5 Jan
2004
5 Jan
'04
2:43 p.m.
Giveth:
An old LA36 I got about 5 years ago, never even touched it, just pushed it
into a corner. Tonight I was cleaning out the room where I house "finished
systems", so sitting down for a rest I noticed the easy access door on the
back. Opened it to see what the inside of an LA36 looked like. Neatly
bundled up inside was an 8E async line interface card, complete with cable.
Yay!
Taketh Away:
After working years on my HP2000 restoration, it's finally done, except for
modifying the rails for the punch - but even with the wrong rails the punch
sits in the rack nicely. So, you're never "done" with a system restoration,
but I'm pretty much "done" with it. So, after cleaning out the room (aka
shrine) it has been destined for all these years, I roll the nice double bay
rack through the basement towards it's hallowed resting place... and stop
cold at the doorway. The rack is too big to fit through the door and into
the room. Not to be easily deterred, I looked around the door jam to see if
I could take the door frame out and make it through. No dice, even if I took
out the door frame. It's right on two studs, and the distance between studs
is about 2 inches short. Tomorrow night I may well contemplate cutting the
bottom of one of the studs off so the anti-tip ledge in front of the rack (a
whole ledge, not a leg - and it's not removeable) can fit through. Hope that
isn't a load bearing stud or whatever.
*sigh*
Jay West
5 Jan
5 Jan
6:45 p.m.
oh my Jay!
do you have the old iron cab or the alum. one. look at the systems at
www.smecc.org on the home page... if it is the dual cab. you can take the
two cabs. off the base after taking everything out of them and move it
though and then reassemble the cabs. on the base, reload the stuff and
viola! it is done... that is the only way we got it into the area it is
currently on display....
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 6:43 PM
Subject: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
Giveth:
An old LA36 I got about 5 years ago, never even touched it, just pushed it
into a corner. Tonight I was cleaning out the room where I house "finished
systems", so sitting down for a rest I noticed the easy access door on the
back. Opened it to see what the inside of an LA36 looked like. Neatly
bundled up inside was an 8E async line interface card, complete with
cable.
Yay!
Taketh Away:
After working years on my HP2000 restoration, it's finally done, except
for
modifying the rails for the punch - but even with the
wrong rails the
punch
sits in the rack nicely. So, you're never
"done" with a system
restoration,
but I'm pretty much "done" with it. So,
after cleaning out the room (aka
shrine) it has been destined for all these years, I roll the nice double
bay
rack through the basement towards it's hallowed
resting place... and stop
cold at the doorway. The rack is too big to fit through the door and into
the room. Not to be easily deterred, I looked around the door jam to see
if
I could take the door frame out and make it through.
No dice, even if I
took
out the door frame. It's right on two studs, and
the distance between
studs
is about 2 inches short. Tomorrow night I may well
contemplate cutting the
bottom of one of the studs off so the anti-tip ledge in front of the rack
(a
whole ledge, not a leg - and it's not removeable)
can fit through. Hope
that
isn't a load bearing stud or whatever.
*sigh*
Jay West
6 Jan
6 Jan
6:49 a.m.
I roll the nice double bay
rack through the basement towards it's hallowed resting place... and stop
cold at the doorway. The rack is too big to fit through the door and into
the room.
maybe it's a suggestion to put it upstairs so we don't hear it being taken in
those dreadful "my basement flooded" stories that I have heard too often.
What can you possibly be doing with the master bedroom that doesn't
need a warm glowing and blinking object in the corner.
Sure it has fans, but if you are a proper NRA member, you have the
proper ear protection to guard against that.
Jim
11:30 a.m.
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, jim wrote:
What can you possibly be doing with the master bedroom
that doesn't
need a warm glowing and blinking object in the corner.
That would seem to describe his wife wearing Christmas lights.
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11:47 a.m.
That or a very radioactive wife....
Lyle
On Tuesday 06 January 2004 14:30, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2004, jim wrote:
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"Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
What can you possibly be doing with the master
bedroom that doesn't
need a warm glowing and blinking object in the corner.
