8 Feb
2007
8 Feb
'07
6:37 p.m.
From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
I've not had this, but I've had a *lot* of sellers (almost always big ones)
who have sent me mails to the effect "I'll leave you positive feedback after
you leave me positive feedback". I don't leave any feedback for them.
As a slightly amusing aside, the only negative eBay feedback I have was from
this Canadian douchebag dentist-in-training who was pissed I left him
neutral (not negative) feedback that it took something like 3 weeks to ship
two small packages. Not only did he leave me negative feedback, as some
sort of juvenile "payback" attempt, he tried to subscribe me to a couple of
dozen random mailing lists. Of course, every one sent me a "reply to this
if you want to subscribe" email, which I ignored.
Now, as it happens, I was a principle information security architect for a
Very Large Telco at the time. There's a certain amount of pull associated
with the job.
Not being real bright, our eBay dork didn't notice some of the mailing lists
involved were hosted at .gov sites. They we're more than willing to supply
me with date/time/IP of the attempt to sign me up. Very easy to track back
to some jerk in Canada rather than me in sunny Atlanta, GA. This resulted
in a few personal calls to his school and ISP to the effect "I'm a senior
security guy at Very Large Telco, but I have a little personal issue I was
hoping you could help me out with...here's the issue, here's the evidence".
They apparently had a really good time dressing this little putz down.
Moral of the story...don't try to screw random strangers. You never know
what kind of pull they have.
As an aside, INMHO E-bay feedback is seriously
broken, in that you can
bet seller will give you negative feedback if you give him negative
feedback, no matter how poor the product, how misleading the discription,
how promptly you paid, etc.
In fact this seller tried to blackmail me saying "if you remove your
negative feedback, then I will remove mine,
8 Feb
8 Feb
7:42 p.m.
On 2/8/07, Ken Seefried <ken at seefried.com> wrote:
From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
I've not had this, but I've had a *lot* of sellers (almost always big
ones)
who have sent me mails to the effect "I'll leave you positive feedback
after
you leave me positive feedback". I don't leave any feedback for them.
As a slightly amusing aside, the only negative eBay feedback I have was
from
this Canadian douchebag dentist-in-training who was pissed I left him
neutral (not negative) feedback that it took something like 3 weeks to
ship
two small packages. Not only did he leave me negative feedback, as some
sort of juvenile "payback" attempt, he tried to subscribe me to a couple
of
dozen random mailing lists. Of course, every one sent me a "reply to this
if you want to subscribe" email, which I ignored.
Now, as it happens, I was a principle information security architect for a
Very Large Telco at the time. There's a certain amount of pull associated
with the job.
Not being real bright, our eBay dork didn't notice some of the mailing
lists
involved were hosted at .gov sites. They we're more than willing to
supply
me with date/time/IP of the attempt to sign me up. Very easy to track
back
to some jerk in Canada rather than me in sunny Atlanta, GA. This resulted
in a few personal calls to his school and ISP to the effect "I'm a senior
security guy at Very Large Telco, but I have a little personal issue I was
hoping you could help me out with...here's the issue, here's the
evidence".
They apparently had a really good time dressing this little putz down.
Moral of the story...don't try to screw random strangers. You never know
what kind of pull they have.
that's kind of an asinine thing to do...
> As an aside, INMHO E-bay feedback is seriously broken, in that you can
> bet seller will give you negative feedback if you give him negative
> feedback, no matter how poor the product, how misleading the
discription,
how
promptly you paid, etc.
In fact this seller tried to blackmail me saying "if you remove your
negative feedback, then I will remove mine,
8:05 p.m.
In article <20070209023741.24876.qmail at seefried.com>,
"Ken Seefried" <ken at seefried.com> writes:
From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
I've not had this, but I've had a *lot* of sellers (almost always big ones)
who have sent me mails to the effect "I'll leave you positive feedback after
you leave me positive feedback". I don't leave any feedback for them.
I don't leave feedback for a purchase until I've received the item and
had a chance to inspect it.
I've also had one person pester me repeatedly to leave positive
feedback. I eventually did, but I notice the guy disappeared from
ebay shortly after that -- maybe dealing with people just wasn't his
thing.
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As an aside, INMHO E-bay feedback is seriously
broken, in that you can
bet seller will give you negative feedback if you give him negative
feedback, no matter how poor the product, how misleading the discription,
how promptly you paid, etc.
In fact this seller tried to blackmail me saying "if you remove your
negative feedback, then I will remove mine,
8:12 p.m.
I've not had this, but I've had a *lot* of
sellers (almost always big ones)
who have sent me mails to the effect "I'll leave you positive feedback after
you leave me positive feedback". I don't leave any feedback for them.
