10 Nov
2018
10 Nov
'18
8:24 a.m.
Hello everyone,
A week ago, I took possession of a second Ardent Titan graphics supercomputer, and unlike
the other Titan, this one is almost complete. There is one tiny bit missing, and that is a
mouse pad. The mouse used with this systems is a Mouse Systems M4 variant (M4Q), and it
does not appear to be a normal serial mouse. So, if anyone has one of those reflective
mousepads with a grid of fine blue and grey lines that they don?t need, I?d be very happy
to have it.
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in the y direction on it.
For those who want to know, the Titan is outfitted as follows:
2 x Titan P3 vector processors (using a MIPS R3000 for scalar operations)
2 x 64 MB main memory
Extended G2 Graphics
3 Maxtor 760 MB disks
QIC-120 tapedrive
19? trinitron monitor with stereo bezel and 3d glasses
Keyboard, mouse, knob box
Titan OS 4.2 installed (plus version 3.0, 4.1, and 4.2 installation tapes)
Dore, AVS, and PHIGS+ graphics environments
Vectorizing FORTRAN compiler with LINPACK, EISPACK, and FFT libraries
Matlab-Pro 3.5 (the Titan was the only computer ever that had Matlab as part of its
bundled programs)
Biodesign Biograf 3.0 molecular modeling application
All bits and pieces, and all software appears to work.
Camiel
10 Nov
10 Nov
9:48 a.m.
Congrats on that amazing find.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 5:24 PM Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech <
cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
A week ago, I took possession of a second Ardent Titan graphics
supercomputer, and unlike the other Titan, this one is almost complete.
There is one tiny bit missing, and that is a mouse pad. The mouse used with
this systems is a Mouse Systems M4 variant (M4Q), and it does not appear to
be a normal serial mouse. So, if anyone has one of those reflective
mousepads with a grid of fine blue and grey lines that they don?t need, I?d
be very happy to have it.
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in the y
direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the wrong
one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
There was another version of the print-it-yourself mouse pad that's
essentially just white noise, have you tried that?
For those who want to know, the Titan is outfitted as follows:
2 x Titan P3 vector processors (using a MIPS R3000 for scalar operations)
2 x 64 MB main memory
Extended G2 Graphics
3 Maxtor 760 MB disks
QIC-120 tapedrive
19? trinitron monitor with stereo bezel and 3d glasses
Keyboard, mouse, knob box
Titan OS 4.2 installed (plus version 3.0, 4.1, and 4.2 installation tapes)
Dore, AVS, and PHIGS+ graphics environments
Vectorizing FORTRAN compiler with LINPACK, EISPACK, and FFT libraries
Matlab-Pro 3.5 (the Titan was the only computer ever that had Matlab as
part of its bundled programs)
Biodesign Biograf 3.0 molecular modeling application
All bits and pieces, and all software appears to work.
Camiel
10:12 a.m.
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola" <rp at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the wrong one was that
the mouse would only move in one direction.
There was another version of the print-it-yourself mouse pad that's essentially just
white noise, have you tried that?
I know I need the one with the grid, because it?s shown in the documentation.
I have just created and printed a simple grid, with two lines per millimeter. If someone
has already created one that you can download and print that works, that would be great.
Camiel
10:39 a.m.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 7:12 PM Camiel Vanderhoeven <
camiel.vanderhoeven at vmssoftware.com> wrote:
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola" <rp
at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in the y
direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the wrong
one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
There was another version of the print-it-yourself mouse pad that's
essentially just white noise, have you tried that?
I know I need the one with the grid, because it?s shown in the
documentation.
the white noise mouse pad is not an official thing, but it's reported to
work for some optical mice. I haven't tried it myself. YMMV.
I have just created and printed a simple grid, with two lines per
millimeter. If someone has already created one that
you can download and
print that works, that would be great.
The pad has different resolutions for x and y axis, and one axis (x axis?)
seems to be more sensitive to wrong spacing (if the mouse only moves in one
direction it could also be a symptom of a mousepad rotated by 90 degrees).
So maybe you need to experiment with the grid size a bit.
Camiel
11 Nov
11 Nov
4:13 p.m.