That would seem to describe his wife wearing Christmas lights.
3:26 p.m.
You wrote....
maybe it's a suggestion to put it upstairs so we
don't hear it being taken
in
those dreadful "my basement flooded" stories
that I have heard too often.
Only with a crane would it be moved upstairs. It has
the eyebolts for it,
and that's the recommended method as per the rack manual :)
What can you possibly be doing with the master bedroom
that doesn't
need a warm glowing and blinking object in the corner.
Not a thing *G*
Sure it has fans, but if you are a proper NRA member,
you have the
proper ear protection to guard against that.
(looking in the closet) SKS (tricked
out), M1, Mosin-Nagant... yeah, I
qualify :)
J
3:45 p.m.
Jay West wrote:
(looking in the closet) SKS (tricked out), M1, Mosin-Nagant... yeah, I
qualify :)
J
Sounds like my closet - Mosin-Nagent, Savage 30-06, 50 cal Muzzle
Loader, M1911A, 380 "Carry" weapon, PDP-11/73 CPU, RQDX3, etc, etc, etc.
It seems people who collect old computers also tend to collect
fire-arms. Old cars also seem to be popular among the classic computer set.
By the way, does anyone know if a Webster SRQ11-B will control an RD-54?
3:59 p.m.
Christopher McNabb wrote:
By the way, does anyone know if a Webster SRQ11-B will
control an RD-54?
Jerome Fine replies:
PROBABLY!
At one point I had a Sigma RQD11-B controller which
is likely the equivalent. It was used to run an RD51
(ST412). If I remember, there was sufficient capability
to accommodate an RD54 (Maxtor XT2090 - something
close) and 159 MBytes.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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7 Jan
7 Jan
1:15 a.m.
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 02:45, Christopher McNabb wrote:
It seems people who collect old computers also tend to
collect
fire-arms. Old cars also seem to be popular among the classic computer set.
Over here in glorious sunny Scotland, most of the geeky computer
collectors tend to run around in mid-to-late-80s, very high spec cars.
The reason being, they're very cheap to buy when the electrickery goes
wrong (or in the case of my beloved Citroens, the hydraulic suspension),
but fairly easy to fix if you have the right sort of mind.
Gordon.
9:23 a.m.
Over here in glorious sunny Scotland, most of the
geeky computer
collectors tend to run around in mid-to-late-80s, very high spec cars.
The reason being, they're very cheap to buy when the electrickery goes
I keep as far from electronics in cars as I can. Too hard to fix at the
roadside, and the official manuals never contain really useful
information -- they assume you don't have a 'scope and logic analyser.
Therefore you're restricted to swaping darn expensive modules.
wrong (or in the case of my beloved Citroens, the
hydraulic suspension),
but fairly easy to fix if you have the right sort of mind.
On the other hand I _love_ Citroen hydraulics. My dream car, if I ever
learn to drive is a DS. My father has a BX, and I've spent many enjoyable
hours fixing it. Actually, it's been very reliable -- I've just changed
the clutch for the first time in 10 years (one of his previous cars
needed a new clutch every 2 years!). The hydraulics have proved to be a
non-problem -- I've had to replace the return pipes (they're 'rubber' and
they failed after about 9 years), the odd seal, and one metal pipe that
was mangled by an idiot garage after an accident repair. The system is
really easy to work on when you get used to it (and if you have the
diagrams in the official manual -- I do!)
-tony
11 a.m.
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive? Where in Europe are you? Is
everything really that packed together that you can walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Tony Duell wrote:
On the other hand I _love_ Citroen hydraulics. My
dream car, if I ever
learn to drive is a DS. My father has a BX, and I've spent many enjoyable
hours fixing it. Actually, it's been very reliable -- I've just changed
the clutch for the first time in 10 years (one of his previous cars
needed a new clutch every 2 years!). The hydraulics have proved to be a
non-problem -- I've had to replace the return pipes (they're 'rubber' and
they failed after about 9 years), the odd seal, and one metal pipe that
was mangled by an idiot garage after an accident repair. The system is
really easy to work on when you get used to it (and if you have the
diagrams in the official manual -- I do!)
