2 May
2014
2 May
'14
3 p.m.
There is a pdp8 up for sale on ebay that I would love to add to my DEC collection, but I
don't want to bid it up way beyond what it's worth.
If someone on the cctalk list wants it, just let me know, and I'll duck.
Thanks.
3 May
3 May
8:59 a.m.
On 5/2/2014 3:00 PM, Peterson, Roe (LAI) wrote:
There is a pdp8 up for sale on ebay that I would love
to add to my DEC collection, but I don't want to bid it up way beyond what it's
worth.
If someone on the cctalk list wants it, just let me know, and I'll duck.
Thanks.
I don't know if you got it, but there was at least one moron bidder in
there that could have run it up and a lame snipe attempt at the end. If
you had the large bid in, it held in spite of the snipe attempt and it
went for $2800 bucks.
PDP8/m
Jim
10:03 a.m.
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:59 AM, jim s <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
I don't know if you got it, but there was at least
one moron bidder in
there that could have run it up and a lame snipe attempt at the end. If
you had the large bid in, it held in spite of the snipe attempt and it went
for $2800 bucks.
It didn't bid on it, but you've got me curious. I know what sniping is,
but what constitutes "a lame snipe attempt"? And, for that matter, a
"moron
bidder"?
10:25 a.m.
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 11:03:55AM -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
[I] didn't bid on it, but you've got me
curious. I know what sniping is,
but what constitutes "a lame snipe attempt"? And, for that matter, a
"moron
bidder"?
Fair question -- I didn't bid either, but sniping *always* happens, so I
actually get irritated at people who bid early because all they do is drive
the price up, with no chance of winning. All the real action is always in
the last 30 seconds. You can't beat them, so you *have* to join them...
(I absolutely do steer clear if I know a CCMPer is bidding though.)
John Wilson
11:19 a.m.
I can't even find it. A group of us at work are looking for an 8 or old 11
to restore and put in our mini-museum
On Saturday, May 3, 2014 1:29:30 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote:
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 11:03:55AM -0600, Eric Smith
wrote:
[I] didn't bid on it, but you've got me
curious. I know what sniping is,
but what constitutes "a lame snipe attempt"? And, for that matter, a
"moron
bidder"?
Fair question -- I didn't bid either, but sniping *always* happens, so I
actually get irritated at people who bid early because all they do is drive
the price up, with no chance of winning. All the real action is always in
the last 30 seconds. You can't beat them, so you *have* to join them...
(I absolutely do steer clear if I know a CCMPer is bidding though.)
John Wilson
4 May
4 May
5:36 p.m.
In article <20140503172530.GA30864 at dbit.dbit.com>,
John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> writes:
Fair question -- I didn't bid either, but sniping
*always* happens, so I
actually get irritated at people who bid early because all they do is drive
the price up, with no chance of winning.
Nonsense. If they were sniping, they would drive the price up just
the same. Sniping doesn't prevent other people from bidding, it just
means you only bid once at your maximum.
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5 May
5 May
4:10 p.m.
In article <20140503172530.GA30864 at dbit.dbit.com>,
John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> writes:
Fair question -- I didn't bid either, but
sniping *always* happens, so I
actually get irritated at people who bid early because all they do is
drive
the price up, with no chance of winning.
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Nonsense. If they were sniping, they would drive
the price up just
the same. Sniping doesn't prevent other people from bidding, it just
means you only bid once at your maximum.
There is a difference. Bidding "early" (i.e., not at the last minute)
publicly reveals that there is more interest in the item, and influences
the bidding behavior of others (including snipers) more than sniping at the
last minute can. It's unclear just how much effect this has, but I'm
fairly certain that it's non-zero.
Eric
4:54 p.m.
On 5/5/14 4:10 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> There is a difference. Bidding "early"
(i.e., not at the last minute)
> publicly reveals that there is more interest in the item, and influences
> the bidding behavior of others (including snipers) more than sniping at the
> last minute can. It's unclear just how much effect this has, but I'm
> fairly certain that it's non-zero.
>
I'm fairly pissed that eBay has decided to publicly show how many people are
watching an item. I knew that the sellers had access to that information, since
I had someone cancel and auction and raise the starting bid when I watched an item.
6:44 p.m.
On 5/5/2014 4:54 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 5/5/14 4:10 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
I make sure I watch tons of items that I don't intend to bid on -
just to do my part to ensure this is meaningless information.
Rob.
