9 Jan
2015
9 Jan
'15
1:27 p.m.
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
9 Jan
9 Jan
1:29 p.m.
The "seller" is notoriously hard to get in touch with. :-(
This is the 2nd time that he's posted these systems. I never received a response
the first time he posted them. I'm waiting for a response this time.
TTFN - Guy
On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at
gmail.com> wrote:
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
1:43 p.m.
I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
8:25 p.m.
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or
so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
information. He is very interested in moving it and is sending
photos. He said someone is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in
Freemont. I will post the photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to address
this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be
able to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
that is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
Thanks
Jim
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
9:20 p.m.
On 1/9/2015 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
here is a pdf file of photos and some paperwork that I got from the
seller. I've already sent it to some possibly interested parties.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4AXJXpUCE-hMVpRS3R6R1lhZlk/view?usp=shari…
I believe these are the same ones advertised a
year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
information. He is very interested in moving it and is sending
photos. He said someone is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in
Freemont. I will post the photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to
address this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to
who may be able to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
that is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap
dealer.
Thanks
Jim
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
9:24 p.m.
On 1/9/2015 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
here is an email I got from him with the photos. He also mentioned an
idea, which is to take over the rent on the locker, so you can close on
ownership now, and move over a longer timeframe than "immediate".
Again, I hope someone gets this for the restoration, and not for making
gold scrap.
Jim
Hi Jim
Attached is a few pictures for the IBM Mainframe and
the HP 3000 Series III. I will send you additional information
if interested.. I am enclosing he bill of sale and the
descriptions included as well. The systems have
been in a warehouse and storage for many years so
they need to be cleaned and restored. I paid $8500
for the IBM and $9000 for the HP 3000. I have had a
few people who want to scavenge the computers for
parts and I have refused to sell to them, Hope that
you could help me and the computers to sell to a
Collector.
Allen
I believe these are the same ones advertised a
year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
information. He is very interested in moving it and is sending
photos. He said someone is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in
Freemont. I will post the photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to
address this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to
who may be able to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
that is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap
dealer.
Thanks
Jim
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
9:33 p.m.
On Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:25:26 -0800
jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
When Bob and I initially talked to the owner, he told us that what he
had was a major find for a collector. He spoke in glowing terms as to
the condition of the 4341 and the HP mini (de-installed from a
running environment and then stored for many years). So as you would
expect, Bob and I were very anxious to see both systems.
What we found was a serious disappointment. As Bob said, the 4341 and
the HP mini were crammed into a storage unit with lots of other junk.
It was impossible to see/determine what system components were
actually there. There was no way to know how complete or what features
either system had.
Repeating what Bob said, everything was water damaged, rusty and in poor
condition - and I do mean everything.
We told him that his asking price was too high - and that the condition
of the systems was so bad we wouldn't even make him an offer.
Lyle
--
Bickley Consulting West Inc.
http://bickleywest.com
"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
I believe these are the same ones advertised a
year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was
actually there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
information. He is very interested in moving it and is sending
photos. He said someone is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in
Freemont. I will post the photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to
address this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to
who may be able to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
that is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap
dealer.
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
10:10 p.m.
On 1/9/2015 6:33 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote:
We told him that his asking price was too high - and
that the condition
of the systems was so bad we wouldn't even make him an offer.
I did recover a
4341 open to the elements with bird poop which was later
made to run in Kansas City, Mo.
Can't speak to the peripherals. They were lucky to run when they were
on the floor originally.
The terminals... I pulled 10 3278's out of a dumpster behind a walmart
when they converted from using IBM comm gear to using PC's and dongles.
Worked fine, and are still probably working. And they had crap on them
and did more damage to the dumpster than the dumpster did to them.
the 3420 is likely just spare parts.
I cc'ed this to a fellow I gave 3420's to years ago, that i hope has my
original datacenter in some sort of shape. The 4341 would run what he
has there. Of course burrowing into the pile to see what shape this one
is in would be the chore of the day.
I suspect no one is going to find a shiny 4341 any time soon that is not
in this condition for some reason.
He did say he is under stress to move and get rid of it, so that can
play into the decision anyone makes.
