2 Oct
2003
2 Oct
'03
9:14 p.m.
Hi all!
I'll be getting an HP-85 before the month is out & I was wondering where
I could find a source for consumables (tape cartridges & thermal paper
specifically) for this machine.
Any info would be more than helpful.
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3 Oct
3 Oct
4:06 a.m.
No idea on the paper, I'd like to know.
but, the tape cartridges can still be bought new. The HP-85 uses QIC-40
tapes, the brand name being "DC-1000". I found a site that sells them in
boxes of 5 for $11 something... like $11.95 each tape. I only need a few,
anyone want to go in on a box or two and split them up?
Jay West
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From: "David Vohs" <netsurfer_x1(a)fastmailbox.net>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 1:14 AM
Subject: HP-85 consumables.
Hi all!
I'll be getting an HP-85 before the month is out & I was wondering where
I could find a source for consumables (tape cartridges & thermal paper
specifically) for this machine.
Any info would be more than helpful.
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David Vohs
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9:32 a.m.
"Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> wrote about the HP-85:
but, the tape cartridges can still be bought new. The
HP-85 uses
QIC-40 tapes, the brand name being "DC-1000".
Are you sure DC1000 cartridges will work? It's supposed to use
DC100 cartridges, which are not QIC-40. I didn't think DC100,
DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were interchangeable, despite being
the same physical size. But I haven't tried it.
9:45 a.m.
Eric wrote....
Are you sure DC1000 cartridges will work? It's
supposed to use
DC100 cartridges, which are not QIC-40. I didn't think DC100,
DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were interchangeable, despite being
the same physical size. But I haven't tried it.
I am not sure DC1000 cartridges will work. Another list member said that
what I need are QIC-40 tapes. When I looked those up on the web, the tape
manufacturer said a DC1000 was their designation for QIC-40 tapes.
I never said DC100, DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were interchangeable... in
fact they aren't.
Now that you mention it, I don't recall if it was DC100 or DC1000 they
said... I will check!
Jay West
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11:28 a.m.
Jay wrote:
I never said DC100, DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were
interchangeable...
in fact they aren't.
I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. I just was concerned that
you might buy a bunch of DC1000 tapes that might not work.
Some of the references I've found say that the HP-85 needs DC100, and
some say DC100A. I'm not sure what the difference is, but I'm guessing
that it may be the tape length, and possibly the thickness of the tape.
Tape length of DC100A cartridges is 140 ft; some references incorrectly
claim 307.5 ft, but that length didn't appear until the DC2060, and is
much thinner tape. The DC1000 is 185 ft and the DC2000 is 205 ft.
I can't find any info on the length of a DC100 (non-A) tape. I suppose
it's possible that there was only DC100A, and that references without
the A are just sloppy, but I wouldn't count on that either.
The HP part number was 98200A, and a lot of web sites claim that the
DC100A is the replacement, but I don't have any info I would considered
to be definitive.
One web site claims that their particular cleaning tapes can be used for
DC100, DC1000, and DC2000 drives. I don't think that can necessarily
be generalized to infer the same for all cleaning tapes. For example,
different brands of LTO Ultrium 1 tape drives originally needed different
cleaning tapes.
Can the HP-85 format a completely blank tape? Many HP cartridge tape
drives were not capable of doing that. I've got an HP-85 but have
never tried using a tape with it.
Eric
5 Oct
5 Oct
7:19 a.m.
On Friday 03 October 2003 13:28, Eric Smith wrote:
Jay wrote:
---snip---
The HP part number was 98200A, and a lot of web sites
claim that the
DC100A is the replacement, but I don't have any info I would considered
to be definitive.
As I think I stated in a prior Email, the HP 98200A was the original cartridge
used by HP for the 85 - however the DC100A (I've never seen a DC100) is an
identical tape and works fine as a replacement. I have two restored HP-85's
and the DC100A tapes work perfectly.
---snip---
Can the HP-85 format a completely blank tape? Many HP
cartridge tape
drives were not capable of doing that. I've got an HP-85 but have
never tried using a tape with it.
Eric
Yes, completely blank tape can be formated with the ERASETAPE command. This
creates a "blank directory" on the tape.
BTW: CAT dislplays a tape directory, STORE "filename" saves a program, LOAD
"filename" loads a program from tape, and PURGE "filename" deletes a
program
from tape. To retension a tape use CTAPE.
Cheers,
Lyle
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Mountain View, CA 94040
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
4 Oct
4 Oct
4:21 p.m.
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003, Jay West wrote:
Eric wrote....
The HP85A I had used DC100A tapes. Sadly, I sold the computer back in 1995
for about $250. I guess I'll find another one someday...
-Toth
Are you sure DC1000 cartridges will work?
It's supposed to use DC100
cartridges, which are not QIC-40. I didn't think DC100, DC1000, and
DC2000 cartridges were interchangeable, despite being the same
physical size. But I haven't tried it.
I am not sure DC1000 cartridges will work. Another list member said that
what I need are QIC-40 tapes. When I looked those up on the web, the
tape manufacturer said a DC1000 was their designation for QIC-40 tapes.
I never said DC100, DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were
interchangeable... in fact they aren't.
Now that you mention it, I don't recall if it was DC100 or DC1000 they
said... I will check!
3 Oct
3 Oct
12:44 p.m.
I've got a couple of HP-85's and have found that HP98200A or DC100A tapes
are the only ones to work reliably. I tried some "Savin" DC100A look-alikes
which "almost" worked - but apparently had the wrong magnetic coating.
