On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote:
On Sep 17, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Tothwolf wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote:
On Sep 16, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Tothwolf wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2012, Robert Borsuk wrote:
> I have a Sequent SE20 with Dynix installed. I also have the terminal to go with it.
> It use to boot but I didn't have the password.
> Any interst for $150 before I part it out.
> Located in New Baltimore, MI. 48047 or I can make it available in Port Huron, MI.
48060
>
> Quick pic at :
http://www.borsuk.info/ebay/sequent.jpg
Part out a Sequent SE20? You are kidding, right? As uncommon as these
are, parting one out would be very ill-advised and there would be
nearly no demand for individual parts. If freight wouldn't be a deal
killer, I'd be after this one myself, but I'm nowhere near there and
these things are heavy. I generally hunt for older Unix systems for
free/open source software porting work, and one of the target
platforms I've never been able to test with is Dynix.
I'm not going to part it out to sell, I'm going to scrap it. I've had
this for a couple of years and now I'm offering it to the list. I'm
not breaking the bank at $150 but I've been out of work for 6 months
and I need to make sure I have money for my bills and family. I'll get
just under this in scrap value. I'm sorry but I need the money more
then I need this machine.
I've been out of work longer than that yet you don't see me posting
"Give me money or the computer gets it" messages to classiccmp. If Jay
were around these days you'd probably have been removed from the list
for even posting such stuff.
Hi All,
I'm going to post this to the list. I hate getting involved or starting
with flame wars / or character bashing but I think I'm pretty nice and
don't deserve this.
Character bashing? I did no such thing. I posted your actual response
word-for-word right here so everyone can see what you sent me. I also
don't top-post, and I'm reformatting the mess you sent.
I offer the computer up to the list before scrapping
or ebay or
whatever.
No, you said part it out, /implying/ eBay, etc and a much longer time
frame. When I responded, but didn't respond with an offer of a wad of
money, you attempted to pull a classic "Give me money or the [bunny
rabbit|cute puppy|etc] gets it" and I do not take kindly to such
"extortion".
It seems that Tothwolf was nice enough to post to the
list my response
to him but not his response to me.
Your sarcasm has been duly noted but it is irrelevant to the discussion at
hand.
There were a number of off-list responses and discussions among various
list members regarding your post which you didn't see. Based on those that
I saw, I strongly suspect you really /don't/ want to see them, either. The
phrase "WTF" was certainly used more than once.
There's a bunch of you on the list who I've
worked with in the past and
I'm happy to work with you in the future.
Similar, but it might be best to avoid the whole "seniority" thing. While
I may have been inactive for a number of years due to a number of factors,
I've been around these parts for a very long time myself.
To call a spade a spade, it's my computer. I paid
for it. I can do
what I want with it.
Indeed. And I too will also call a spade a spade. The computer may be
yours with which to do whatever you want, but you known darn well if you
had posted your "buy this [rare] machine from me right now or I scrap it"
message you'd have gotten some less than kind replies. As I said, I've
seen people removed from this list in years past for posting the sort of
message you sent me. At the very least it can be considered trolling.
To clarify one major point, this is very different from people who end up
with large machines that no one actually wants and that they can't house
forever (ala free for local pickup, /or/ beer money + shipping costs).
Instead, your response was pretty much akin to those late night HSUS
infomercials. [I'll gladly give money directly to local non-kill shelters,
but I'll be damned if I'll give /any/ money to a fund raising/pr only
group that gives nearly nothing to the actual hands-on local groups.]
http://www.examiner.com/article/what-is-the-truth-about-the-humane-society-…
I've made it no secret that I'm out of work
and I have to pair down my
collection.
Do we need a poll? How about a show of hands? I know for a fact there are
a large number of us here on the list who are either unemployed or
underemployed. From personal experience, I think the latter may actually
be worse.
Some I sell, ie Sequent and I made my AMT Dap
available on the list,
others might have to be parted out (ie non functioning systems). Some
might have to go to scrap (ie. Diablo drives that people don't want to
ship). I don't like that I have to do this, it's just a fact of life.
I have bills to pay and I don't want to lose my house and other things I
do value. I'm not saying boo-hoo poor me. I'm just stating a fact. I
have lots of beautiful systems that will stay with me for quite some
time more and I won't let them go until the very end.
All this said, don't beat me up for what I have to
do. I think I was
being good by offering it up to the list. I paid more then $150 for it
but I just don't have an interest in it. With all this said, I'm going
to coordinate with who wrote me first, second etc. and get this system
to a new home.
You don't have to scrap the machine, period. If you need cash, your other
non-destructive option is to sell the more desirable and more readily
available stuff from your "collection" and then re-purchase those items
when you are on better footing. A lot of list members have done this. For
example, is that a SGI system I see in the background of your Sequent
photo?
On the other hand, trying to tug on people's heart strings by threatening
to destroy a unique, functional and irreplaceable system will very much
get you the sort of response you got from me.
I certainly could have flamed you into oblivion (There are a few here who
can vouch for my linguistic abilities and my talent for balancing flame
with substance) but because even now I /still/ want to give you the
benefit of the doubt, I've tried to keep it strictly matter of fact while
explaining my own point of view.
I hope someone does claim the system and I certainly hope you find a way
to work out your financial troubles. Being unemployed or underemployed
/sucks/ and it isn't something I'd wish on someone. Before you sent that
reply to me, I forwarded your initial message onto a number of others who
aren't active here, so maybe that helped generate some leads for you.