> There is a difference. Bidding
"early" (i.e., not at the last minute)
> publicly reveals that there is more interest in the item, and influences
> the bidding behavior of others (including snipers) more than sniping
> at the
> last minute can. It's unclear just how much effect this has, but I'm
> fairly certain that it's non-zero.
>
I'm fairly pissed that eBay has decided to publicly show how many people
are
watching an item. I knew that the sellers had access to that
information, since
I had someone cancel and auction and raise the starting bid when I
watched an item. 
7:50 p.m.
I have at least 2 8-Es i'll be selling when I get a chance to check them
out. I'm still looking for the lids and rest of the slides and a bezel, but
I can configure them almost any way within reason. I figure it will be
worth my time (when I get some) to test as much as I can before selling
them.
Paul
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Rob Doyle <radioengr at gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/5/2014 4:54 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 5/5/14 4:10 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
There is a difference. Bidding "early" (i.e., not at the last minute)
I make sure I watch tons of items that I don't intend to bid on -
just to do my part to ensure this is meaningless information.
Rob.
> publicly reveals that there is more interest
in the item, and influences
> the bidding behavior of others (including snipers) more than sniping
> at the
> last minute can. It's unclear just how much effect this has, but I'm
> fairly certain that it's non-zero.
>
>
I'm fairly pissed that eBay has decided to publicly show how many people
are
watching an item. I knew that the sellers had access to that
information, since
I had someone cancel and auction and raise the starting bid when I
watched an item.
6 May
6 May
10:09 a.m.
In article <53683E6E.1050509 at gmail.com>,
Rob Doyle <radioengr at gmail.com> writes:
I make sure I watch tons of items that I don't
intend to bid on -
just to do my part to ensure this is meaningless information.
I routinely watch items so I can see price trends by reviewing my
watched list and reviewing the closed items.
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10:27 a.m.
On 5/6/14 10:09 AM, Richard wrote:
I routinely watch items so I can see price trends by
reviewing my
watched list and reviewing the closed items.
There seems to be 'trending price' on SOME auctions
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251367935469
for example
I wonder if this is something the SELLER sets as an option, since it doesn't
appear that much in listings, and it never seems to appear on the listings that
are a LOT higher than the trending prices :-)
11:52 a.m.
In article <53691B9F.9020405 at bitsavers.org>,
Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> writes:
There seems to be 'trending price' on SOME
auctions
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251367935469 for example
I see there the person as "more than 10 available" and has sold 120 of
them.
I wonder if this trending price thing is only showing up on listings
like that where there is a BIN and a "make offer"?
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10:07 a.m.
In article <CAFrGgTRt2+8FKphUCjOUSyWEmZzf_9ZBn65KmoOZvH2yaycY+A at mail.gmail.com>,
Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> writes:
There is a difference. Bidding "early"
(i.e., not at the last minute)
publicly reveals that there is more interest in the item, and influences
the bidding behavior of others (including snipers) more than sniping at the
last minute can. It's unclear just how much effect this has, but I'm
fairly certain that it's non-zero.
Yeah.
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
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11:57 a.m.
In article <CAFrGgTSXs7LE1gM_D_dNJ-NUYDFyXMTwiqr94q38_TaWRrxZDA at mail.gmail.com>,
Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Richard <legalize
at xmission.com> wrote:
Either way, they will drive the price up to at least their maximum bid
if they don't win.
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
If they bid early, other people may drive the price up higher, but it
will still be driven up to their early maximum bid if they don't win
the auction. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
When people attend a physical auction with an auctioneer, they may
bid multiple times and they may bid early and in the end the outcome
is always the same: highest bidder wins.
The main difference between an ebay auction and real auctions is that
an auctioneer's job is to get the most amount of money for an item.
Therefore, they won't close the auction when bids come in at the last
minute. GSA auctions work like this. The close time of the auction
is extended every time someone comes in at the last minute and bids.
Therefore sniping is pointless in these auctions.
I don't hear everyone bitching and moaning about GSA running their
auctions this way, but there is incessant bitching and moaning about
ordinary bidding behavior "ruining" it for people who are sniping.
You should be thankful that sniping gives you any advantage at all due
to the fact that ebay auction closing times are fixed. This is an
advantage that almost no other "open auction" would ever give you.
(It's a different matter when the auction is by silent bidding and you
have no idea what the other bids are.)
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Yeah.
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Exactly my point. You had stated that "If they were sniping, they would
drive the price up just the same." I was pointing out one reason why
that's not necessarily true.
