31 Oct
2002
31 Oct
'02
2:45 a.m.
And thusly Jens =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nfeld?= spake:
At 10:49 AM 10/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Am I correct in saying that the C1 now can
"be" many other
non-Commodore systems instead of a system with a native mode and just
the C64 mode?
Right. I'm really looking forward to playing Atari 2600 games on it, and to
turn it into my first machine ever, the Sinclair ZX-81.
I visited Jeri and Courtney this summer in Miami, and only a day after I
left, Jeri wrote to me and said that she had produced a version that makes
the board a VIC-20.
Although Jeri never really told the Schneider-CPC guys that she would help
them making a new machine (they announced it, but did not get her
permission), her board is now the "universal Retro-computer replacement". I
guess Schneider CPC is a fairly low priority, 'cause neither me, nor any of
my friends ever owned one, but it's possible. Just download a file from the
internet, write it to the CF card, plug it in and you have a new machine.
That's what "reconfigurable computer" is about.
ciao,
--
Jens Sch=F6nfeld 
31 Oct
31 Oct
8:57 a.m.
New subject: OT: Best programming suite recommendations.
Hi,
I just saw another post from someone mentioning a layoff
(my Best Wishes to you too) and I thought it worth while
speaking up on this. Let's face it, unless you're in
with the GOV in some special way, it is probably Not good
to specialize in obsoletecomp for all of your computing.
So I'm looking for what you out there have voted for as
your programming environments (for those of you who
program, probably over 50+ACU-).
I have been looking at MS Visual Studio for some time and
NOT buying mainly because it seems like there is no choice
in the matter. Where are the other good prog. environments?
The ad for MS VStudio shows a guy with serious posture
problems (get it? No backbone.) and I'm not too ready for
that experience. Sun/Solaris/Intel has been phased out.
Phillippe is sleeping with the starfishes.
I guess that leaves only something for Linux.
Your votes, please.
John A.
11:43 a.m.
New subject: Best programming suite recommendations.
Your votes, please.
I'm not usually one to be sold on Microsoft hype, but I am quite
impressed with Visual Studio .NET; it has a few rough edges that need to
be cleaned up in the next service release or version, but it is a vast
and huge improvement over their previous Visual Studio products (esp.
Visual Basic). Of course, if your anti-Windows then you won't want it.
But if you put your feelings aside and want to learn a tool that will be
most useful in the job market, I think VS.NET is a good one to know.
- Bob Lafleur
(programmer for 25+ years)
11:52 a.m.
New subject: Best programming suite recommendations.
I'm not usually one to be sold on Microsoft hype,
but I am quite
impressed with Visual Studio .NET; it has a few rough edges that need
to
be cleaned up in the next service release or version,
but it is a vast
and huge improvement over their previous Visual Studio products (esp.
Visual Basic). Of course, if your anti-Windows then you won't want it.
But if you put your feelings aside and want to learn a tool that will
be
most useful in the job market, I think VS.NET is a
good one to know.
Heh. I'm a little anti-XP... but not anti-Windows per se.
I'm holding at Visual Studio 6 because I can't afford the upgrade to
.NET.<g>
-wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/
A business is as honest as its advertisements.
.
12:34 p.m.
New subject: Best programming suite recommendations.
if you put your feelings aside and want to learn a
tool that
will be most useful in the job market, I think VS.NET is a
good one to know.
What I am trolling for is people who have bought into it and
have been burned. I used v4 and v5 and had mildly positive
experiences, but was disappointed with them overall.
example: ask for a help lookup on an overloaded function on
compiled and linked (read: external references resolved) code.
The help system listed all the operation loadings and had you
pick one, dummmm.
if your anti-Windows then you won't want it.
Pro-quality, mainly.
John A.
12:55 p.m.
New subject: Best programming suite recommendations.
I used VS5 a lot, but refused to move to VS6 because Microsoft had some
bugs in VS5 that weren't fixed in 6, and they wouldn't even acknowledge
they were bugs and document them in their knowledge base... They could
easily be reproduced with a 12-step process. So out of principle, I
wouldn't use VS6. Also, VS6 had some pretty major problems of it's own
in it's early versions.
