24 Nov
2007
24 Nov
'07
9:44 a.m.
Hi all,Last week I hired a truck to pick up a "few" things ...- H960 rack with
PDP-11/45 and a Cypher 100 tape drive ("not working" sticker attached to the
Cypher)- H960 rack with PDP-11/55 with 28k fast memory (according to the post-it attached
to it)- H960 rack with TU45 ("seems complete" says the post-it)- H960 rack with
TU16 (capstan rooler is goo)- H960 rack with communications stuff (see below)- two RK07
disk drives- RM03 disk drive- RM03P disk pack with diagnostics- two DECprinter I-
DECwriter II- cabinet with SYSTIME SYSTAPE II unit (capstan also goo)- a few boxes, one
contains a complete RH11-AB- RT-11 V5.4 SRC micro fiche (#1 - #86) in two envelopes
complete with the Bill of Material!- complete RT-11 V4 manual set in blue binders-
complete RT-11 V5 manual set in orange bindersNeedless to say that my wife was not so glad
when I got home :-)I took pictures while unloading, and they will be on my
website,probably a good moment to do that are the Xmas holidays ...I plan to get rid of
most of this, and use parts to get otherunits in my collection restored into working
order. The 11/45will go to Edward, the 11/55 is a great addition to my UNIBUSmachines
collection.Most of the stuff will probably be too heavy to ship ...I disassembled the
BA-11F with the comm stuff. The completepower harnass is for whom it wants/needs. I can
take pictures.The BA11 contained two DR11-B 4-slot backplanes, populated withM7219, M208
(2x) M7821, M796, M205, M^11 (2x) M112, M113, M239and an M9680 DR11-B test connector
board, power 'paddle' board,and connector board M9760 with two cables attached to
it withon the other end one connector board (single height) M908?That single height
connector board went into a small rack-mountunit with a 2-row backplane containing the
folowing boards:M5950 (8x), M3020 (3x), M205 (5x), M111, M112, M306, M611 andone onit has
M113 (3x) and the other unit has M113 (1x) andM1131 (2x). One unit was marked
"RX", the other was marked "TX".On the side of the backplane is a
label with this text:DIGITAL CSS P/N 2M-C121A S/N NU00001 DX40AB.The other unit has the
same lable, but S/N is NU00002!Each unit has its own power supply, H716A.I elaborated a
bit more about the comm stuff, because I reallydon't have a use for it, unless
dismantling it. So, if somebodywants this (DR11-B or DX40 or everything), let me know.I
have no idea what the things weigh, so neither do I know whatthe shipping costs would be.
Free pick up in The Netherlands :-)
allthough recovering some money from hiring the truck would be nice.I am also looking for
two buttons of the TU45. They are damaged.It's the lower two on the control panel,
"FILE PROT" and "1600BPI".thanks,Henk
25 Nov
25 Nov
4:35 a.m.
second try ... it seems like Outlook Express settings are still not ok ...
Hope this post is more readable!
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Hi all,
Last week I hired a truck to pick up a "few" things ...
- H960 rack with PDP-11/45 and a Cypher 100 tape drive
("not working" sticker attached to the Cypher)
- H960 rack with PDP-11/55 with 28k fast memory
(according to the post-it attached to it)
- H960 rack with TU45 ("seems complete" says the post-it)
- H960 rack with TU16 (capstan rooler is goo)
- H960 rack with communications stuff (see below)
- two RK07 disk drives
- RM03 disk drive
- RM03P disk pack with diagnostics
- two DECprinter I
- DECwriter II
- cabinet with SYSTIME SYSTAPE II unit (capstan also goo)
- a few boxes, one contains a complete RH11-AB
- RT-11 V5.4 SRC micro fiche (#1 - #86)
in two envelopes complete with the Bill of Material!
- complete RT-11 V4 manual set in blue binders
- complete RT-11 V5 manual set in orange binders
- Bell & HOwell micro fiche reader in an attache suitcase
Needless to say that my wife was not so glad when I got home :-)
I took pictures while unloading, and they will be on my website,
probably a good moment to do that are the Xmas holidays ...
I plan to get rid of most of this, and use parts to get other
units in my collection restored into working order. The 11/45
will go to Edward, the 11/55 is a great addition to my UNIBUS
machines collection.