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctech wrote:
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola" <rp
at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in
the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the
wrong one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
Out of curiosity, would it work if you printed this one-directional
grid on a translucent plastic and overlaid it on top of white paper
sheet? If yes, then would it work if you printed two such translucent
plastic grids and ovelaid them one on the other turned 90 degrees and
that on white paper?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
13 Nov
13 Nov
2:39 p.m.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:32 PM Tomasz Rola via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Camiel
Vanderhoeven via cctech
wrote:
I never tried, but I don't think this would work. AIUI, it has a minimum
and a maximum spacing for the lines.
The white noise sheet "works" because some the black-white-black
transitions come with the right spacing, no matter what that spacing is (it
has to be the right order of magnitude, and it doesn't work as well as the
real thing). Crumpled tin-foil has been reported to work, too.
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola"
<rp at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in
the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the
wrong one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
Out of curiosity, would it work if you printed this one-directional
grid on a translucent plastic and overlaid it on top of white paper
sheet? If yes, then would it work if you printed two such translucent
plastic grids and ovelaid them one on the other turned 90 degrees and
that on white paper?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
5:18 p.m.
here's one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/192719727693
do you know if it needs a original coarse or fine grid pad?
I'm surprised you don't have any Sun optical mice kicking around.
11:38 p.m.
On 11/14/18, 2:18 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Al Kossow via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
here's one
https://www.ebay.com/itm/192719727693
Thanks, I've bought another one from the same seller. I'll let you know if it
works when it comes in.
do you know if it needs a original coarse or fine grid pad?
From what I understand, the M4 uses the newer fine grid
pad, and given the "M4Q" model number on my mouse, I hope that's true of
this one too.
I'm surprised you don't have any Sun optical mice kicking around.
I do, just not any of the pads, and I never went out of my way to find one, but now that I
have a system with no other option for a mouse...
Camiel
6:32 p.m.
There's a blue-and-black grid, and an all-black grid, at least with Sun
mice. Mice that work on one won't work on the other. At least with the
blue-and-black grid, spacing didn't seem to matter -- I've got three sizes
of spacing, all three work with the mice that support it.
Not sure if it applies to your situation, but the Mouse Systems mice with
two holes, one emitting red light, work with the blue-and-black pads, and
the newer Sun mice with a single hole works on the black grid. The
blue-and-black grid looks metallic blue until you take a close look with a
lighted magnifier.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:40 PM Rico Pajarola via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:32 PM Tomasz Rola via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Camiel
Vanderhoeven via cctech
wrote:
I never tried, but I don't think this would work. AIUI, it has a minimum
and a maximum spacing for the lines.
The white noise sheet "works" because some the black-white-black
transitions come with the right spacing, no matter what that spacing is (it
has to be the right order of magnitude, and it doesn't work as well as the
real thing). Crumpled tin-foil has been reported to work, too.
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola"
<rp at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in
the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the
wrong one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
Out of curiosity, would it work if you printed this one-directional
grid on a translucent plastic and overlaid it on top of white paper
sheet? If yes, then would it work if you printed two such translucent
plastic grids and ovelaid them one on the other turned 90 degrees and
that on white paper?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
11:42 p.m.
It is a mouse systems mouse, model M4Q, and it has the two holes (one red light, one
infrared), so I'll need the blue-and-black grid. I've hopefully bought a correct
one off eBay, just waiting for it to arrive.
Camiel
?On 11/14/18, 3:32 AM, "cctalk on behalf of systems_glitch via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There's a blue-and-black grid, and an all-black grid, at least with Sun
mice. Mice that work on one won't work on the other. At least with the
blue-and-black grid, spacing didn't seem to matter -- I've got three sizes
of spacing, all three work with the mice that support it.
Not sure if it applies to your situation, but the Mouse Systems mice with
two holes, one emitting red light, work with the blue-and-black pads, and
the newer Sun mice with a single hole works on the black grid. The
blue-and-black grid looks metallic blue until you take a close look with a
lighted magnifier.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:40 PM Rico Pajarola via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:32 PM Tomasz Rola via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Camiel
Vanderhoeven via cctech
wrote:
I never tried, but I don't think this would work. AIUI, it has a minimum
and a maximum spacing for the lines.
The white noise sheet "works" because some the black-white-black
transitions come with the right spacing, no matter what that spacing is (it
has to be the right order of magnitude, and it doesn't work as well as the
real thing). Crumpled tin-foil has been reported to work, too.
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola"
<rp at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in
the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the
wrong one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
Out of curiosity, would it work if you printed this one-directional
grid on a translucent plastic and overlaid it on top of white paper
sheet? If yes, then would it work if you printed two such translucent
plastic grids and ovelaid them one on the other turned 90 degrees and
that on white paper?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
25 Nov
25 Nov
6:28 a.m.
