2 Jan
2004
2 Jan
'04
2:59 p.m.
I'm looking for information on my VT340+. What I want is in Volume 1 of
the programming manual (the Text part, not the Graphics part). I've tried
google and looking on vt100.net, among other places.
What I'd really like to know is how to change colors while in text mode on
the VT340. It doesn't take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x ), so it's
gotta be someting else if it is possible.
If anyone knows, I'd much appreciate the response : )
Thanks,
Pat
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2 Jan
2 Jan
2:37 p.m.
On Fri, 2 Jan 2004, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
I'm looking for information on my VT340+. What I
want is in Volume 1 of
the programming manual (the Text part, not the Graphics part). I've
tried google and looking on vt100.net, among other places.
What I'd really like to know is how to change colors while in text mode
on the VT340. It doesn't take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x ), so
it's gotta be someting else if it is possible.
If anyone knows, I'd much appreciate the response : )
I'm also interested in this information, and haven't yet found anything
online.
Also, if anyone turns up a service manual for a VT340, I'd like to obtain
a copy.
-Toth
3 Jan
3 Jan
1:01 a.m.
I'm also interested in this information, and
haven't yet
found anything online.
I don't think the VT340 programming manual is online, although
http://vt100.net does have the graphics programming manual up.
Also, if anyone turns up a service manual for a VT340,
I'd
like to obtain a copy.
Again vt100.net has the VT330 pocket service guide, which might
at least provide some clues.
If Fred reads this, I expect he'll point you to links for:
EK-VT340-IP-003 VT340 VIDEO TERMINAL Illustrated Parts Breakdown
EK-VT34R-SV-001 VT340+ Model G Service Guide
EK-VT330-IP-003 VT330 VIDEO TERMINAL Illustrated Parts Breakdown
EK-VT330-PS-002 VT330 Pocket Service Guide
EK-VT33R-SV-001 VT330+ Models G, H, and J Service Guide
Otherwise, email me in a few days and I'll see how big they are
and find some suitable way of getting the ones you want to you.
Antonio
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2 Jan
2 Jan
10:55 p.m.
Patrick Finnegan wrote:
What I'd really like to know is how to change colors while in text mode on
the VT340. It doesn't take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x ), so it's
gotta be someting else if it is possible.
The Text Programming manual doesn't provide much information about this,
except to say (offhand, while dealing with differences between the VT241
and VT340) that the VT340 maps character attributes to colours, if
you've set the "Color Map" feature in the Global Set-Up screen to
"color 2".
Colour map entry 7 corresponds to normal, 8 to negative and 15 to bold.
It doesn't say how combinations of visual attributes map to colour map
entries, so I'd set up 7 to 15 in different colours and experiment!
There are two ways of setting up the displayed colours:
1. Using RGB or HLS coordinates in ReGIS mode. (Easy, as you've got the
Graphics Programming volume)
2. Uploading all the colours at once, using DECRSTS to restore a colour
table map. This needs some experimenting, so here are some hints from
the manual:
Request Color Table Report (DECRQTSR)
CSI 2 ; Ps2 $ u
where Ps2 = 0 -> HLS (default); 1 -> HLS; 2 -> RGB
The terminal will send back a Color Table Report (DECCTR)
DCS 2 $ s D...D ST
where
D...D is the data string containing the color table information. The
data string is divided into groups of five values, as follows.
Pc; Pu; Px; Py; Pz / Pc; Pu; Px; Py; Pz / ...
where
Pc is the color number (0 through 255).
; (semicolon, 3/11) separates the parameters.
Pu indicates the universal coordinate system used (1=HLS,2=RGB)
Px;Py;Pz are color coordinates in the specified coordinate system.
Param HLS Values RGB Balues
Px 0 to 360 (hue angle) 0 to 100 (red intensity)
Py 0 to 100 (lightness) 0 to 100 (green intensity)
Pz 0 to 100 (saturation) 0 to 100 (blue intensity)
You can then restore color table information with:
Restore Terminal State (DECRSTS)
DCS 2 $ p D...D ST
where D...D is as above. You could try restoring a partial table with
this method. I'd like to know what happens.
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Paul
3 Jan
3 Jan
4:45 a.m.
It doesn't take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x
),
Which ANSI standard specifies that? X3.64 - at least the version I
read - lists CSI-...-x as reserved for private/experimental use. (When
people speak of "ANSI colour", then usually mean the ISO 6429 values to
the SGR (CSI-...-m) sequence; if there really is such a thing as an
ANSI sequence for colour, I'd like to find out more about it.)
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11:56 a.m.
On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, der Mouse wrote:
That should be ESC [ x ; y m
I don't know what standard it is/isn't, but it's used in every "color
VT-100" terminal emulation I know of... the ANSI.SYS for MS-DOS, and
Linux's "linux" terminal type, to name two of them.
Pat
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It doesn't
take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x ),
Which ANSI standard specifies that? X3.64 - at least the version I
read - lists CSI-...-x as reserved for private/experimental use. (When
people speak of "ANSI colour", then usually mean the ISO 6429 values to
the SGR (CSI-...-m) sequence; if there really is such a thing as an
ANSI sequence for colour, I'd like to find out more about it.)
1:09 p.m.
It doesn't take ANSI color strings ( ESC [ x ; y x
),
[???] (When people speak of "ANSI colour", then usually mean the
ISO 6429 values to the SGR (CSI-...-m) sequence; if there really is
such a thing as an ANSI sequence for colour, I'd like to find out
more about it.) I don't know what standard it is/isn't,
CSI-...-m (ESC-[ is the 7-bit version of CSI) is specified in ANSI
X3.64 (which builds on X3.41). However, X3.64 specifies only parameter
values 0 through 7 and 10 through 20, at least in the revision I read.
Parameter values 8, 30..37, and 40..47 (the latter two ranges
specifying colours) are, apparently, specified by ISO 6429, though I
don't know where I found that; I don't know whether ANSI has picked
them up nor, if so, under what standard or revision.
but it's used in every "color VT-100"
terminal emulation I know of...
the ANSI.SYS for MS-DOS, and Linux's "linux" terminal type, to name
two of them.
Oh, certainly. It's just that calling it ANSI is, as far as I know, a
misnomer; the SGR sequence (CSI-...-m) is ANSI, but not the
colour-selecting parameter values. (Such things usually, actually,
implement both less and more than X3.64, even ignoring the SGR
parameter issue. They usually do some things that VT-100s do that
aren't specified in X3.64, like ESC-[-...-r (CSI-...-p through
CSI-...-~ are reserved for private use by X3.64) and don't do a lot of
things X3.64 does specify (like DAQ, GSM/GSS, HTJ, JFY, SL...there is
an awful lot in X3.64 that I've never actually seen implemented).
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2:02 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
CSI-...-m (ESC-[ is the 7-bit version of CSI) is
specified in ANSI
X3.64 (which builds on X3.41). However, X3.64 specifies only parameter
values 0 through 7 and 10 through 20, at least in the revision I read.
ANSI X3.64 is obsolete; there will not be any further revisions.
Parameter values 8, 30..37, and 40..47 (the latter two
ranges
specifying colours) are, apparently, specified by ISO 6429
ISO 6429 and ECMA 48 are almost identical, and ECMA 48 is free.
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-048.htm
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Paul
2:38 p.m.
X3.64
specifies only parameter values 0 through 7 and 10 through 20,
at least in the revision I read.
ANSI X3.64 is obsolete; there will not be any
further revisions. ISO 6429
ISO 6429 and ECMA 48 are almost identical, and ECMA 48 is free.
http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-048.htm
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