Most of the stuff will probably be too heavy to ship ...
I disassembled the BA-11F with the comm stuff. The complete
power harnass is for whom it wants/needs. I can take pictures.
The BA11 contained two DR11-B 4-slot backplanes, populated with
M7219, M208 (2x) M7821, M796, M205, M^11 (2x) M112, M113, M239
and an M9680 DR11-B test connector board, power 'paddle' board,
and connector board M9760 with two cables attached to it with
on the other end one connector board (single height) M908?
That single height connector board went into a small rack-mount
unit with a 2-row backplane containing the folowing boards:
M5950 (8x), M3020 (3x), M205 (5x), M111, M112, M306, M611 and
one onit has M113 (3x) and the other unit has M113 (1x) and
M1131 (2x). One unit was marked "RX", the other was marked "TX".
On the side of the backplane is a label with this text:
DIGITAL CSS P/N 2M-C121A S/N NU00001 DX40AB.
The other unit has the same lable, but S/N is NU00002!
Each unit has its own power supply, H716A.
I elaborated a bit more about the comm stuff, because I really
don't have a use for it, unless dismantling it. So, if somebody
wants this (DR11-B or DX40 or everything), let me know.
I have no idea what the things weigh, so neither do I know what
the shipping costs would be. Free pick up in The Netherlands :-)allthough recovering some
money from hiring the truck would be nice.
I am also looking for two buttons of the TU45. They are damaged.
It's the lower two on the control panel, "FILE PROT" and
"1600BPI".
thanks,Henk
10:04 p.m.
Henk Gooijen wrote:
second try ... it seems like Outlook Express settings
are still not ok ...
Hope this post is more readable!
Jerome Fine replies:
Your second attempt could actually be read!
- RT-11 V5.4 SRC micro fiche (#1 - #86)
in two envelopes complete with the Bill of Material!
- complete RT-11 V4 manual set in blue binders
- complete RT-11 V5 manual set in orange binders
I have been intending to ask Al Kossow if he has been
able to scan copies of the various RT-11 DOC sets.
However, it seems a bit unreasonable to attempt to
scan anything except the latest versions - which are
still copyright - except that it may no longer be possible
to purchase them from Mentec (has anyone recently tried?)
In that situation, DEC always allowed out of print manuals
to be copied - especially if the user already owned a valid
RT-11 license. If the intended use was non-commercial,
DEC also seemed agreeable, however, now that Mentec/HP are
involved, the situation may be very different.
Note that a complete RT-11 DOC set was about 10,000 pages
starting with V05.00 of RT-11. For V05.06 of RT-11, there
were 13 binders. V05.07 was almost identical with the ONLY
difference being the name "COMPAQ" on the heavy paper front
page with the window AND the V05.07 Release Notes - otherwise,
all of the rest of the DOC set was identical to V05.06 DOC set
of RT-11.
As for the SRC fiche, it would be interesting to see if they
are the same as the SRC distribution set of files for V05.04
of RT-11. Although the actual files are much more useful, the
fiche do serve as a hard copy backup. Is there any way that
a small file could be used as a comparison?
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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10:39 p.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
In article <474A37A0.1020906 at compsys.to>,
"Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to> writes:
Note that a complete RT-11 DOC set was about 10,000
pages
starting with V05.00 of RT-11. For V05.06 of RT-11, there
were 13 binders.
Really?
Does anyone know the title of the binders?
I have a PDP-11/03 w/RT-11 and it included just a few binders, so I
didn't think the doc set was that large.
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11:04 p.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
Richard wrote....
Really?
Yes
Does anyone know the title of the binders?
I'm not up for going downstairs and writing the titles down just now. But
there's about 13 of them, I'd guess the line of manual binders is perhaps 3
feet long.
I have a PDP-11/03 w/RT-11 and it included just a few
binders, so I
didn't think the doc set was that large.
That would not be a complete
documentation set.
Jay
11:19 p.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
At 10:04 PM -0600 11/25/07, Jay West wrote:
Richard wrote....
Good grief, that is a lot larger than any doc set I've ever seen for
RT-11. I had V3, V4 (both donated to the Library), and still have
5.0x (I think 5.04). I'd be interested in knowing the titles as well.
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Really?
