5 Sep
2012
5 Sep
'12
9:44 p.m.
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163 "Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
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Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
5 Sep
5 Sep
9:49 p.m.
thats the rack i bid and never got still out 1200$ fucking paypal
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com>wrote:
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
--
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
11:37 p.m.
passed the 40days or something
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:10 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/5/2012 9:49 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
thats the rack i bid and never got still out
1200$ fucking paypal
PayPal didn't get the money back for you ? They are usually pretty good
about protecting buyers.
11:48 p.m.
i filled an ic3 dompaint and i am in canada
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
passed the 40days or something
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:10 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/5/2012 9:49 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
thats the rack i bid and never got still out
1200$ fucking paypal
PayPal didn't get the money back for you ? They are usually pretty good
about protecting buyers.
6 Sep
6 Sep
7:06 p.m.
Do a charge back on your credit card - I sell my clocks via Paypal,
and one of my customers did this recently - about 6 months after they
received the goods -
Paypal, and the Credit Card companies unconditionally protect the
buyer - It makes it hard to run a business.
Doug
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Adrian Stoness <tdk.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
passed the 40days or something
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:10 AM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/5/2012 9:49 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
>
>> thats the rack i bid and never got still out 1200$ fucking paypal
>>
>>
>>
> PayPal didn't get the money back for you ? They are usually pretty good
> about protecting buyers.
>
--
Doug Jackson
VK1ZDJ
http://www.dougswordclock.com/ -< My clocks
http://www.vk1zdj.net -< My Amature Radio Activities
7 Sep
7 Sep
12:09 a.m.
Paypal, and the Credit Card companies unconditionally
protect the
buyer - It makes it hard to run a business.
Basically, yes, but if the buyer is trying to scam a seller (mostly by
invoking a warranty that does not exist for items sold explicitly
"as-is") and the seller puts up a good fight, Paypal will side with
the seller. I (as a seller) have had this happen twice in the past few
months, and I won both cases. In one of the instances, the buyer
pulling this trick has given me trouble in the past, scamming me at
hamfests, so I view my win as a nice victory.
> passed the 40days or something
>>> thats the rack i bid and never got still out 1200$ fucking paypal
40 days?!?!! At most auctions, live or internet, buyers forfeit their
goods if not collected or formally arranged for pickup after a week or
so - even if paid for. Adrian, sounds like your own fault for
dillydallying.
--
Will
12:39 a.m.
--- On Fri, 9/7/12, William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> wrote:
40 days?!?!! At most auctions, live or internet,
buyers
forfeit their
goods if not collected or formally arranged for pickup after
a week or
so - even if paid for. Adrian, sounds like your own fault
for
dillydallying.
I have been screwed in the past a time or two by taking a line of excuses from a seller
until the eBay/Paypal clock ran out. These were situations where the seller had been paid
both for the goods and shipping, and had simply failed to ship as promised. One seller
claimed he had been out of town volunteering with relief efforts for hurricane Katrina,
which sounded like a noble excuse until the seller vanished after having allegedly
returned home and assuring me the goods were on their way. These days, regardless of what
they say, I open a case with eBay if I don't have the stuff in my hands after a
reasonable allowance for shipping delay. It doesn't hurt their ratings, so I am told,
if the case is later closed by the buyer as resolved satisfactorily. If I think the
seller is acting in good faith, I'll say as much, that I'm just covering my butt
after having a few crooks abuse my patience in the past.
--Bill
5:06 a.m.
On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, William Maddox wrote:
I have been screwed in the past a time or two by
taking a line of
excuses from a seller until the eBay/Paypal clock ran out. These were
situations where the seller had been paid both for the goods and
shipping, and had simply failed to ship as promised.
Similar situation here with the purchase of a mint Xerox 820-II system.
Despite numerous pleas on my part it was apparently packed by trained
chimps and arrived smashed to shards. The seller kept promising me a
refund if I avoided opening a dispute - I got busy with Real Life in the
meantime and he succeeded in running out the clock, closing his eBay
account and disappearing while I was distracted.
Last time I play Mr. Nice Guy.
(Happy ending: I laboriously glued the case back together, straightened
out bent frames, replaced chips torn (!) from their sockets, etc. The
bugger ultimately worked. Figure $5-600 of my time to rebuild a $100 unit
that shouldn't have required rework in the first place.)
These days, regardless of what they say, I open a case
with eBay if I
don't have the stuff in my hands after a reasonable allowance for
shipping delay.
Amen.
Steve
--
7:50 a.m.