Thanks
Jim
11:15 p.m.
I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-) So it won't be going for scrap.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
I believe these are the same ones advertised a
year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
information. He is very interested in moving it and is sending
photos. He said someone is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in
Freemont. I will post the photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to
address this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to
who may be able to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
that is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap
dealer.
Thanks
Jim
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
11:19 p.m.
Take pictures!
--
Will
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-)
So it won't be going for scrap.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
Bob
On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some information.
He is very interested in moving it and is sending photos. He said someone
is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in Freemont. I will post the
photos he sends me tonight.
I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to address
this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be able
to.
I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that, that
is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
Thanks
Jim
Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
10 Jan
10 Jan
8:27 p.m.
I had planned to. Unfortunately the condition of everything was even
worse than what Lyle had described.
In addition to the water damage (chassis rusted on the CPU and at least
one control unit), it was hard to see what all was there because of all
of the junk (tables, A/C condensers, random other *heavy* junk) all
piled *on top* of the CPU, terminals (a heavy table was being supported
by a number of HP terminals...when I tried to move the table to get a
better view of stuff you could hear things "crunch"). I did get enough
stuff out of the way to at least glance at the 4341. It was really
sad. 3 major cables had been cut. It looked like a side panel had been
removed and what ever was plugged into it was not visible (may have been
there but with out a major mining operation it was hard to tell). After
about 20 minutes I thanked him and left.
He had said that everything was operational before being put into
storage. It looks like they just grabbed, cut and generally abused
everything even before it went into storage before receiving the
additional indignity of significant water damage.
It's basically just scrap at this point. Very sad.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/9/15 8:19 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Take pictures!
--
Will
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
> I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-) So it won't be going for
scrap.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>>
>> On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
>>> I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
>>> Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
>>> to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
>>> there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
>>> looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
>>> it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
>>>>
>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some information.
>> He is very interested in moving it and is sending photos. He said someone
>> is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in Freemont. I will post the
>> photos he sends me tonight.
>>
>> I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to address
>> this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be able
>> to.
>>
>> I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that, that
>> is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jim
>
8:53 p.m.
The 4341 wasn't quite as bad as:
http://www.shiresoft.com/pdp-11/rescue/index.html but the end result I
think was worse.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/10/15 5:27 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
I had planned to. Unfortunately the condition of
everything was even
worse than what Lyle had described.
In addition to the water damage (chassis rusted on the CPU and at
least one control unit), it was hard to see what all was there because
of all of the junk (tables, A/C condensers, random other *heavy* junk)
all piled *on top* of the CPU, terminals (a heavy table was being
supported by a number of HP terminals...when I tried to move the table
to get a better view of stuff you could hear things "crunch"). I did
get enough stuff out of the way to at least glance at the 4341. It
was really sad. 3 major cables had been cut. It looked like a side
panel had been removed and what ever was plugged into it was not
visible (may have been there but with out a major mining operation it
was hard to tell). After about 20 minutes I thanked him and left.
He had said that everything was operational before being put into
storage. It looks like they just grabbed, cut and generally abused
everything even before it went into storage before receiving the
additional indignity of significant water damage.
It's basically just scrap at this point. Very sad.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/9/15 8:19 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Take pictures!
--
Will
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
> I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-) So it won't be going for
> scrap.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>>
>> On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
>>> I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
>>> Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
>>> to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
>>> there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
>>> looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
>>> it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
>>>>
>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
>> information.
>> He is very interested in moving it and is sending photos. He said
>> someone
>> is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in Freemont. I will post the
>> photos he sends me tonight.
>>
>> I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to
>> address
>> this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who
>> may be able
>> to.
>>
>> I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on
>> that, that
>> is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jim
>
11 Jan
11 Jan
12:23 a.m.
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 05:53:31PM -0800, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
The 4341 wasn't quite as bad as:
http://www.shiresoft.com/pdp-11/rescue/index.html but the end result
I think was worse.
brrrrrrrrrr.
/me has to go lie down
mcl
10 Jan
10 Jan
9:01 p.m.
So what was the guy like?
Did he completely deflect any opinions on the condition? Did he
acknowledge the mess?