VS.NET is a whole new animal. Therefore, the initial versions (even
though there were many betas) will still have some flaws. But Microsoft
has .NET as a long-term strategy, and they've thrown a lot of the old
stuff away to pave the way for new technology. VS.NET is one of the best
new things I've seen in quite a while. I would *not* consider myself
burned with VS.NET. I would have felt that way with VS6 if it had been
my money that purchased it.
There are plenty of books on VS.NET out now. If you're not quite sure,
get a book and read it before investing in the software. Also, you can
get the .NET SDK which includes all the runtime, plus the compilers for
free. You just don't get the fancy IDE, but you can write and compile
any .NET code you want with just the SDK.
I was a little overwhelmed with the VS.NET IDE at first. But I'm quickly
becoming very comfortable with it. I really like the popups that happen
while you're typing in code, so you know what your options are at every
step of the way. (Sometimes there's a few too many popups, but I guess
more is better than not enough).
If you have something specific you want to know, or want me to try and
see how it is handled, let me know (off-list, preferrably) and I'll do
what I can to help answer any questions you might have.
- Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-admin(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin@classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of John Allain
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:37 PM
To: CCTalk
Subject: Re: Best programming suite recommendations.
if you put your feelings aside and want to learn a
tool that will be
most useful in the job market, I think VS.NET is a good one to know.
What I am trolling for is people who have bought into it and
have been burned. I used v4 and v5 and had mildly positive experiences,
but was disappointed with them overall.
example: ask for a help lookup on an overloaded function on
compiled and linked (read: external references resolved) code. The help
system listed all the operation loadings and had you pick one, dummmm.
if your anti-Windows then you won't want it.
Pro-quality, mainly.
John A.
1 Nov
1 Nov
11:55 a.m.
New subject: OT: Best programming suite recommendations.
On Thursday, October 31, 2002, John Allain wrote:
So I'm looking for what you out there have voted
for as your programming
environments (for those of you who program, probably over 50%).
All of my recent projects (for the last year), paid and/or academic, have
been Java projects. I currently use NetBeans 3.4 as my Java IDE, with JDK
1.4.0, and it works very well. I do love Java.
All of the C/C++ development I've done has been in a UNIX environment, and
my 'I'DE there was GCC, Emacs, and all the other GNU tools.
The only Windows development I've done has been with Visual Basic, and that
has either been with VB6 or directly inside a MS Office app. VB is great for
throwing together quick-and-dirty apps, but attempting to work outside that
core capability profile generates only frustration. Example: multithreading.
You can do it (sort of) in VB6, but it requires things like invisible
windows with timer controls and other sorts of kludges.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
12:38 p.m.
New subject: OT: Best programming suite recommendations.
Jeffrey Sharp writes:
The only Windows development I've done has been with Visual Basic, and
that has either been with VB6 or directly inside a MS Office app. VB is
great for throwing together quick-and-dirty apps, but attempting to work
outside that core capability profile generates only frustration.
Example: multithreading. You can do it (sort of) in VB6, but it requires
things like invisible windows with timer controls and other sorts of
kludges.
Visual Basic has been TOTALLY revamped in Visual Studio.NET. Things that
were very hard or just about impossible to do before (such as your
example of multithreading, or command-line apps) are very easy and fully
supported now. Sorry, I don't want to sound like a Microsoft commerical,
but Visual Basic has been a "toy" language for so long that many people
are slow or unwilling to give the new version a serious look. It's
pretty easy to visualize the new Visual Basic.NET as C++ with "BASIC"
syntax rather than C syntax.
- Bob
2 Nov
2 Nov
10:56 a.m.
New subject: OT: Best programming suite recommendations.
On Friday, November 1, 2002, Bob Lafleur wrote:
Visual Basic has been TOTALLY revamped in Visual
Studio.NET. Things that
were very hard or just about impossible to do before (such as your example
of multithreading, or command-line apps) are very easy and fully supported
now.
OK. Now my other gripe:
I'm a poor student. How can I get a legal copy of VS.NET for cheap?
And I mean CHEAP.
Free-as-in-beer development tools happen to be really good at knocking down
barriers to entry.
--
Jeffrey Sharp
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