1:35 p.m.
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <
CAFrGgTSXs7LE1gM_D_dNJ-NUYDFyXMTwiqr94q38_TaWRrxZDA at mail.gmail.com>,
Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> writes:
But due to eBay format, if they snipe, they may not result in making other
people change their bidding behaviror (i.e., their maximum bid), whereas if
they bid early, they may. This is UNLIKE A REAL AUCTION. Therefore an
early bid may result in pushing the final price up more than a snipe, due
to the indirect effect on other bidders.
In other words, early bidding reveals more information to other bidders,
which can change the outcome. If the other bidders are completely
rational, have predetermined their maximum bid, and don't change it, there
will be no effect. However, in reality many bidders don't behave that way.
I'm not complaining about it.
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Richard
<legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
Either way, they will drive the price up to at least their maximum bid
if they don't win.
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
If they bid early, other people may drive the price up higher, but it
will still be driven up to their early maximum bid if they don't win
the auction. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
When people attend a physical auction with an auctioneer, they may
bid multiple times and they may bid early and in the end the outcome
is always the same: highest bidder wins.
Yeah.
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Exactly my point. You had stated that "If they were sniping, they would
drive the price up just the same." I was pointing out one reason why
that's not necessarily true.
7 May
7 May
12:01 p.m.
In article <CAFrGgTQpZazX9dqA6vrDg4nfeZRaQMA1=HF8j5-Nx0KXHzA1SQ at mail.gmail.com>,
Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> writes:
In other words, early bidding reveals more information
to other bidders,
which can change the outcome.
Thanks for repeating what I already said.
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12:20 p.m.
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Richard <legalize at xmission.com> wrote:
In article <CAFrGgTQpZazX9dqA6vrDg4nfeZRaQMA1=
HF8j5-Nx0KXHzA1SQ at mail.gmail.com>,
Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com> writes:
Sure, and thanks for being obtuse and ignoring that I am saying something
DIFFERENT than you are, which is that sniping in an eBay auction makes it
DIFFERENT than a "normal auction", because that bidding information is then
NOT AVAILABLE TO OTHER BIDDERS IN A TIMELY ENOUGH MANNER TO CHANGE THEIR
BIDDING BEHAVIOR.
So please stop trying to represent that I'm reinforcing your point, because
I'm not.
Eric
In other words, early bidding reveals more
information to other bidders,
which can change the outcome.
Thanks for repeating what I already said.
6 May
6 May
3:34 p.m.
On 5/6/2014 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not real
auction. It is most similar to a silent auction and
the fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology.
Yes you can bid against people as the auction runs, but the auction
won't extend as long as there are willing bidders in the room. That is a
key time for any auction. At any time during a REAL AUCTION the gavel
will go down when there is a gap of bidding pre determined by the
auctioneer. Continued bidding in an auction with an auctioneer in small
increments is totally reasonable because the auctioneer will terminate
the bidding when the room goes quiet.
That simply does not exist in either EBay or silent auctions. The last
bid (which by ebay rules has to be the highest) wins, but it is at the
time of the end of the auction. Therefore the sniping works.
I don't agree that the practice of coming into an auction mid term and
placing a bunch of 5 or 10 dollar increment bids has anything to do
with 'REAL AUCTION' .
That is the only practice I"m critical of, and I'm not even critical of
it if the person wins the auction. But a single bid of x amount or a
couple of bids is not equivalent to 20 silly small bids. I apparently
didn't explain that was my only complaint.
You can do any strategy you like, but as has been pointed out the last
one that is accepted wins, an there is no reason to place it till as
close to the end of the auction period given ebay rules. All the
arguments here just make the case that if you want to bid and win it and
have the least affect on the auction other than winning it a snipe is
the way to go.
4:03 p.m.
I sometimes receive surveys from EBay. My consistent comment is that they
should put an end to rules that encourage sniping. Perhaps if everyone said
the same they might actually do something. Trouble is they have close to a
monopoly on this market, so they are unlikely to listen.
I have tried to look elsewhere but there just does not seem to be the
critical mass to make it worthwhile for a fairly niche area like ours. I
sometimes try Craigslist, but you can't have a single search that covers
multiple locations (ie I can't cover the UK with a single search), unless
someone can tell me what I am missing? VCF does not have critical mass in
the UK either. Also, although it has been a while since I looked, I don't
think Craigslist or VCF offer anything like EBay's saved searches, but I
might be wrong on this.
