30 Jan
2018
30 Jan
'18
12:17 p.m.
Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for all of the 2018 Vintage
Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different
shirt color.
Dan Roganti aka Ragooman used to design the VCF East shirts. Any
similarity to him or his interests in the current design is purely
coincidental. :)
https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png
30 Jan
30 Jan
10:15 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for all
of the 2018 Vintage
Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different shirt
color.
https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png
Is that a ColecoVision?
31 Jan
31 Jan
3:52 p.m.
Looks like it to me.
Shelf looks like:
Apple II
IMSAI
CollecoVision
Of course, I could definitely be wrong and it could be a PDP in middle or
another unusual model (sol-20?) on top.
In any event, nice shirt :-)
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Glen Slick via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Is that a ColecoVision?
7:02 a.m.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2018, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:
Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for all
of the 2018 Vintage
Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different shirt
color.
Dan Roganti aka Ragooman used to design the VCF East shirts. Any similarity
to him or his interests in the current design is purely
coincidental. :)
https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png
Just...no.
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8:26 a.m.
> Here's a sneak preview of the shirt design for
all of the 2018 Vintage
> Computer Federation events. As usual, each event will have a different
> shirt color.
> Dan Roganti aka Ragooman used to design the VCF East shirts. Any
> similarity to him or his interests in the current design is purely
> coincidental. :)
> https://vcfed.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/pnw-shirt-front-1.png
Just...no.
That's not Pavl.
The "nuts" and "bolts" should be capacitors and chips.
The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk should be replaced by
an Escher Fork (aka impossible trident).
soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he works on.
inadequate clutter.
howzbout some books and schematics
10:09 a.m.
Gene wrote...
Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.
Fred wrote...
The "nuts" and "bolts" should be
capacitors and chips.
The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be replaced by
an
Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he >works on.
inadequate clutter.
howzbout some books and schematics
Completely agreed (Fred). But by the time you add all that... it's too
detailed for a t-shirt. Actually, already is.
J
12:31 p.m.
Gene wrote...
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Jay West wrote:
Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.
Fred wrote...
The "nuts" and "bolts" should
be capacitors and chips.
The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be replaced by
an
Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he >works on.
inadequate clutter.
howzbout some books and schematics
Completely agreed (Fred). But by the time you add all
that... it's too
detailed for a t-shirt. Actually, already is.
Then, howzbout: leave out the guy. He isn't "distinctive" enough to add
much. Then just show a cluttered vintage computer collector workbench.
12:44 p.m.
Gene wrote...
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Jay West wrote:
Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.
Fred wrote...
The "nuts" and "bolts" should
be capacitors and chips.
The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be
replaced by
an Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he >works on.
inadequate clutter.
howzbout some books and schematics
Completely agreed (Fred). But by the time you add
all that... it's too
detailed for a t-shirt. Actually, already is.
Then, howzbout: leave out the guy.? He isn't "distinctive" enough to add
much.? Then just show a cluttered vintage computer collector workbench. 
12:56 p.m.
I've been told the fellow in the picture is someone active from the
community who I had never heard of or recognized, but who has fallen ill.-
which is very sad.
And the shirt was made to recognize him.
My criticism of the shirt was, admittedly, originally based on the
"stereotypical computer collector" on front.
While I'm not a big fan of the design in general, it's a nice gesture and I
think it would be helpful if Evan and co. chimed in with the context of the
shirt and why it exists- maybe a bit more about who the guy on it is.
Without this context, I ended up criticizing it for something it didn't
intend to portray- inadvertently insulting the subject in the process. :^(
Context! It's important! Not everyone picks up on every reference.
- Ian
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Gene wrote...
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Just...no.
Yeah, agreed. No.
Fred wrote...
The "nuts" and "bolts" should
be capacitors and chips.
The squared off U shaped object nearest on the desk >should be replaced
by
an Escher Fork (aka impossible >trident).
soldering iron and scope, instead of hammer.
maybe some magic smoke escaping from whatever he >works on.
inadequate clutter.
howzbout some books and schematics
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Jay West wrote: Completely agreed (Fred). But by the time you add
all that... it's too
detailed for a t-shirt. Actually, already is.
Then, howzbout: leave out the guy. He isn't "distinctive" enough to add
much. Then just show a cluttered vintage computer collector workbench.
1:03 p.m.
> I think it would be helpful if Evan and co. chimed
in with the context of the shirt and why it exists- maybe a bit more about who the guy on
it is.
Fair enough.
It's a caricature of Dan Roganti aka Ragooman on this list, VC Forum,
various Apple and S-100 forums, etc.
Dan drew most of the early VCF East shirts in a certain style. Everyone
liked those. Now he's going through a tough time (not my place to
elaborate here), so we decided to make a shirt in his honor, using the
same style.
My favorite parts are the cat and the robot.
1:11 p.m.
Thanks, Evan. With that bit of background, I personally enjoy the design
quite a bit more- and the 'quirkiness' makes a lot more sense.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think it would be helpful if Evan and co. chimed in
with the context of
Fair enough.
It's a caricature of Dan Roganti aka Ragooman on this list, VC Forum,
various Apple and S-100 forums, etc.
Dan drew most of the early VCF East shirts in a certain style. Everyone
liked those. Now he's going through a tough time (not my place to elaborate
here), so we decided to make a shirt in his honor, using the same style.
My favorite parts are the cat and the robot.
--
Ian Finder
(206) 395-MIPS
ian.finder at gmail.com
the shirt
and why it exists- maybe a bit more about who the guy on it is.
1:22 p.m.
>> I think it would be helpful if Evan and co.
chimed in with the context
>> of the shirt and why it exists- maybe a bit more about who the guy on
>> it is.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:
Fair enough.
It's a caricature of Dan Roganti aka Ragooman on this list, VC Forum,
various Apple and S-100 forums, etc.
Dan drew most of the early VCF East shirts in a certain style. Everyone
liked those. Now he's going through a tough time (not my place to
elaborate here), so we decided to make a shirt in his honor, using the
same style.
OK!
If it's not too late to make changes, could you put "Ragooman" on a
nametag, desk nameplate, a disk label, or on a book or other item in the
picture?
I had just assumed that it was a generic person.
Being in honor of a specific person changes a lot, although how many
people would recognize that without some hints?
My favorite parts are the cat and the robot.
Those are good.
I still stand by my suggestions, a jar of caps, maybe an Escher fork, etc.
I'm sorry that you didn't think that those suggestions were very positive.
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