1 Dec
2012
1 Dec
'12
8:09 a.m.
Dear CC Talkers and VCF Fans:
The Vintage Computer Festival is currently securing funding for
operations and storage of the VCF Archives for the next 6 months. As
such, the VCF is conducting a limited sale of select items of the VCF
Archives.
As the VCF Archives pretty much contains everything, and due to current
time restraints, the sale will be held as such: contact me (Sellam) with a
wish list, and I'll indicate which of your requested items I could offer
with a description and offer price. We can haggle out a deal from there.
As my funding needs surpass my ability to deal with many small
transactions, I am necessarily limiting the sales to items of a value of
at least $250. This does not mean I will attempt to jack up the prices,
but I would prefer to make single transactions that have a value of $250
or more.
I apologize for the unorthodox nature of this sale but I am in an
unorthodox situation and this is the surest way I know to raise the funds
necessary to secure the archives.
Please e-mail me with your wish lists directly.
Thanks!
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1 Dec
1 Dec
8:49 a.m.
Beyond the sale, mind if someone offers a (small) donation? Maybe a
paypal account for some helping?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <sellam at vintagetech.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: VCF Archives Fund Raiser Sale
Dear CC Talkers and VCF Fans:
The Vintage Computer Festival is currently securing funding for
operations and storage of the VCF Archives for the next 6 months. As
such, the VCF is conducting a limited sale of select items of the VCF
Archives.
As the VCF Archives pretty much contains everything, and due to current
time restraints, the sale will be held as such: contact me (Sellam) with a
wish list, and I'll indicate which of your requested items I could offer
with a description and offer price. We can haggle out a deal from there.
As my funding needs surpass my ability to deal with many small
transactions, I am necessarily limiting the sales to items of a value of
at least $250. This does not mean I will attempt to jack up the prices,
but I would prefer to make single transactions that have a value of $250
or more.
I apologize for the unorthodox nature of this sale but I am in an
unorthodox situation and this is the surest way I know to raise the funds
necessary to secure the archives.
Please e-mail me with your wish lists directly.
Thanks!
--
Sellam Ismail
VintageTech
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger
http://www.vintagetech.com
Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap...The truth is always
simple.
5 Dec
5 Dec
7:20 a.m.
In article <Pine.LNX.4.61.1212010805040.27098 at vintagetech.com>,
Sellam Ismail <sellam at vintagetech.com> writes:
The Vintage Computer Festival is currently securing
funding for
operations and storage of the VCF Archives for the next 6 months.
This message leaves me confused.
Am I funding Sellam?
Am I funding another Vintage Computing Festival?
What are "the VCF Archives"? I've never even heard of something
labelled as such until now.
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9:56 a.m.
On 12/5/2012 10:20 AM, Richard wrote:
In article<Pine.LNX.4.61.1212010805040.27098 at
vintagetech.com>,
Sellam Ismail<sellam at vintagetech.com> writes:
The "VCF Archives" has been talked about
here, but it was awhile ago and
probably didn't use that exact wording. Here is a picture of a small
section of the VCF Archives:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533384722/
Cheers,
Bryan
The Vintage Computer Festival is currently
securing funding for
operations and storage of the VCF Archives for the next 6 months.
This message
leaves me confused.
Am I funding Sellam?
Am I funding another Vintage Computing Festival?
What are "the VCF Archives"? I've never even heard of something
labelled as such until now. 
10:30 a.m.
On 12/5/12 9:56 AM, Bryan Pope wrote:
The "VCF Archives" has been talked about
here, but it was awhile ago and probably didn't use that exact wording. Here is a
picture of a small section of the VCF Archives:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533384722/
That was when it was in Livermore. It moved to Stockton and from what I've heard, it
has to move again.
VCF, Vintagetech, etc. is all the same thing (Sellam's business).
I think it's a bit much to ask of someone to guess at what he has. I was there when it
was in Livermore
and it was mostly microcomputer related things.
11:54 a.m.
In article <50BF92D3.1060206 at bitsavers.org>,
Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> writes:
On 12/5/12 9:56 AM, Bryan Pope wrote:
> The "VCF Archives" has been talked about here, but it was awhile ago and
pr
obably didn't use that exact wording. Here is a picture of a small section
of
the VCF Archives:
I've seen pictures like this before, but was never very interested
because it seemed like it was 50% books and shrinkwrapped software and
the other 50% was mostly microcomputers.