Regards
Rob
On 6 May 2014 23:34, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 5/6/2014 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not real auction. It is most similar to a silent auction and the
fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology.
Yes you can bid against people as the auction runs, but the auction won't
extend as long as there are willing bidders in the room. That is a key time
for any auction. At any time during a REAL AUCTION the gavel will go down
when there is a gap of bidding pre determined by the auctioneer. Continued
bidding in an auction with an auctioneer in small increments is totally
reasonable because the auctioneer will terminate the bidding when the room
goes quiet.
That simply does not exist in either EBay or silent auctions. The last
bid (which by ebay rules has to be the highest) wins, but it is at the time
of the end of the auction. Therefore the sniping works.
I don't agree that the practice of coming into an auction mid term and
placing a bunch of 5 or 10 dollar increment bids has anything to do with
'REAL AUCTION' .
That is the only practice I"m critical of, and I'm not even critical of it
if the person wins the auction. But a single bid of x amount or a couple
of bids is not equivalent to 20 silly small bids. I apparently didn't
explain that was my only complaint.
You can do any strategy you like, but as has been pointed out the last
one that is accepted wins, an there is no reason to place it till as close
to the end of the auction period given ebay rules. All the arguments here
just make the case that if you want to bid and win it and have the least
affect on the auction other than winning it a snipe is the way to go.
4:13 p.m.
Actually, there is a third party search site that provides C/L searches
with a range of options..
There used to be several others but C/L served cease and desist letters
on them for some sort of infringement and all but this one seem to have
ceased operation. I use this one regularly. It has it's quirks but it
works:
http://www.searchtempest.com/
Steve
On 5/6/2014 4:03 PM, Jarratt RMA wrote:
I sometimes receive surveys from EBay. My consistent
comment is that they
should put an end to rules that encourage sniping. Perhaps if everyone said
the same they might actually do something. Trouble is they have close to a
monopoly on this market, so they are unlikely to listen.
I have tried to look elsewhere but there just does not seem to be the
critical mass to make it worthwhile for a fairly niche area like ours. I
sometimes try Craigslist, but you can't have a single search that covers
multiple locations (ie I can't cover the UK with a single search), unless
someone can tell me what I am missing? VCF does not have critical mass in
the UK either. Also, although it has been a while since I looked, I don't
think Craigslist or VCF offer anything like EBay's saved searches, but I
might be wrong on this.
Regards
Rob
On 6 May 2014 23:34, jwsmobile<jws at jwsss.com> wrote:
On 5/6/2014 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not real auction. It is most similar to a silent auction and
the
fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology.
Yes you can bid against people as the auction runs, but the auction won't
extend as long as there are willing bidders in the room. That is a key time
for any auction. At any time during a REAL AUCTION the gavel will go down
when there is a gap of bidding pre determined by the auctioneer. Continued
bidding in an auction with an auctioneer in small increments is totally
reasonable because the auctioneer will terminate the bidding when the room
goes quiet.
That simply does not exist in either EBay or silent auctions. The last
bid (which by ebay rules has to be the highest) wins, but it is at the time
of the end of the auction. Therefore the sniping works.
I don't agree that the practice of coming into an auction mid term and
placing a bunch of 5 or 10 dollar increment bids has anything to do with
'REAL AUCTION' .
That is the only practice I"m critical of, and I'm not even critical of it
if the person wins the auction. But a single bid of x amount or a couple
of bids is not equivalent to 20 silly small bids. I apparently didn't
explain that was my only complaint.
You can do any strategy you like, but as has been pointed out the last
one that is accepted wins, an there is no reason to place it till as close
to the end of the auction period given ebay rules. All the arguments here
just make the case that if you want to bid and win it and have the least
affect on the auction other than winning it a snipe is the way to go.
4:54 p.m.
On 05/06/2014 04:03 PM, Jarratt RMA wrote:
I sometimes receive surveys from EBay. My consistent
comment is that they
should put an end to rules that encourage sniping. Perhaps if everyone said
the same they might actually do something. Trouble is they have close to a
monopoly on this market, so they are unlikely to listen.
Well, there were services like that. Remember Yahoo! auctions? OnSale?
UBid? On UBid, (and this may still be true), every new bid caused the
auction to be extended by 10 minutes. An auction could run for weeks.
I don't think that model would work very well for eBay, which depends on
traffic as their model. Knowing that an auction has a specified
beginning and an end is very attractive.
EBay's bidding system is sui generis, as nearly as I can tell.