Yes
Does anyone know the title of the binders?
I'm not up for going downstairs and writing the titles down just
now. But there's about 13 of them, I'd guess the line of manual
binders is perhaps 3 feet long.
I have a PDP-11/03 w/RT-11 and it included just a
few binders, so I
didn't think the doc set was that large.
That would not be a complete
documentation set.
Jay
26 Nov
26 Nov
8:56 a.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 10:04 PM
-0600 11/25/07, Jay West wrote:
Richard
wrote....
Does anyone know the title of the binders?
I'm not up for going downstairs and writing the titles down just now.
But there's about 13 of them, I'd guess the line of manual binders is
perhaps 3 feet long. I have a PDP-11/03 w/RT-11 and it included just a few
binders, so I
didn't think the doc set was that large.
That would not be a complete documentation set.
Jay
10:36 a.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
In article <474AD072.6030906 at compsys.to>,
"Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinedp3k at compsys.to> writes:
And the layered products are another set of manuals,
so a total set of
RT-11 DOCs will probably be well over 4 feet. Included would be
FORTRAN IV, FORTRAN 77, BASIC, Multi-User Basic, PASCAL
and C. Can anyone name any other layered products produced by DEC
(I seem to remember that PASCAL was not produced by DEC)?
DIBOL? My RT-11 machine came with a DIBOL manual (paperback book).
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2:32 p.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs BOM
Someone wrote....
> Good grief, that is a lot larger than any doc set
I've ever seen for
> RT-11. I had V3, V4 (both donated to the Library), and still have 5.0x
> (I think 5.04). I'd be interested in knowing the titles as well.
Ok, I took the time to look up the specifics for my own set. The set is for
RT-11 v5.0, and is dated March 1983. These DEC-badged orange manuals have a
DEC-made printed insert on the spine with labled number/letter pairs and a
list of what manuals are in that binder. Each "title" in the binder is in
fact a separate manual. Note that none of these document "options", they are
all manuals covering the base system with the exception of the BASIC &
Fortran IV manuals. The entire set is 28.5 inches long with the two optional
manuals, or 23 inches long without those two. Also, reading the "Guide to
Documentation" gives me the impression that this is the normal set sent out
with RT-11 at the time and not just an "expanded set". I could be wrong.
Binder 1A
Guide to Documentation
System Release Notes
Introduction to RT-11
Binder 1B
Installation Guide
Binder 1C
System Generation Guide
Binder 2A
System Users Guide
Binder 2B
System Utilities Guide
Binder 2C
System Messages Manual
Master Index
Binder 2D
Keypad Editor Users Guide
TECO Users Guide
Binder 3A
Programmers Reference Manual
Macro-11 Language Reference Manual
Binder 3B
Software Support Manual
I'd hate to try running an RT-11 system with just a subset of the above
manuals, I don't see any that would be "ok I can do without that" - but
that's a fairly subjective statement on my part.
According to the Guide to Documentation, also included in the above set (I
have all the following too) is an RT-11 Automatic Installation Booklet, an
RT-11 Mini Reference Manual (mine is in a short mini orange binder too), and
a paperback book titled "Intro to BASIC" (not to be confused with the DEC
manual). In addition, in binder 2D is included the TECO Pocket Guide and the
PDP-11 Keypad Editor Reference Card.
Then I have two optional manuals also in DEC orange binders with DEC-printed
labels on the spine as follows:
In one binder (no label at the top of the spine other than "RT-11 v5.0")
BASIC-11/RT-11 Installation Guide & Release Notes
BASIC-11/RT-11 User's Guide
BASIC-11 Language Reference Manual
In another binder labled "RT-11 Fortran IV"
Language Reference Manual
User's Guide
Installation Guide & Release Notes
Hope that helps!
Jay West
5:41 a.m.
New subject: RT-11 docs (was: PDP-11 comm stuff (and more) from a haul available)
On Monday 26 November 2007 04:04:25 Jay West wrote:
I'm not up for going downstairs and writing the
titles down just now. But
there's about 13 of them, I'd guess the line of manual binders is perhaps 3
feet long.
Sounds about like mine. Not sure about 13 of them, but IIRC I have volumes
1-5 with some having letters, like 2a, 2b, 2c and so on.
More on this when I get home.
Gordon
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