-tony
11:57 a.m.
New subject: CompuPro docs...
I posted the Customization Guide for Concurrent DOS 8-16 to the
retroarchive.org site yesterday. It's an OCR'd and proofread PDF file.
I expect to have the installation guide up in the next day or so. enjoy!
g.
4:21 p.m.
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive? Where in Europe are you? Is
Yep.... One day I really must start learning...
everything really that packed together that you can
walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
I'm in London, and I find the public transport (particularly buses) to be
quite useable at off-peak times. OK, it's not too convenient if you want
to bring home a PDP11 (although I _have_ carried 19" rack units on buses
:-)), but it's possible...
-tony
10:07 p.m.
Hi,
Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> said:
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive? Where in
Europe are you? Is
everything really that packed together that you can walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
I don't drive, but I fix cars too - in fact I've built one from scratch!
I live on Merseyside and public transport works qiuite well (I *have* to
say that - I worked for Local Govt transport!). Anyway all my friends
have cars :-)
I used to ride a motorcycle though, still got 3 engines, 2 gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder if anyone's
wants to know.
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Cheers,
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The future was never like this!
8 Jan
8 Jan
1:56 a.m.
At 09:07 AM 1/8/04 +0000, Stan Barr wrote:
Hi,
Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> said:
An Ariel???? How old is that thing? I haven't heard of an Ariel in AT
LEAST 30 years.
I still have a 1972 Ossa Stiletto and 1980 something Honda 500 but I
seldom ride them any more. Traffic is just too crazy her in Orlando. Plenty
of cars in the familty. Just went out and bought a new Hyundai Elantra for
my son two weeks ago. Bought cars for both the other kids and my OL has one
and I have a truck.
Joe
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive?
Where in Europe are you? Is
everything really that packed together that you can walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
I don't drive, but I fix cars too - in fact I've built one from scratch!
I live on Merseyside and public transport works qiuite well (I *have* to
say that - I worked for Local Govt transport!). Anyway all my friends
have cars :-)
I used to ride a motorcycle though, still got 3 engines, 2 gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder if anyone's
wants to know.
2:43 a.m.
Now This is Cool.... somebody on a non-motorcycle list that know what an
Ossa is! I just bought a pair of Ossas a week ago. I bought an 74 SDR
and a 75 Phantom. The SDR is pretty much complete, but does need work.
The Phantom was ridden pretty hard and could really use a full
restoration. I also have a 68/69 Pioneer that I took apart when I was
16. I'm just starting to buy parts for it now, and hope to have it
ridable this summer.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Joe wrote:
I still have a 1972 Ossa Stiletto and 1980 something
Honda 500 but I
seldom ride them any more. Traffic is just too crazy her in Orlando. Plenty
of cars in the family. Just went out and bought a new Hyundai Elantra for
my son two weeks ago. Bought cars for both the other kids and my OL has one
and I have a truck.
Joe
3:13 a.m.
And, if you put all those bits in a big wooden crate, would it be an
Ossuary?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Now This is Cool.... somebody on a non-motorcycle list
that know what an
Ossa is! I just bought a pair of Ossas a week ago. I bought an 74 SDR
and a 75 Phantom. The SDR is pretty much complete, but does need work.
The Phantom was ridden pretty hard and could really use a full
restoration. I also have a 68/69 Pioneer that I took apart when I was
16. I'm just starting to buy parts for it now, and hope to have it
ridable this summer.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Joe wrote:
--
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Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
I still have a 1972 Ossa Stiletto and 1980
something Honda 500 but I
seldom ride them any more. Traffic is just too crazy her in Orlando. Plenty
of cars in the family. Just went out and bought a new Hyundai Elantra for
my son two weeks ago. Bought cars for both the other kids and my OL has one
and I have a truck.