Right there with you. If I'm buying, I should be getting positive feedback
for timely payment, not as a quid pro quo arrangement. Similarly, when I
sell, I give positive feedback at the time the money is received, assuming
it is received in a timely fashion.
However, I notice that despite all the mildly threatening messages I get from
sellers who never leave feedback for me about why I don't leave feedback for
them, they've never left me negative feedback as a result probably *because*
I can just do the same to them. And I'm such a potential jerk that I just
might. ;)
I actually got a mail from one of those eBay Power Slutters that said they
didn't leave people positive feedback at all anymore, so don't expect it.
And this is the kind of environment we have to contend with, sigh.
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9:06 p.m.
On 8 Feb 2007 at 20:12, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
Right there with you. If I'm buying, I should be
getting positive feedback
for timely payment, not as a quid pro quo arrangement. Similarly, when I
sell, I give positive feedback at the time the money is received, assuming
it is received in a timely fashion.
The business with feedback isn't symnetric. When a seller gets my
money, that should be good enough. Prompt payment is the extent of
your responsibility as a buyer. However, a seller has a duty to get
the goods to you as represented in a timely manner and in good
condition. A buyer's opinion of a seller carries much more weight
than the converse.
I once had a problem with a seller; the item he sold me was stated to
have a capability that it didn't. When I asked for a refund and
return shipping, he stated that it wasn't his problem--that he was
just a carry-in seller and posted what he was told. When I asked for
the name of his customer, he refused. When I told him that if I were
stuck with the item, he'd get negative feedback. He countered with
saying that if I gave him negative feedback, he would return the
favor.
I asked eBay about this and they stated that this was not "feedback
extortion" and was completely legit. I was also told that many
sellers open new accounts when they acquire a certain amount of
negative feedback and this was completely okay with eBay.
I was surprised at the cavalier attitude. Had I known about the 90-
day feedback limit, I would have used it. Someone needs to set up a
feedback sniping service, IMOHO.
Ebay rules seem to be capriciously enforced. I've received some
great deals from courteous sellers who have had their account
terminated for a minor infraction of the rules. OTOH, there are big
sellers who hide behind Square Trade and routinely deliver bad
service without so much as a twitch from eBay management.
Ebay is a shark tank and you do yourself a favor by playing the game
with an appropriately paranoid attitude.
Cheers,
Chuck
10:03 p.m.
In article <45CC0862.5070909 at jetnet.ab.ca>,
woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> writes:
I don't trust ebay, because you can't find
real people to help you.
In other words, its just like a swap meet or any other deal between
you and some person out there on the net.
Honestly, I don't know why people expect an ebay transaction to have
the same level of confidence as buying new merchandise from a retail
store.
Its a glorified swap meet. There is little recourse for you, short of
small claims court, if things go bad.
Having said that, I'm generally happy with my ebay transactions.
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<http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html>
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9:58 p.m.
On 8 Feb 2007 at 20:12, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> Right there with you. If I'm buying, I should be getting positive feedback
> for timely payment, not as a quid pro quo arrangement. Similarly, when I
> sell, I give positive feedback at the time the money is received, assuming
> it is received in a timely fashion.
I have a different opinion. I buy 20x what I sell, but when I sell, I'm
leaving feedback on the transaction, not just whether I got the money.
Say I advertise XYZ in good, but not perfect condition. Buyer sends me
money. Do I immediately send feedback? No, because we aren't done.
Say I ship it and the buyer says: Hey, stupid, XYZ isn't in perfect
condition. I want my money back! I'd regret if I'd already left
feedback in that case, or in the case where I ship it and the receiver
claims they never received the item.
I do agree with the part that feedback shouldn't be contingent on the
feedback of the other party, but sending feedback half way through the
deal seems like a bad idea.
10:12 p.m.
Chuck Guzis wrote:
Ebay rules seem to be capriciously enforced. I've
received some
great deals from courteous sellers who have had their account
terminated for a minor infraction of the rules. OTOH, there are big
sellers who hide behind Square Trade and routinely deliver bad
service without so much as a twitch from eBay management.
I'm almost getting to the point where I don't even consider auctions
from Square Trade sellers.
It's almost a license to fsck you.
Peace... Sridhar
10:22 p.m.
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From: "Sridhar Ayengar" <ploopster at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: Humpty Dumpty
Chuck Guzis wrote:
I would think Ebay loves the large sellers and hates the smaller ones, when
you get paid by the auction listing volume is king!
Ebay rules seem to be capriciously enforced.
I've received some
great deals from courteous sellers who have had their account
terminated for a minor infraction of the rules. OTOH, there are big
sellers who hide behind Square Trade and routinely deliver bad
service without so much as a twitch from eBay management.
I'm almost getting to the point where I don't even consider auctions
from Square Trade sellers.
It's almost a license to fsck you.
Peace... Sridhar
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