VCF, Vintagetech, etc. is all the same thing
(Sellam's business).
OK, so this is a request by Sellam to fund Sellam by selling
unspecified, unknown stuff.
Wouldn't it have been better to have a functioning VCF West?
There hasn't been one since 2007.
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12:01 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 11:54 AM, Richard wrote:
OK, so this is a request by Sellam to fund Sellam by
selling
unspecified, unknown stuff. Wouldn't it have been better to have a
functioning VCF West? There hasn't been one since 2007.
Why hasn't there been one and if Sellam can't deal with it anymore why
doesn't he step aside and let someone else take over ? There has only
been an increase in interest in vintage computers since the last one.
Does Sellam own the rights to the name or something ? Maybe it could
just be called something else and we could get an event out here again.
3:59 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 3:01 PM, mc68010 wrote:
On 12/5/2012 11:54 AM, Richard wrote:
*facepalm*
Yes, Sellam owns the right to "Vintage Computer Festival". As Sellam
stated, this is to get funds for the operation and storage of his vast
collection.
There is no "unspecified, unknown stuff". He has a big-ass collection
that could probably eclipse the sun (and quite a few other stars). All
you have to do is tell him whatever you want that is in the realm of
vintage computing. Then he will give you a dollar value of what he
would like for said items.
Now you have a choice of what to do. Accept the price and then you get
the vintage computer stuff you want. Decline because you feel it is too
much, no problem! Or come back with another offer and he may even
accept that!
This is probably the best way at what I am sure will be a much fairer
price then you can find on ebay for some vintage computer items you have
been looking for. Sellam's loss will be your gain!
Cheers,
Bryan
OK, so this is a request by Sellam to fund Sellam
by selling
unspecified, unknown stuff. Wouldn't it have been better to have a
functioning VCF West? There hasn't been one since 2007.
Why hasn't there been one and if Sellam can't deal with it anymore why
doesn't he step aside and let someone else take over ? There has only
been an increase in interest in vintage computers since the last one.
Does Sellam own the rights to the name or something ? Maybe it could
just be called something else and we could get an event out here again.
5:29 p.m.
Why hasn't there been one
because you
haven't organized one yet.
and if Sellam can't deal with it anymore why
doesn't he step aside and let someone else take over ?
He has NEVER been in the way of anybody else organizing a classic computer
fair.
There has only
been an increase in interest in vintage computers since the last one.
Does Sellam own the rights to the name or something ?
Yes, he does own the rights to the name "Vintage Computer Festival
Maybe it could just be called something else and we
could get an event
out here again.
ABSOLUTELY!
When will your event be? Sign me up!
5:40 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 5:29 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
ABSOLUTELY!
When will your event be? Sign me up!
You going to send me, someone you don't even know, your registration fee
to have a booth ? With no track record or connection to the VCF ? I'll
do it if people start sending me money. Unfortunately you may be the
only one willing to take that leap of fate.
6:17 p.m.
> ABSOLUTELY!
> When will your event be? Sign me up!
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, mc68010 wrote:
You going to send me, someone you don't even know,
your registration fee
to have a booth ? With no track record or connection to the VCF ? I'll
do it if people start sending me money. Unfortunately you may be the
only one willing to take that leap of fate.
Sellam let me sign up by email, and pay on the day of the event!
Any reason why we should NOT trust you?
If you can put the event together, the bay area (at least) is ready and
anxious for another classic computer event.
6:33 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 6:17 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
Sellam let me sign up by email, and pay on the day of
the event!
Any reason why we should NOT trust you?
If you can put the event together, the bay area (at least) is ready and
anxious for another classic computer event.
It honestly is something that should be done by a committee or group.
That way you avoid the 5 year breaks because one person is having
personal problems and doesn't have the time for it. How does the east
coast manage to make it happen every year ? I'd love to see a CHM
sponsored event and I think we should all pressure Al into making it
happen. Doesn't the CHM have conference space ? I couldn't think if a
better place to have it. How about calling it the Computer History
Museum's Vintage Computer Faire . We just need someone to steal Al's
scanner so, he has more free time.
6:49 p.m.
On Dec 5, 2012, at 21:17, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote:
VCF East is even more relaxed: it's a pay-at-the-door kind
of thing. Of course, the InfoAge museum which hosts
it may provide some financial backing; I don't know (but Evan
probably does).