These days, regardless of what they say, I open a case
with eBay if I don't have the stuff in my hands after a reasonable allowance for
shipping delay. It doesn't hurt their ratings, so I am told, if the case is later
closed by the buyer as resolved satisfactorily. If I think the seller is acting in good
faith, I'll say as much, that I'm just covering my butt after having a few crooks
abuse my patience in the past.
Yes, this is the best thing to do, because it gives everyone an "out"
with relatively no bad effects. However, it is always good to
communicate before opening a case. For a seller, having a case opened
with no warning is pretty much a kick in the balls. When buyers do it
to me, they instantly go on my blocked bidder list, and never come
off. This was a real problem in the old days, when Ebay had no "safe
period", and a buyer could open a case just a few days after an
auction ended. I remember one auction where I was slapped with a case
sooner that the material could actually arrive if I had shipped the
instant the auction was over.
Anyway, I do not know the specifics of this whole case with the rack,
but at the surface, I think the seller is jumping the gun as far as
relisting is concerned, because Adrian should be able to reopen the
case with Paypal if he really has been trying to get the equipment
shipped - in which case the seller is in big trouble. I have certainly
reopened cases after 40 days for various reasons. However, if Adrian
has just been waiting as the time ticks away, with little or no
communication, there may end up being no joy.
--
Will
1:48 p.m.
> These days, regardless of what they say, I open a case with eBay if I don't have
the stuff in my hands after a reasonable allowance for shipping delay. It doesn't
hurt their ratings, so I am told, if the case is later closed by the buyer as resolved
satisfactorily. If I think the seller is acting in good faith, I'll say as
much, that I'm just covering my butt after having a few crooks abuse my patience in
the past.
Yes, this is the best thing to do, because it gives everyone an "out"
with relatively no bad effects. However, it is always good to
communicate before opening a case. For a seller, having a case opened
Agreed. I try to be reasonable about this. I realise that many sellers
have 'real' jobs, and certainly don't expect things to be shipped on the
day the auction finishes.
However, uless the selelr indicates to the contrary (for example 'Due to
my job, I can only get to the post office on Saturdays'), I do expect
things ot be shipped within a few days.
And I have a reasoanble idea of how long the shipping should take. If I
don't get anything within a reasoable period, I try to cotnact the
seller. My first message is of the form 'I have not receiced the <foo> I
purchased from you, has there been a problem'. Of coruse, if it's an
international seller and they provide a tracking number for the parcel, I
sue that to see what is going on.
One time a parcel was delayed in shipment. For some reason it got stuck
in a warehouse in a US airport for about 6 weeks. The seller was
extremely helpful. THey provided tracking numbers, etc. I could see what
was going on. THey thought ht has been lost in the post, and offered me a
full refund. My reply was that as they were a dealer in such equipment,
and that the unit was not expeically rare, I owuld be happy if they kept
the money until they got another one in stock and sent me that. As it
happened, the one I'd paid for turned up a couple of days later. Needless
to say I contacted the seller to say I'd got it, that I was very happy
both with the unit and with the wya they had handled things.
I have only had 2 poor experiences. One time a machine appeared to have
been damaged in shipping, I am not so sure. But the samge was fairly
minor (HP9826s are built like brick outhoses, only yhe case was cracked,
the PCBs and even the CRT was fine). The machine was worth what I'd paid
for it in the condition it had arrived in. So I guess I was happy-ish.
The other time was more serious, The seller kept on saying he'd
dispatched the item ('Sorry, I didn';t get to the post office on Friday,
I'll send tomorrow'). Nothign turned up. And then the seller
de-registered from E-bay. That time I did raise a case with Ebay. And did
get a fukl refund from Paypal. But I had tried, repeatedly, to contact
the seller to find otu what was going on before I complained to Ebay/Paypal.
-tony
12:52 a.m.
On Fri, 7 Sep 2012, William Donzelli wrote:
Unless the company fails to ship said goods/pallets out. This happened to
me, with ~4 pallets worth of stuff "missing" on arrival of the rest of the
load (they failed to put those pallets on the truck). It took me better
than 6 months and a lot of fighting to get my money back.
Paypal, and
the Credit Card companies unconditionally protect the buyer
- It makes it hard to run a business.
Basically, yes, but if the buyer is trying to scam a seller (mostly by
invoking a warranty that does not exist for items sold explicitly
"as-is") and the seller puts up a good fight, Paypal will side with the
seller. I (as a seller) have had this happen twice in the past few
months, and I won both cases. In one of the instances, the buyer pulling
this trick has given me trouble in the past, scamming me at hamfests, so
I view my win as a nice victory.