--Chuck
9:07 p.m.
JUST LIKE A
REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not [a] real auction. It is most similar to a silent
auction
and the fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology.
7 May
7 May
12:06 a.m.
On 5/6/2014 9:07 PM, Mouse wrote:
How does that make it any less a real auction?
It is not in that the pace or order of the action need not have any
bearing on the buying process.
And as i pointed out the urgency to bid is not there since the auctions
never end (by ebay anyway) till the end of the time period.
I had Billie Pettitt point out that he ends the auctions himself it
there is little action to discourage the sniping I'm a fan of. That
does not result in a sale, unless it is terminated by an Buy it Now
option.. So that does not restore the live auction. If you want to
have a sale in the end you have to leave it for sale, and let it go to
completion. Relisting is cheap, so this may work out. I've not
personally ever had any success with auctions which ended in this
fashion. In the few cases I had it happened and reached the seller the
item was taken off the market for various reasons. If it is put up in
on a buy it now / offer basis I'll respond as soon as I find it.
This is more of a bidding process than an auction.
Jim
12:03 p.m.
In article <53696378.6050301 at jwsss.com>,
jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
On 5/6/2014 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
Actually it is not most similar to a silent auction since everyone
sees each other's bids, even if only at the end after everyone has bid
at the last possible moment.
In a true silent auction, you never see other people's bids unless
they won the auction. Even then (like at GSA), you may not see who
won, just what the final winning bid was.
...and as has already been said multiple times on this thread, none of
this is new, this is the way ebay has always worked.
If you can't stand it so much, then stop calling other people assholes
or impugn their motives and just use something else besides ebay.
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JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not
real auction. It is most similar to a silent auction and
the fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology.
7:34 p.m.
On 5/7/2014 12:03 PM, Richard wrote:
In article <53696378.6050301 at jwsss.com>,
jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
I am not calling
anyone here an asshole, unless you want to defend for
everyone, or if you feel you are guilty of the practice, I fail to see
what that has to do with it. i condemned the behavior, as I don't see
how it is a positive thing to do, or have as an acceptable practice on
ebay or such sites.
I'm willing to listen and learn if there is a reason to do that.
i've never seen a silent auction that didn't have an open clipboard with
places to put entries. The bids are not sealed. again, sealed bidding
doesn't have more than a single bid submission and isn't an auction A
silent auction has a sheet with columns and lines. you put your name
and telephone # in one column (if the auction takes place over multiple
days, they call you when the end the auction) and your bid in the
other. And you can come back and up another bid. that makes it a form
of auction.
FWIW two more auctions with this practice, one from a 0 feedback
person. Spent someone elses money, not mine.
On 5/6/2014 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
Actually it is
not most similar to a silent auction since everyone
sees each other's bids, even if only at the end after everyone has bid
at the last possible moment.
In a true silent auction, you never see other people's bids unless
they won the auction. Even then (like at GSA), you may not see who
won, just what the final winning bid was.
...and as has already been said multiple times on this thread, none of
this is new, this is the way ebay has always worked.
If you can't stand it so much, then stop calling other people assholes
or impugn their motives and just use something else besides ebay. JUST LIKE A REAL AUCTION.
Ebay is not
real auction. It is most similar to a silent auction and
the fixed deadline for the end of bidding changes the psychology. 
8 May
8 May
12:10 a.m.
should I just redirect messages with "Re: Pdp8 on ebay" to /dev/null
from now on? and maybe do that on a pdp8 or a sym-1 for
that matter. :-)
lets stick to the scope of this list please and continue this
"discussion" in /rec/alt/ebay/bashing
just my 2 bits
On 08-05-14 04:34, Jim Stephens wrote:
I am not calling anyone here an asshole, unless you
want to defend for
everyone, or if you feel you are guilty of the practice, I fail to see
what that has to do with it. i condemned the behavior, as I don't see
how it is a positive thing to do, or have as an acceptable practice on
ebay or such sites.
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8:01 a.m.
On Thu, 8 May 2014, Simon Claessen wrote:
should I just redirect messages with "Re: Pdp8 on
ebay" to /dev/null from now
on? and maybe do that on a pdp8 or a sym-1 for that matter. :-)
lets stick to the scope of this list please and continue this "discussion" in
/rec/alt/ebay/bashing
ITYM alt.ebay.bash.bash.bash. HTH. HAND.
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10:51 a.m.