- Dave
>
ABSOLUTELY!
> When will your event be? Sign me up!
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, mc68010 wrote:
You going to send me, someone you don't even
know, your registration fee
to have a booth ? With no track record or connection to the VCF ? I'll
do it if people start sending me money. Unfortunately you may be the
only one willing to take that leap of fate.
Sellam let me sign up by email, and pay on the day of the event! 
6:23 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 5:29 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
You do know that the person(s) putting on such an event will have to
probably front quite a bit of expenses, and probably work their butts
off for probably 6 months to put an event together. I do an Christmas
annual company alumni meeting w/o anything than guaranteeing that 150
drinkers will show up, find a venue everyone likes, and that takes quite
a bit of work. I start planning in the week after the event if I have
to move for the next years event. Then 6 months in advance to be sure
things will work when it happens.
Add to that that the organizer will have to do much more to accomodate a
VCF and I respect Sellam for what he has done, and that he has taken a
breather from it.
Jim
Why hasn't
there been one
because you haven't organized one yet.
and if Sellam can't deal with it anymore why
doesn't he step aside and let someone else take over ?
He has NEVER been in
the way of anybody else organizing a classic computer
fair.
There has only
been an increase in interest in vintage computers since the last one.
Does Sellam own the rights to the name or something ?
Yes, he does own the rights
to the name "Vintage Computer Festival
Maybe it could just be called something else and
we could get an event
out here again.
ABSOLUTELY!
When will your event be? Sign me up!
6 Dec
6 Dec
2:07 p.m.
In article <50C001B6.7050605 at jwsss.com>,
jim s <jwsmail at jwsss.com> writes:
You do know that the person(s) putting on such an
event will have to
probably front quite a bit of expenses, and probably work their butts
off for probably 6 months to put an event together.
Having put together events myself, alone, I totally understand how
much work is involved.
I also understand getting burned out and needing to take a breather.
However, when you decide to take a step back and take a rest, you need
to hand the event off to someone else instead of stopping the event.
What has seemed to have happened with VCF is that it just stopped,
instead of being shepherded to someone else.
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5 Dec
5 Dec
7:04 p.m.
In article <50BFDFF2.4030903 at comcast.net>,
Bryan Pope <bryan.pope at comcast.net> writes:
There is no "unspecified, unknown stuff".
He has a big-ass collection
[...]
Actually, the larger the collection, the more important it is to see a
list of what's in it.
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7:41 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 7:04 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <50BFDFF2.4030903 at comcast.net>,
Bryan Pope <bryan.pope at comcast.net> writes:
Is the VCF Archive actually a collection people can access or just
Sellam's personal collection ? I am not trying to start things and I can
tell there are strong feelings on both sides from emails and replies I
am getting. What exactly is the VCF Archive and why should we support it
? That is all I am asking.
There is no "unspecified, unknown
stuff". He has a big-ass collection
[...]
Actually, the larger the collection, the more important it is to see a
list of what's in it. 
8:47 p.m.
On 12/5/12 9:41 PM, mc68010 wrote:
On 12/5/2012 7:04 PM, Richard wrote:
Do you really not get it?
Sellam is not soliciting donations. He's selling hardware. Period.
Doc
In article <50BFDFF2.4030903 at
comcast.net>,
Bryan Pope <bryan.pope at comcast.net> writes:
Is the VCF Archive actually a collection people can access or just
Sellam's personal collection ? I am not trying to start things and I can
tell there are strong feelings on both sides from emails and replies I
am getting. What exactly is the VCF Archive and why should we support it? There is no "unspecified, unknown
stuff". He has a big-ass collection
[...]
Actually, the larger the collection, the more important it is to see a
list of what's in it.
9:01 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 8:47 PM, Doc wrote:
Do you really not get it?
Sellam is not soliciting donations. He's selling hardware. Period.
I guess I didn't. I thought by some of the comments that some people
were looking to offer donations. This is Sellam's private collection he
is just selling for money. Got it. I understand now. Any of this come
out of ACCRC by chance ? If it was transferred from one non profit to
another he can actually go to jail for this.
9:09 p.m.
--- On Wed, 12/5/12, mc68010 <mc68010 at gmail.com> wrote:
I guess I didn't. I thought by some of the
comments that
some people were looking to offer donations. This is
Sellam's private collection he is just selling for money.