Joe
11:36 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <General(a)internet1.net>et>; "Discussion(a)internet1.net :On-Topic and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
values -support your local store - and walk to it.
Geoff.
Now This is Cool.... somebody on a non-motorcycle list
that know what an
Ossa is! I just bought a pair of Ossas a week ago. I bought an 74 SDR
and a 75 Phantom. The SDR is pretty much complete, but does need work.
The Phantom was ridden pretty hard and could really use a full
restoration. I also have a 68/69 Pioneer that I took apart when I was
16. I'm just starting to buy parts for it now, and hope to have it
ridable this summer.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Joe wrote:
> I still have a 1972 Ossa Stiletto and 1980 something Honda 500 but I
> seldom ride them any more. Traffic is just too crazy her in Orlando.
Plenty
> of cars in the family. Just went out and bought a
new Hyundai Elantra
for
> my son two weeks ago. Bought cars for both the
other kids and my OL has
one
and I have a
truck.
Joe
The oil ain't gonna last forever you know - start taking up some European
2:32 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
Yeah, every time you buy a gas guzzler another one of my distant relatives
has to take a bullet. In the very least, please don't buy a Hummer :)
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The oil
ain't gonna last forever you know - start taking up some European
values
-support your local store - and walk to it. 
9 Jan
9 Jan
1:53 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake:
Yeah, every time you buy a gas guzzler another one of my distant relatives
has to take a bullet. In the very least, please don't buy a Hummer :)
Then you don't want to come to Boston dude.. They are everywhere here. :(
I have also seen a stretch Hummer. (ie about the length of a limo!!!)
Cheers,
Bryan
2:10 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Pope" <bpope(a)wordstock.com>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: OT: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild
humor/angst)
I guess if you drive in snowbanks or haul stuff around alot an SUV is handy,
a normal 2 door pasenger car is all I ever owned (well and an old covette).
I'm in Ohio and have seen stretched SUV type limos (wonder what gas milage
they get).
And thusly Vintage Computer Festival spake:
>
> Yeah, every time you buy a gas guzzler another one of my distant
relatives
has to take a
bullet. In the very least, please don't buy a Hummer :)
Then you don't want to come to Boston dude.. They are everywhere here. :(
I have also seen a stretch Hummer. (ie about the length of a limo!!!)
Cheers,
Bryan
8 Jan
8 Jan
7:44 a.m.
Hi,
Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> said:
At 09:07 AM 1/8/04 +0000, Stan Barr wrote:
The parts I have left are early '50s - the frame is '52. It all started
when I bought a 1939 ex-War Department(RAF) 350cc one back in the late
'60s and accumulated a few more - sounds like the way computer collections
get started :-) Also have some Maico bits somewhere...
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Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
I used to ride a motorcycle though, still got 3
engines, 2 gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder if anyone's
wants to know.
An Ariel???? How old is that thing? I haven't heard of an Ariel in AT
LEAST 30 years. 
8:54 a.m.
I used to ride a motorcycle though, still got 3
engines, 2
gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder
if anyone's
wants to know.
An Ariel???? How old is that thing? I haven't heard of an Ariel
in AT
LEAST 30 years. from a car show in the late '60s. I was riding a
BSA 650
Lightning at that time, long gone now, but I still have the
shop manual if anyone needs it.
-nick o
9:20 a.m.
Hi,
"Nick Oliviero" <oliv555(a)arrl.net> said:
Didn't know they built a single,
Ariel made their name with singles before WW2 - the late '30s Red Hunter
was a fine bike in it's day, considered very sporty, with an after-market
Hartley cam and a 1 3/16 TT carb fitted it was a genuine 100mph machine.
Post war models were heavier and slower but still very pleasant and
reliable bikes - and not *too* inclined to spew their oil all over the
place :-)
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
I used to ride
a motorcycle though, still got 3 engines, 2
gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder
if anyone's
wants to know.