In article <536AED30.2050108 at jwsss.com>,
Jim Stephens <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
I am not calling anyone here an asshole, [...]
Yeah, you are.
I have bid early on items and bid repeatedly on items.
So you're calling me an asshole and probably some other people on this
list too.
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3 May
4:50 p.m.
On 5/3/2014 10:03 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 9:59 AM, jim s <jws at
jwsss.com> wrote:
Just my opinion, we have had this argument before.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/231215161473
Look at the original listing link, the the [27 bids] to see the bid
history, then "Show Automatic Bids" This shows the entire history both
automatic and human.
Keep note of the final time 8:55:54. Mr. (46) bid an amount of 2750
just around a minute to go, and was outbid by whatever Mr (751) had put
in 7:58PM the day before. So he had a minute to figure out how to come
up with more money. Hardly a good time to figure out that he didn't
have enough. He should have known the night before and put it in if he
was going to wait tilll only a minute before the end, since he probably
didn't have more to reasonably bid (or he would have) and an entire
minute is an eternity in these situations. Hence, "lame". If I want
something, I put in an incredibly large amount, which I bet (751) did
and I do it at about 15 secs left. If I'm on an actual budge, i might
put it in earlier.
Second on an item like this, what was the point of (247)'s 25 and 30
dollar increments? if he outbids, he will only be slightly over the bid
in place. IF he doesn't he is an asshole to spend the money of someone
else if he doesn't want really want to bid enough to take it. I mainly
snipe to avoid these idiots. I use the data they generate in
formulating my amount to bid, but if I do put in what I call a "guard'
bid I wish the ground or ebay would open up and they'd fall in and be
covered with ants and festering boils. there is no justification to
drop in and run up the bid and clearly not want it other than either
being a shill or an asshole.
Others have and will disagree, but that is the long form of my answer.
I buy a lot on ebay for my collection, and don't like to have to deal
with these things, but they are a fact of life. The bad sniper is
justified, just lame. the moron is at best a moron, at worst working in
collusion with the seller to run up the price.
jim
I don't know if you got it, but there was at
least one moron bidder in
there that could have run it up and a lame snipe attempt at the end. If
you had the large bid in, it held in spite of the snipe attempt and it went
for $2800 bucks.
It didn't bid on it, but you've got me curious. I know what sniping is,
but what constitutes "a lame snipe attempt"? And, for that matter, a
"moron
bidder"?
10:12 p.m.
On 5/3/2014 6:06 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, jwsmobile <jws at
jwsss.com> wrote:
Should have said that. Just was saying that so that the others in the
previous discussions didn't want to take it that i was raising a
discussion again. the "we" was not you and I or adversarial, but meant
to mean the list group.
Since writing I found another auction I'm looking at had one of the 20
buck at a time deals that went on for $300 bucks. That guy actually did
win the auction. I still don't understand why they do that. Maybe they
think ebay is really an auction setting, or maybe that they don't get
"silent" auctions, which is really what ebay is closer to.
jim
Just my opinion, we have had this argument
before.
I wasn't trying to start an argument or anything, I was just curious about
your perspective on it. Thanks for explaining.
Eric
4 May
4 May
6:46 a.m.
On May 4, 2014, at 1:12 AM, Jim Stephens wrote:
Since writing I found another auction I'm looking
at had one of the 20 buck at a time deals that went on for $300 bucks. That guy actually
did win the auction. I still don't understand why they do that. Maybe they think
ebay is really an auction setting, or maybe that they don't get "silent"
auctions, which is really what ebay is closer to.
My guess is it's usually a combination of the former and people who change their mind
about what the maximum they really want to pay is. I'm pretty careful to determine
ahead of time what my maximum is, then put it down (once) and walk away; otherwise,
it's challenging not to give into the impulse to "win" it and tack more on
if I'm outbid.
Yeah, sometimes they're shills, and it's hard to tell. But in most cases, I
don't think they are. I just have to laugh when I've put down what I'm
comfortable paying for an item and some idiot keeps adding $5 increments way below my bid.
It almost makes it worth paying more.
- Dave
5:41 p.m.
In article <536580C2.2000506 at jwsss.com>,
jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> writes:
[...] there is no justification to
drop in and run up the bid and clearly not want it other than either
being a shill or an asshole.
You are reading WAY too much into their behavior and assuming internal
mental states of other people that you have no possible way of knowing.
Just because someone bids using a different strategy from you and doesn't
use sniping neither makes them a shill nor an asshole.
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