----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Vendel" <curt(a)atarimuseum.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:05 AM Subject: Re: TRON... Many films are shot using various parts of Livermore, especially the gigantic three story tall van de Graf generator room. I think an episode of the X-Files was shot there. Also, many huge computer room shots are taken I wonder where the Syd Mead designed computer desk Dillinger designed is being kept...

I guess nowhere. The desk (realy an old geeks dream), was just glas and back projection, no real funktion :( I most definitly suggest to get the DVD. Unlike most other DVDs, all the supplementery stuff is woth the money. They point out everything in the comentary tracks. It may destroy some deams about how they did it, but then it's full of geek stories. They did realy put in a lot of computer thinking - or at least they are claiming now in a beliveable way. Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

Hans Franke wrote: November 1982 issue of Byte was a nice artice about it too. cheers

Fred Cisin wrote: Title ? ISBN ? Anybody has it ? ;-)

ISBN: 0671455753 abebooks.com finds one copy in a bookstore in Arvada, CA - but it's $200.00. Seems it's fairly rare... FYI John

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003, emanuel stiebler wrote: When I can find it, I'd discount substantially below THAT! In some of my classes, I used to show and discuss TRON and "Last Starfighter" ("first" computer graphics movie that wasn't obsessed with having been computer graphics.) Somewhere (not seen since I closed my office) I have TRON on VHS, and the book. In addition, at SigGraph, there were a bunch of stills from TRON included in the demo pictures. Sellam bought my carousel tray with those. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

Even in the intro classes, I try to include SOME decent content (and more about the history than most of the students want to hear). I used to teach a computer graphics programming class. It wasn't very popular, since a lot of the students that signed up for it expected to be able to create commercial quality REAL TIME animated graphics without programming. Only a few of the best students understood the idea of creating primitives, Bressenham's algorithm, etc. It's also a struggle getting people to understand that animation consists of creating one frame at a time, NOT aiming a camera at the screen while a microcomputer renders images at 30 frames per second. Most of the SigGraph demo slides that I had were from the era of beginning to be able to map surface textures onto 3D perspective images. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com www.merritt.edu/~fcisin

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Fred Cisin wrote: Ah, yes. Cool :) Those are readily accessible. I'll take a look at those the next time I'm at the office. I also have two copies of the Wendy Carlos TRON soundtrack on vinyl. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

I think the value would be in the media, not the software per se. I haven't seen A2's in schools anywhere which is a shame. For someone who really has the bug to learn computers from the inside and ML, the 6502 is the best documented and the easiest to learn. And yo're not a slave to Micro$lop. Any 5.25 media that isn't HD is almost impossible to find nowdays, for those of us who still dabble in the 8 bit world. Gary Hildebrand St. Joseph, MO snippppp

Yo, 5.25s are still easy to get - especialy since the Apple can be fed on almost any disk, what realy gets expensive today are 3.5 DDs (I got myself a few hunderd old Amiga disks). Gruss H. -- VCF Europa 5.0 am 01./02. Mai 2004 in Muenchen http://www.vcfe.org/

At 10:28 AM 11/13/03 -0600, ghldbrd(a)ccp.com wrote: Non of the standard use media is all that hard to find, just not off the shelf at Office Depot. I thought it might be at one time, but now that I have a pile of media it has no real "ebay" value, ie thousands of other people have stockpiles that from time to time get sold off, supply exceeds demand etc. I don't think a school still exists where they could or would pay even postage for A2 software, most are bound with sweetheart deals that effectively make some local vendor the only one they can use. The only real chance of stuff ending up in school is when a teacher or volunteer pays for it out of pocket. BTW Do the online software archives (Asmov?) have pretty much all of the A2 software, or is a lot of stuff still missing?

Thanks Hans... Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc: "Curt vendel" <curt(a)atarimuseum.com> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Any schools with Apple ][s need brand new software??? for others... go systems in packages

There is a third: "The Making of TRON" which was the actual book under discussion - and which seems to be made of an alloy of Unobtanium... On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Mike Cukr wrote: [snip] abebooks.com has over 250 different instances of the other two books, as well as game cheat-sheets, etc. Cheers John

Anyone know what TRON was rendered on? I know it was Cray hardware, but what software? I assume it was custom, and probably written in fortran :)

Fred Cisin wrote: In the SIGGRAPH'82 Conference Proceedings there is a picture of the Solar Sailer on the front cover and the Light Cycles on the back. The credits inside the back cover talk a little about how the images were made, and on page 289 is a paper by Craig Reynolds called "Computer Animation with Scipts and Actors" that talks about the ASAS program used to animate the Solar Sailer sequence. Bill SIGGRAPH'82 Proceedings ACM Computer Graphics Volume 16, Number 3 July 1982 R. Daniel Bergeron, Editor ACM Order Number 428820

At 02:43 PM 11/10/2003 -0600, you wrote: A little bit more clarification from Joe: --tom

Eric is right for sure on this: See http://www.tron-sector.com/articles/article.aspx?ID=30 for more info on the making of TRON and see http://vhost2.zfx.com/~dave/f1.html for more info on the Foonly F1 Computer. Lyle On Monday 10 November 2003 16:28, Eric Smith wrote: -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. Mountain View, CA 94040 "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"