An Ariel???? How old is that thing? I haven't heard of an Ariel
in AT
LEAST 30 years.
10:07 a.m.
Ariel is cool!
always wanted a square four....
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stan Barr" <stanb(a)dial.pipex.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
Hi,
Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> said:
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive?
Where in Europe are you? Is
everything really that packed together that you can walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
I don't drive, but I fix cars too - in fact I've built one from scratch!
I live on Merseyside and public transport works qiuite well (I *have* to
say that - I worked for Local Govt transport!). Anyway all my friends
have cars :-)
I used to ride a motorcycle though, still got 3 engines, 2 gearboxes
and a frame etc. somewhere - Ariel single-cylinder if anyone's
wants to know.
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
3:05 a.m.
Somehow, I thought a RouteMaster was more tony's style...
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Wow Tony, you fix cars but don't drive? Where in
Europe are you? Is
everything really that packed together that you can walk, ride a bike,
or take a bus?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Tony Duell wrote:
--
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
On the other hand I _love_ Citroen hydraulics. My
dream car, if I ever
learn to drive is a DS. My father has a BX, and I've spent many enjoyable
hours fixing it. Actually, it's been very reliable -- I've just changed
the clutch for the first time in 10 years (one of his previous cars
needed a new clutch every 2 years!). The hydraulics have proved to be a
non-problem -- I've had to replace the return pipes (they're 'rubber' and
they failed after about 9 years), the odd seal, and one metal pipe that
was mangled by an idiot garage after an accident repair. The system is
really easy to work on when you get used to it (and if you have the
diagrams in the official manual -- I do!)
-tony
9 Jan
9 Jan
7:43 a.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Red Ken has turned around on these because they are such a tourist
attraction, they are to stay around for a while yet.
Dan
Somehow, I
thought a RouteMaster was more tony's style...
However did you guesss :-). Alas Routmasters are slowly disappearing from
London streets, being replaced by horrible modern things. But there are
still enough around at the moment ;-)
-tony
7 Jan
7 Jan
4:38 a.m.
Sounds like my closet - Mosin-Nagent, Savage 30-06, 50
cal Muzzle
Loader, M1911A, 380 "Carry" weapon, PDP-11/73 CPU, RQDX3, etc, etc,
etc.
It seems people who collect old computers also tend to collect
fire-arms. Old cars also seem to be popular among the classic
computer set.
LOL... How about matching things up? A Glock for my iMac, an NAA Mini
Revolver for my Palm(human or computer! :P), an AR-15 for my
PDP-11/84, a broken Mosin-Nagant for my unused Series/1...
OK, there is one problem with the car thing. Old Volkswagens don't
carry racks very well! Smaller stuff fits into my Bug OK, but you
really need a large van to move the big stuff. On the plus side, my
VW does great in this horrible winter weather! We have snow drifts
covered in ice right now, some drifts as deep as 2 feet, but for the
most part we only got 6-8" in this last storm. It's the freezing rain
that gets it! I have to stop every 5 miles or so to scrape off the
windows so I can see where I'm going.
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6 Jan
4:51 p.m.
remember though, a 12 gauge takes less aiming, especially if it has a short
barrel!
ed sharpe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
To: <jwstephens(a)msm.umr.edu>du>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: the computer gods giveth, and take away (mild humor/angst)
You wrote....
> maybe it's a suggestion to put it upstairs so we don't hear it being
taken
in
> those dreadful "my basement flooded" stories that I have heard too
often.
Only with a crane would it be moved upstairs. It has
the eyebolts for it,
and that's the recommended method as per the rack manual :)
What can you possibly be doing with the master
bedroom that doesn't
need a warm glowing and blinking object in the corner.
Not a thing *G*
Sure it has fans, but if you are a proper NRA
member, you have the
proper ear protection to guard against that.
(looking in the closet) SKS (tricked
out), M1, Mosin-Nagant... yeah, I
qualify :)
J
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