Got it. I understand now. Any of this come out of ACCRC by
chance ? If it was transferred from one non profit to
another he can actually go to jail for this.
Assuming the material sold was purchased, or was donated
without restrictions, how can it be illegal to sell it to
to raise funds to support the continued operation of the
nonprofit? There's nothing going on here to suggest Sellam
is looking to take the proceeds out for personal use.
What I'm not sure of is the relationship between VCF as
a nonprofit and Vintagetech as a profit-making enterprise.
One would hope that his books are in order with respect
to what belongs to which entity.
--Bill
10:02 p.m.
On 12/5/2012 9:09 PM, William Maddox wrote:
Assuming the material sold was purchased, or was
donated without
restrictions, how can it be illegal to sell it to to raise funds to
support the continued operation of the nonprofit? There's nothing
going on here to suggest Sellam is looking to take the proceeds out
for personal use. What I'm not sure of is the relationship between VCF
as a nonprofit and Vintagetech as a profit-making enterprise. One
would hope that his books are in order with respect to what belongs to
which entity. --Bill
The gear I know about was donated to another 501c, ACCRC, and
then
transferred to Sellam's 501c. Until Sellam speaks up and says where the
money from these sales goes this conjecture is all pointless anyway. If
it is just to him the "send an email and we'll tell you if we have it
and how much me want" is pretty telling. If not and this goes to the
501c then just post a list of gear and what you want.
6 Dec
6 Dec
5:58 a.m.
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, mc68010 wrote:
On 12/5/2012 9:09 PM, William Maddox wrote:
...and some people stir up shit just because they can.
Drop it.
g.
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Assuming the material sold was purchased, or was
donated without
restrictions, how can it be illegal to sell it to to raise funds to support
the continued operation of the nonprofit? There's nothing going on here to
suggest Sellam is looking to take the proceeds out for personal use. What
I'm not sure of is the relationship between VCF as a nonprofit and
Vintagetech as a profit-making enterprise. One would hope that his books
are in order with respect to what belongs to which entity. --Bill
The gear I know
about was donated to another 501c, ACCRC, and then
transferred to Sellam's 501c. Until Sellam speaks up and says where the money
from these sales goes this conjecture is all pointless anyway. If it is just
to him the "send an email and we'll tell you if we have it and how much me
want" is pretty telling. If not and this goes to the 501c then just post a
list of gear and what you want. 
7 Dec
7 Dec
9:51 p.m.
From: aek at bitsavers.org
On 12/5/12 9:56 AM, Bryan Pope wrote:
He does have a Nicolet 1080 in a console with the RF front end for a NMR
chemicalmachine ( Not the coils ).It would be cool to have someone else that had one that
I could share stuff with.Dwight
The "VCF Archives" has been talked
about here, but it was awhile ago and probably didn't use that exact wording. Here is
a picture of a small section of the VCF Archives:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533384722/
That was when it was in Livermore. It moved to Stockton and from what I've heard, it
has to move again.
VCF, Vintagetech, etc. is all the same thing (Sellam's business).
I think it's a bit much to ask of someone to guess at what he has. I was there when
it was in Livermore
and it was mostly microcomputer related things.
8 Dec
8 Dec
11:41 a.m.
I don't know what all he has now adays but back 10 years ago or so I was able to see
the warehouse. Huge! Both computers, manuals, books, software all large as a library. Very
impressive. I assume he does have an inventory but last I read he had over 2000 systems. I
remember a shelf of Altairs that I never imagined I'd see ever again. Probably changed
since then but there were plenty of most systems one could wish for there.
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Subject: RE: VCF Archives Fund Raiser Sale
From: aek at bitsavers.org
On 12/5/12 9:56 AM, Bryan Pope wrote:
He does have a Nicolet 1080 in a console with the RF front end for a NMR
chemicalmachine ( Not the coils ).It would be cool to have someone else that had one that
I could share stuff with.Dwight
The "VCF Archives" has been talked
about here, but it was awhile ago and probably didn't use that exact wording. Here is
a picture of a small section of the VCF Archives:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/2533384722/
That was when it was in Livermore. It moved to Stockton and from what I've heard, it
has to move again.
VCF, Vintagetech, etc. is all the same thing (Sellam's business).
I think it's a bit much to ask of someone to guess at what he has. I was there when
it was in Livermore
and it was mostly microcomputer related things.
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