9 Aug
2008
9 Aug
'08
11:10 a.m.
Those with an interest in the ETH Lilith Modula-2 should point
their FTP clients to
ftp://jdreesen.dyndns.org/ftp/lilith
where they will find plenty of data concerning that machine.
Most important is a binary image of the Lilith Systemdisk, and a
directory containing all files ( more then 700..) of that systemdisk.
Among these files are :
Medos binaries and source code.
Modula-2 compiler binaries with source code.
Lilith system utilities with source code.
Bootfiles and system files.
Microcode sources and assembler
Manual
Also available are hardware docu and some screenshots.
Enjoy ,
Jos Dreesen
Server is on a basic DSL line, so download speeds will vary....
9 Aug
9 Aug
6:03 p.m.
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
Those with an interest in the ETH Lilith Modula-2
should point their
FTP clients to
ftp://jdreesen.dyndns.org/ftp/lilith
where they will find plenty of data concerning that machine.
Most important is a binary image of the Lilith Systemdisk, and a
directory containing all files ( more then 700..) of that systemdisk.
Among these files are :
Medos binaries and source code.
Modula-2 compiler binaries with source code.
Lilith system utilities with source code.
Bootfiles and system files.
Microcode sources and assembler
Manual
Also available are hardware docu and some screenshots.
Enjoy ,
Jos Dreesen
But can one build the hardware from scratch?
None of this software emulation.
Server is on a basic DSL line, so download speeds will vary....
10 Aug
10 Aug
12:04 a.m.
Enjoy ,
If you can stomach wiring up 1000 ic's, why not....
There are no custom IC's inside the Lilith.
A FPGA solution would be more realistic.
But then the diskdrive and its cartridges are unobtainium.
Jos
Jos Dreesen
But can one build the hardware from scratch?
None of this software emulation.
12:25 a.m.
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
Enjoy ,
If you can stomach wiring up 1000 ic's, why not....
There are no custom IC's inside the Lilith.
A FPGA solution would be more realistic.
CPLD's are cheap and easy to program now days.
I suspect getting high speed 2901's and proms
for any micro-programed machine is tricky.
Jos Dreesen
But can one build the hardware from scratch?
None of this software emulation. But then the diskdrive and its cartridges are
unobtainium.
So what else is new?
Still it sounds like a good project on this side of the pond -
a well designed stack machine rather FORTH projects that
every body seems to be building.
Jos
12:42 a.m.
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
So what else is new?
Nothing, it is a 25 year old machine by now....
Still it sounds like a good project on this side of
the pond -
a well designed stack machine rather FORTH projects that
every body seems to be building.
Yes, but an exact copy remains a major undertaking.
jos
1:05 a.m.
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca wrote:
Too bad most people want
a APPLE I clone.
I just took a quick look at the design, and in retrospect
I suspect 16bit addressing and data seems to be the limiting
factor of this design. I'll have download more later to confirm
this idea.
So what else is new?
Nothing, it is a 25 year old machine by now....
Still it sounds like a good project on this side
of the pond -
a well designed stack machine rather FORTH projects that
every body seems to be building.
Yes, but an exact copy remains a major undertaking. jos
4:46 p.m.
Jos Dreesen / Marian Capel wrote:
I re-posted your message to fpga-cpu as the talk was about
stack machines.
Those with an interest in the ETH Lilith Modula-2
should point their
FTP clients to
ftp://jdreesen.dyndns.org/ftp/lilith
From fpga-cpu
rtstofer wrote:
Even with out
front panels, here is some food for thought
for a nice machine that is begging to be re-implimented again
in hardware.
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Those with an interest in the ETH Lilith Modula-2 should point
their FTP
clients to
ftp://jdreesen.dyndns.org/ftp/lilith
where they will find plenty of data concerning that machine.
Most important is a binary image of the Lilith Systemdisk, and a
directory containing all files ( more then 700..) of that
systemdisk.
Among these files are :
Medos binaries and source code.
Modula-2 compiler binaries with source code.
Lilith system utilities with source code.
Bootfiles and system files.
Microcode sources and assembler
Manual
Also available are hardware docu and some screenshots.
Enjoy ,
Jos Dreesen
Server is on a basic DSL line, so download speeds will vary....
---------------
I have always been a huge fan of Niklaus Wirth and I have attempted
to build a similar processor for the P4 P-Code. I really liked using
UCSD Pascal in the early days until the licenses were revoked.
Bummer...
The Lilith project is VERY interesting. It will be quite easy to
increase the speed by an order of magnitude. The 64 bit memory will
be an issue when using FPGA development boards. I'll have to look
into that.
I have been banging your DSL all morning downloading everything in
sight.
The only retro projects I am excited about are those with complete
software.
I'm going to be looking very hard at this project.
Richard
4:58 p.m.
New subject: More ETH Lilith goodies available.
I have some of the Eve machines that are successors to the Lilith, but
alas I have no docs and have to do some repairs in order to get a
fully working system (no mouse, no display, no keyboard).
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