--
Will
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
I had planned to. Unfortunately the condition of
everything was even worse
than what Lyle had described.
In addition to the water damage (chassis rusted on the CPU and at least one
control unit), it was hard to see what all was there because of all of the
junk (tables, A/C condensers, random other *heavy* junk) all piled *on top*
of the CPU, terminals (a heavy table was being supported by a number of HP
terminals...when I tried to move the table to get a better view of stuff you
could hear things "crunch"). I did get enough stuff out of the way to at
least glance at the 4341. It was really sad. 3 major cables had been cut.
It looked like a side panel had been removed and what ever was plugged into
it was not visible (may have been there but with out a major mining
operation it was hard to tell). After about 20 minutes I thanked him and
left.
He had said that everything was operational before being put into storage.
It looks like they just grabbed, cut and generally abused everything even
before it went into storage before receiving the additional indignity of
significant water damage.
It's basically just scrap at this point. Very sad.
TTFN - Guy
On 1/9/15 8:19 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
Take pictures!
--
Will
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
>
> I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-) So it won't be going for
> scrap.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
>>> Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
>>> to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was actually
>>> there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
>>> looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
>>> it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
>>>>
>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
>> information.
>> He is very interested in moving it and is sending photos. He said
>> someone
>> is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in Freemont. I will post the
>> photos he sends me tonight.
>>
>> I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to address
>> this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be
>> able
>> to.
>>
>> I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
>> that
>> is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jim
>
>
9:09 p.m.
My impression...he's an idiot. He didn't really think it was in that
bad shape. One quote was "I'm sure someone still makes these parts".
Uh...no!
TTFN - Guy
On 1/10/15 6:01 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
So what was the guy like?
Did he completely deflect any opinions on the condition? Did he
acknowledge the mess?
--
Will
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com> wrote:
> I had planned to. Unfortunately the condition of everything was even worse
> than what Lyle had described.
>
> In addition to the water damage (chassis rusted on the CPU and at least one
> control unit), it was hard to see what all was there because of all of the
> junk (tables, A/C condensers, random other *heavy* junk) all piled *on top*
> of the CPU, terminals (a heavy table was being supported by a number of HP
> terminals...when I tried to move the table to get a better view of stuff you
> could hear things "crunch"). I did get enough stuff out of the way to at
> least glance at the 4341. It was really sad. 3 major cables had been cut.
> It looked like a side panel had been removed and what ever was plugged into
> it was not visible (may have been there but with out a major mining
> operation it was hard to tell). After about 20 minutes I thanked him and
> left.
>
> He had said that everything was operational before being put into storage.
> It looks like they just grabbed, cut and generally abused everything even
> before it went into storage before receiving the additional indignity of
> significant water damage.
>
> It's basically just scrap at this point. Very sad.
>
> TTFN - Guy
>
>
> On 1/9/15 8:19 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> Take pictures!
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
>>> I'm the one who's coming out tomorrow. ;-) So it won't be going
for
>>> scrap.
>>>
>>> TTFN - Guy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/9/15 5:25 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/9/2015 10:43 AM, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
>>>>> I believe these are the same ones advertised a year or so ago.
>>>>> Lyle and I went to see them and found a storage building piled
>>>>> to the ceiling with stuff. It was impossible to see what was
actually
>>>>> there, though what could be seen had heavy water damage and
>>>>> looked to be in bad shape. At the time he was asking $5000 for
>>>>> it all so we just walked away. Might be a lot cheaper now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 9, 2015 10:27 AM, Jason T <silent700 at
gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not mine, not near me, not known to me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/4837367667.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> I talked to the owner for quite a while tonight and got some
>>>> information.
>>>> He is very interested in moving it and is sending photos. He said
>>>> someone
>>>> is coming to take a look at it tomorrow in Freemont. I will post the
>>>> photos he sends me tonight.
>>>>
>>>> I hope someone buys it for other than gold. I am not set up to address
>>>> this sort of a deal myself, and am passing the info along to who may be
>>>> able
>>>> to.
>>>>
>>>> I told him about cctalk and ibm vintage lists, so if you are on that,
>>>> that
>>>> is the secret handshake as far as what I told him, vs. a scrap dealer.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jim
>>>
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