Just to let you all know,
I received an IMSI (Mouse Systems M4) mouse with mousepad, and that mousepad works with
the Ardent's mouse as well.
Camiel
?On 11/14/18, 8:42 AM, "cctalk on behalf of Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
It is a mouse systems mouse, model M4Q, and it has the two holes (one red light, one
infrared), so I'll need the blue-and-black grid. I've hopefully bought a correct
one off eBay, just waiting for it to arrive.
Camiel
?On 11/14/18, 3:32 AM, "cctalk on behalf of systems_glitch via cctalk"
<cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org on behalf of cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
There's a blue-and-black grid, and an all-black grid, at least with Sun
mice. Mice that work on one won't work on the other. At least with the
blue-and-black grid, spacing didn't seem to matter -- I've got three
sizes
of spacing, all three work with the mice that support it.
Not sure if it applies to your situation, but the Mouse Systems mice with
two holes, one emitting red light, work with the blue-and-black pads, and
the newer Sun mice with a single hole works on the black grid. The
blue-and-black grid looks metallic blue until you take a close look with a
lighted magnifier.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:40 PM Rico Pajarola via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 10:32 PM Tomasz Rola via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:12:49PM +0100, Camiel
Vanderhoeven via cctech
wrote:
I never tried, but I don't think this would work. AIUI, it has a minimum
and a maximum spacing for the lines.
The white noise sheet "works" because some the black-white-black
transitions come with the right spacing, no matter what that spacing is (it
has to be the right order of magnitude, and it doesn't work as well as the
real thing). Crumpled tin-foil has been reported to work, too.
On 11/10/18, 6:49 PM, "Rico Pajarola"
<rp at servium.ch> wrote:
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in
the y direction on it.
there were 2 versions of that mousepad, and the symptom of using the
wrong one was that the mouse would only move in one direction.
Out of curiosity, would it work if you printed this one-directional
grid on a translucent plastic and overlaid it on top of white paper
sheet? If yes, then would it work if you printed two such translucent
plastic grids and ovelaid them one on the other turned 90 degrees and
that on white paper?
--
Regards,
Tomasz Rola
--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home **
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... **
** **
** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola at bigfoot.com **
10 Nov
10 Nov
8:19 p.m.
Carmiel you lucky dog!
How come you get TWO Titan's, all I want is ONE.
I had one for about a year after it came out. I convinced their sales to park it in my
office next to NASA JSC while we both were entertaining customers.
I did some visualization work using Dore' and AVS.
recently, I have built Dore' on a BSD and Linux box, and got the 'Flag' and
'Trunk' demos working.
Let me know how you are coming, and the moment you run out of space for one of these, let
me know.
Randy
________________________________
From: cctech <cctech-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Camiel Vanderhoeven via
cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 8:24 AM
To: cctech
Subject: Looking for optical grid mouse pad
Hello everyone,
A week ago, I took possession of a second Ardent Titan graphics supercomputer, and unlike
the other Titan, this one is almost complete. There is one tiny bit missing, and that is a
mouse pad. The mouse used with this systems is a Mouse Systems M4 variant (M4Q), and it
does not appear to be a normal serial mouse. So, if anyone has one of those reflective
mousepads with a grid of fine blue and grey lines that they don?t need, I?d be very happy
to have it.
I have tried to print my own mousepad, but the mouse only works in the y direction on it.
For those who want to know, the Titan is outfitted as follows:
2 x Titan P3 vector processors (using a MIPS R3000 for scalar operations)
2 x 64 MB main memory
Extended G2 Graphics
3 Maxtor 760 MB disks
QIC-120 tapedrive
19? trinitron monitor with stereo bezel and 3d glasses
Keyboard, mouse, knob box
Titan OS 4.2 installed (plus version 3.0, 4.1, and 4.2 installation tapes)
Dore, AVS, and PHIGS+ graphics environments
Vectorizing FORTRAN compiler with LINPACK, EISPACK, and FFT libraries
Matlab-Pro 3.5 (the Titan was the only computer ever that had Matlab as part of its
bundled programs)
Biodesign Biograf 3.0 molecular modeling application
All bits and pieces, and all software appears to work.
Camiel
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aek＠bitsavers.org -
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systems.glitch＠gmail.com