[Also, you have to make sure you HP-85 cartridge drive is O.K. - which
usually means you have "refurbished" its capstan with a new rubber and/or
plastic sleeve.]
Regarding paper - I have occasionally found the thermal paper (HP 82931A)
available on eBay. I have also found some "lurking" amongst the POS thermal
paper supplies of stores/warehouses - but it is NOT easy to find, being long
discontinued. You can substitute POS thermal paper if you get the right
size (I'm in the Sierra's right now and not near my office to measure the
proper size - it just has to be very slightly less width that the printer
guides).
Cheers,
Lyle
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
Mountain View, CA 94040
650-428-0621
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
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From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: HP-85 consumables.
"Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote about the HP-85:
but, the tape cartridges can still be bought new.
The HP-85 uses
QIC-40 tapes, the brand name being "DC-1000".
Are you sure DC1000 cartridges will work? It's supposed to use
DC100 cartridges, which are not QIC-40. I didn't think DC100,
DC1000, and DC2000 cartridges were interchangeable, despite being
the same physical size. But I haven't tried it. 
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4 Oct
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9:52 a.m.
No idea on the
paper, I'd like to know.
Well, thermal fax paper should work, but it'll be too wide (it's ideal
for the full-width HP thermal printers like the 9866). Feel like cutting
a roll down?
-tony 
3:31 p.m.
On Friday, October 3, 2003, at 02:52 PM, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
This is how cutting a width to customers' specs for paper rolls even
the largest ones that weighs tonnes.
Oh, I haven't seen how this type of cutter is like and how it's done
on a rolled paper this large. Except I did see large chop machine
slice off thick pile like 1 foot tall of paper to size or part out
one into sections for bookmaking etc.
Cheers,
Wizard
We have one of those machines in at work. It can cut an entire ream of
paper at once, and I had asked about cutting a roll of paper once (for
teletype tape) and they said that it wouldn't be a problem, provided
that the roll wasn't huge, and that the core of the roll was cardboard
or paper (not metal). If you bought some thermal fax paper, you should
be able to find some place that can trim it for you (maybe Kinkos's?).
Most fax paper is in pretty small rolls of about 2 inches in diameter,
so they should be able to do it.
Ian Primus
ian_primus(a)yahoo.com
No idea on the paper, I'd like to know.
Well, thermal fax paper should work, but it'll be too wide (it's ideal
for the full-width HP thermal printers like the 9866). Feel like
cutting
a roll down?
-tony 
3:46 p.m.
At 06:52 PM 10/3/03 +0000, you wrote:
This is how cutting a width to customers' specs for paper rolls even
the largest ones that weighs tonnes.
????? Just buy the normal consumer sized rolls (~4" diameter) and cut
them with a bandsaw. I know a guy that's cut down plenty of it for use on a
HP calculator. It's uses paper about 1 1/4" wide and 1" diameter.
Joe
No idea on the paper, I'd like to know.
Well, thermal fax paper should work, but it'll be too wide (it's ideal
for the full-width HP thermal printers like the 9866). Feel like cutting
a roll down?
-tony
Oh, I haven't seen how this type of cutter is like and how it's done
on a rolled paper this large. Except I did see large chop machine
slice off thick pile like 1 foot tall of paper to size or part out
one into sections for bookmaking etc.
Cheers,
Wizard
4 Oct
4 Oct
4:59 a.m.
????? Just buy the normal consumer sized rolls
(~4" diameter) and cut
them with a bandsaw. I know a guy that's cut down plenty of it for use on a
HP calculator. It's uses paper about 1 1/4" wide and 1" diameter.
Joe
Saw (any method) that paper roll? This will leave edge raggies that
little barely attached bits will tear off and clog up the
mechanicals. YUK!
I'm still curious how they slice 10' tall rolls used for large
production like newspapers etc without tearing up big way, less
wastages etc. I thought pushing through a roll with a knife like
those tall ream of paper chop machine wastes one side of parted rolls
bec it's "ruined" by going lopsided.
Cheers,
Wizard
10:11 a.m.
They cut the paper as it comes off the presses, just before it's rolled onto
the cores.
Douglas Wood
Software Engineer
dbwood(a)kc.rr.com
ICQ#: 143841506
Home of the EPICIS Development System for the PIC
http://epicis.piclist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <jpero(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: HP-85 consumables.
> ????? Just buy the normal consumer sized rolls
(~4" diameter) and cut
> them with a bandsaw. I know a guy that's cut down plenty of it for use
on
a
HP calculator.
It's uses paper about 1 1/4" wide and 1" diameter.
Joe
Saw (any method) that paper roll? This will leave edge raggies that
little barely attached bits will tear off and clog up the
mechanicals. YUK!
I'm still curious how they slice 10' tall rolls used for large
production like newspapers etc without tearing up big way, less
wastages etc. I thought pushing through a roll with a knife like
those tall ream of paper chop machine wastes one side of parted rolls
bec it's "ruined" by going lopsided.
Cheers,
Wizard
10:17 a.m.
At 01:59 PM 10/4/03 +0000, you wrote:
I think he sanded the edges when he finished. But whatever he did worked
for him.
Joe
????? Just
buy the normal consumer sized rolls (~4" diameter) and cut
them with a bandsaw. I know a guy that's cut down plenty of it for use on a
HP calculator. It's uses paper about 1 1/4" wide and 1" diameter.
Joe
Saw (any method) that paper roll? This will leave edge raggies that
little barely attached bits will tear off and clog up the
mechanicals. YUK!
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