files on the rainbow to the hard
drive, kermit to my unix box.
I have a kryoflux, but it's being nothing but frustrating to me since
I don't know if I have a known good floppy it supports or not. I mean
I have two 5.25 1.2M floppy drives, just have no way of knowing if
they are good or not and am loathe to try to buy another one... So
I'm reading them the only way I know how: via an RX-50 on my
Rainbow...
I meant to get the Venix disks in the mail today, but today got away
from me. I'll get them in tomorrow.
Warner
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:41 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
Warner,
How are you uploading and downloading disks from the Rainbow...via the
Rainbow or by reading the disks using an image program? I grabbed a copy of
Windows. I may have a spare graphics card.
Bill
On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Warner Losh via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Warner Losh <imp at bsdimp.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Huw Davies
<huw.davies at kerberos.davies.net.au> wrote:
All the online archives seem to have a bogus copy, that's a mix of
VAXmate and Rainwbow files and it doesn't work.
So I discovered I have a copy that isn't in the archives. I've
uploaded it. Details in my blog entry
http://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2017/05/rainbow-100-windows-10-disks-redux.html
about things. At least one member has these files and is trying to
make them work. Since I don't have Graphics Adapter, I've not worried
too much about them... But I've had them in my collection since I
think 2001...
Warner
> On 19 Aug 2016, at 02:31, shadoooo <shadoooo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It seems that copies of this software are really difficult to find,
> but a complete copy
> was available on the latrobe ftp DEC Rainbow archive... which
> disappeared with all valuable data...
> Anybody has a copy of the content before the deletion?
I?m sure the archive would have been set up by Paul Nankervis who I
used to work with at La Trobe. I?ll see if he still has the original
copies.
I have a bunch of disks for my Rainbow labeled Windows 1.0 if there's
no archives that have them. 
9:58 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
The old fashioned way: copy the files on the rainbow
to the hard
drive, kermit to my unix box.
I have a kryoflux, but it's being nothing but frustrating to me since
I don't know if I have a known good floppy it supports or not. I mean
I have two 5.25 1.2M floppy drives, just have no way of knowing if
they are good or not and am loathe to try to buy another one... So
I'm reading them the only way I know how: via an RX-50 on my
Rainbow...
Rainbow disks are readable on a PC with 1.2M. But, it's sometimes a
little easier if you use a 720K 5.25" drive.
96tpi, 300 RPM with 250K data transfer rate
(or, with some 1.2M drives: 360RPM with 300K data transfer rate, but NOT
double stepping as would be done for 360K disk at that data transfer rate)
There are commercial programs available for the PC to read/write Rainbow,
and even programs for the Rainbow to read/write PC 160K/180K disks.
(for writing PC on the Rainbow, start with a virgin disk, and format it on
the Rainbow in PC format, or in a PC using a 1.2M drive in 190K format
-same track width problems as rewriting 360K disks in 1.2M drive)
10:17 p.m.
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
True. I have two I bought back in the day for the Rainbow that I've
not been able to get to work on my PC or kyroflux. They are TEAC
55FRs...
The old fashioned way: copy the files on the rainbow to the hard
drive, kermit to my unix box.
I have a kryoflux, but it's being nothing but frustrating to me since
I don't know if I have a known good floppy it supports or not. I mean
I have two 5.25 1.2M floppy drives, just have no way of knowing if
they are good or not and am loathe to try to buy another one... So
I'm reading them the only way I know how: via an RX-50 on my
Rainbow...
Rainbow disks are readable on a PC with 1.2M. But, it's sometimes a little
easier if you use a 720K 5.25" drive. 96tpi, 300 RPM with 250K data transfer rate
(or, with some 1.2M drives: 360RPM with 300K data transfer rate, but NOT
double stepping as would be done for 360K disk at that data transfer rate)
Correct. I've done it before years ago on FreeBSD, I thought with the
TEAC 55FRs, but it may have been with the 55GRF that I have...
There are commercial programs available for the PC to
read/write Rainbow,
and even programs for the Rainbow to read/write PC 160K/180K disks.
(for writing PC on the Rainbow, start with a virgin disk, and format it on
the Rainbow in PC format, or in a PC using a 1.2M drive in 190K format -same
track width problems as rewriting 360K disks in 1.2M drive)
Yes. And you could use the IMPDRIVE.SYS that I wrote and put a 720k
3.5" drive into the Rainbow and do the transfer that way too, since it
allowed you to read/write standard IBM disks. Trouble with that is
that my newer computers don't even have a floppy port and the older
ones in the bone yard are broken... I have 40 or 50 backup disks that
I should read into the my unix boxes sometimes.
Warner
10:18 p.m.
OK.. I will use LCTERM on my Rainbow to Kermit to my Raspberry Pi.
b
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
The old fashioned way: copy the files on the
rainbow to the hard
drive, kermit to my unix box.
I have a kryoflux, but it's being nothing but frustrating to me since
I don't know if I have a known good floppy it supports or not. I mean
I have two 5.25 1.2M floppy drives, just have no way of knowing if
they are good or not and am loathe to try to buy another one... So
I'm reading them the only way I know how: via an RX-50 on my
Rainbow...
Rainbow disks are readable on a PC with 1.2M. But, it's sometimes a
little easier if you use a 720K 5.25" drive.
96tpi, 300 RPM with 250K data transfer rate
(or, with some 1.2M drives: 360RPM with 300K data transfer rate, but NOT
double stepping as would be done for 360K disk at that data transfer rate)
There are commercial programs available for the PC to read/write Rainbow,
and even programs for the Rainbow to read/write PC 160K/180K disks.
(for writing PC on the Rainbow, start with a virgin disk, and format it on
the Rainbow in PC format, or in a PC using a 1.2M drive in 190K format
-same track width problems as rewriting 360K disks in 1.2M drive)
10:31 p.m.
I treat the few working SSQD drives I have like they're gold. The visual
1050 uses them too.
10:35 p.m.
Yea, my setup is similar, though it goes to a USB serial on my Intel
server since that was near by and handy. 9600 is totally reliable,
19200 is too flakey to use, though I'd like more speed. Then again,
310cps is about all I can do with XMODEM and 250cps with KERMIT in
LCTERM.
Warner
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:18 PM, william degnan via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
OK.. I will use LCTERM on my Rainbow to Kermit to my
Raspberry Pi.
b
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org
wrote:
> On Thu, 4 May 2017, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote:
>
>> The old fashioned way: copy the files on the rainbow to the hard
>> drive, kermit to my unix box.
>> I have a kryoflux, but it's being nothing but frustrating to me since
>> I don't know if I have a known good floppy it supports or not. I mean
>> I have two 5.25 1.2M floppy drives, just have no way of knowing if
>> they are good or not and am loathe to try to buy another one... So
>> I'm reading them the only way I know how: via an RX-50 on my
>> Rainbow...
>>
>
> Rainbow disks are readable on a PC with 1.2M. But, it's sometimes a
> little easier if you use a 720K 5.25" drive.
>
> 96tpi, 300 RPM with 250K data transfer rate
> (or, with some 1.2M drives: 360RPM with 300K data transfer rate, but NOT
> double stepping as would be done for 360K disk at that data transfer rate)
>
>
> There are commercial programs available for the PC to read/write Rainbow,
> and even programs for the Rainbow to read/write PC 160K/180K disks.
> (for writing PC on the Rainbow, start with a virgin disk, and format it on
> the Rainbow in PC format, or in a PC using a 1.2M drive in 190K format
> -same track width problems as rewriting 360K disks in 1.2M drive)
>
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