> passed the 40days or something
>>> thats the rack i bid and never got still out 1200$ fucking paypal
40 days?!?!! At most auctions, live or internet, buyers forfeit their
goods if not collected or formally arranged for pickup after a week or
so - even if paid for. Adrian, sounds like your own fault for
dillydallying.
7:54 a.m.
Unless the company fails to ship said goods/pallets
out. This happened to
me, with ~4 pallets worth of stuff "missing" on arrival of the rest of the
load (they failed to put those pallets on the truck). It took me better than
6 months and a lot of fighting to get my money back.
Yes, that is why I put the "formally arranged" bit in there. You did
your part, they did not do there's.
Perhaps "formally" is the wrong word - maybe "in good faith" is
better.
--
Will
6 Sep
6 Sep
11:30 p.m.
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012, Adrian Stoness wrote:
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:10 AM, mc68010 <mc68010
at gmail.com> wrote:
If you want your money back, file a police report with the local police
department and then forward that information onto the _Executive
Escalations_ group within Paypal. To get them via the phone, call Paypal
and demand a manager when you speak to the first level support people,
then tell the manager you want to speak with someone in Executive
Escalations. The amount in question is over USD $1000, so the local police
department should take it seriously.
On 9/5/2012 9:49 PM, Adrian Stoness wrote:
passed the 40days or something thats the rack i bid and never got still out
1200$ fucking paypal
PayPal didn't get the money back for you ? They are usually pretty good
about protecting buyers.
5 Sep
5 Sep
11:15 p.m.
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Adrian Stoness wrote:
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Lyle Bickley
<lbickley at bickleywest.com>wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Computer-Equipment-Pertec-T6840-9-45-U2-DEC…
If you haven't already, you should contact the police department where
they are located (Malden, Massachusetts?) and file a fraud report along
with copies of your Paypal payment. Then, send a copy of the police report
to Paypal. That should get you a refund and hopefully a nice officer will
knock on their door too.
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
thats the rack i bid and never got still out 1200$ fucking paypal 
9:59 p.m.
On 9/5/2012 9:44 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
Isn't this the same one someone here bought and never received ? This
was relisted before by a "business partner" if so. Sounded kind of fishy.
10:22 p.m.
yes it is and that someone is me
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:59 PM, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/5/2012 9:44 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
Isn't this the same one someone here bought and never received ? This was
relisted before by a "business partner" if so. Sounded kind of fishy.
10:03 p.m.
Lyle Bickley wrote:
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
Hi Lyle,
Shouldn't it be "Oxygen sensor for Ford Explorer"? Of course, If
shipping for a ford explorer was $5.00, I would be suspicious.
Cheers,
jimd
6 Sep
6 Sep
3:36 p.m.
From: jimpdavis at gorge.net
Lyle Bickley wrote:
Still, if you bought an O2 sensor for a Ford Explorer and foundit only fit on a
Navigator or a Chevie Suburban, you'd be pissed.Dwight
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
Here is the seller's reply: "This auction is not for the PDP8/S (no
PDP8/S included), but this is part of the PDP8/S equipment. Comparable
Example: 1997 Ford Explorer / O2 Sensor / Oxygen Sensor
Thanks for your interest, and good luck with your bidding!"
It is highly unlikely (impossible?) that a slow PDP-8/S would have
peripherals as such as two RK05's and a PERTEC 6840. Sigh..
Cheers,
Lyle
Hi Lyle,
Shouldn't it be "Oxygen sensor for Ford Explorer"? Of course, If
shipping for a ford explorer was $5.00, I would be suspicious.
Cheers,
jimd
6:45 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:44:46 -0700, Lyle Bickley wrote
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
www.ebay.com/itm/200814830163 -> Report Item -> Listing practices -> Search and
browse manipulation -> Misleading title
--
Kevin Schoedel <schoedel at kw.igs.net> VA3TCS
11:25 p.m.
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012, schoedel at kw.igs.net wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2012 21:44:46 -0700, Lyle Bickley wrote
Those links don't do much good now after eBay and Paypal fired the people
who used to handle this stuff in the US office and outsourced their
"support" group to an overseas contract labor company.
I contacted the seller of item #200814830163
"Vintage Computer
Equipment / Pertec T6840-9-45 U2 / DEC PDP8/S Digital Equipment" and
asked that since I didn't see a PDP8/S in any of the pictures if one
was included in the auction (per the description).
www.ebay.com/itm/200814830163 -> Report Item -> Listing practices ->
Search and browse manipulation -> Misleading title
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