17 Apr
2007
17 Apr
'07
9:57 p.m.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list who have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
Pulsar Little Big Board - z80 CP/M 2.2
Bondewll 2 - z80 - CP/M 2.2
On the list of non CP/M systems:
3 x Apple II 5.25" disk systems
7 x Apple Mac systems (various)
TRS-80 Model 1, 4, 4P
2 x Disk Smith System 80
1 Exidy Sourcerer
1 Energy Control Rockwell 65F11 (forth) system
1 Homebrew 65F12 system
Amstrad CPC464
TI99/4A - No disk system though :-(
Bucketloads of HP & TI Calculators
No DEC Equipment - So can't help there (But I do have a SBC6120 PDP8
emulator.)
Doug
17 Apr
17 Apr
10:12 p.m.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
I have a Commodore 128, which should qualify. However, I'll freely admit that
it is rarely in its CP/M 3.0 capacity.
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10:53 p.m.
On 17/04/07, Cameron Kaiser <spectre at floodgap.com> wrote:
I have a Commodore 128, which should qualify. However,
I'll freely admit that
it is rarely in its CP/M 3.0 capacity.
Ditto here, and it's actually quite nice with a 1581 drive. But I've
only had it for a few weeks now (the 1581 that is; that gave me the
capability to create disks using a modern Linux box). Definitively
something to spend some more time playing with.
I used to have a NorthStar Advantage (now with a more knowledgeable
collector) and a DEC Rainbow (can't remember what happened to it - I
think it went to a local (Montreal area)DEC collector; if you're on
the list, gimme a shout :-) On the N*, I tried a bit of programming
for a bit, but the Rainbow I used mostly to play Infocom games.
To crank the thread into a slightly other direction: did anyone ever
make a CP/M 68k for the Amiga? Knowing that the boot sequence is
pretty simple - loading the first few kb from a floppy(*) - one could
easily put a bootstrap in there and load a simple BIOS. Sure, the
text needs to be drawn on a bitmap display, but even that is not
unheard of in the CP/M world (did I mention I had an Advantage...)
All the rest of the HW of the Amiga is pretty simple if you ignore the
gee-wiz capabilities. Ok, ok, the floppy controller is funky (but
flexible!!).
(Hmmm, is it "that time of decade" again when a "here's what I
got"
thread appears on the list? It seemed more frequent when I joined the
list for a few months in 97/98... I think it's fun to do - though my
bragging rights have been severely reduced (**)- even though it has a
slight feel of a pissing contest :-)
(*) - Incompatible to the ROTW of course, but it could be initially
created from AmigaOS.
(**) - thus I'd rather brag about what I _used_ to have, and who it went to!
Joe.
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18 Apr
18 Apr
12:15 p.m.
I have a Northstar Horizon with CP/M 2.2 and dual floppies
Imsai with 64k and Shugart 8" DSDD and 5 1/4 drives
CCS system with 64k and 8" floppies
Cromemco Z2 with 5 1/4 drives and cdos/cromix plus
Cromemco 250 that boots Cromix plus but it is under development now. It
may count has it has a CP/M emulator.
Kaypro 10 with a new drive being formatted now which I hope will work
17 Apr
17 Apr
10:25 p.m.
I have a Commodore 128D that has only been run in CP/M 3.0 mode as I don't
have a single piece of Commodore 128 or 64 software.
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11:50 p.m.
Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M
systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
oh my... this will be quite incomplete... (except for CP/M)
for CP/M, an ATR8000 (I used it mainly to interface drives to my Atari,
but it
is a CP/M machine), and I guess you could count the Commodore 128 ?
For non CP/M (but I could probably run emulators on some of them :-) )...
Atari: 400, 800, 800XL, 130XE
Amiga: 1200HD w 68030-50 upgrade and SCSI
Sun: 2/120, 3/80, 386i/150, 386i/250, 486i (not a typo), SS1, SS1+, SS2,
IPX, Clasic, LX,
SS10, SS20, U1, U2, U10, U60, 4/610MP (I'm sure I've missed
something here)
SGI: Indigo R3K, Indigo Elan R4K, Indy R5K, Indigo 2 R4400, Indigo 2
R10K Max Impact,
Octane (R10K)
DEC: Microvax II (in storage at a friend's place), DECstation 5000/240,
Alpha (266mhz
desktop... forget model #), Aspen Alpine 275XS, PDP-11/83, DEC
Professional
350 (I think it is the 350), VAXstation 2000, VAXstation 3100
(2 different size
chassis, different options)
Mac: IIci, IIcx, IIfx, IIx, LC, LC2, LC3, Quadra 605, Quadra 650, Quadra
840AV,
SE/30 (with TwinSpark adapter and 68030-40 cpu card), IIsi,
Performa 630CD,
Powermac 7100, Powermac 7500 (with G3 350 cpu), Powermac 9650
WGS (with
G4 800 cpu), B&W G3 Rev2 (with G4 inside), G4 Gigabit Ethernet
2x500mhz
Other: Altos 886 (w/no OS :-( ), Netwinder, Javastations
PCs: too many to list and not worth listing (generally)
I need to seriously cut back :-)
Things I need:
OS and hd formatter disks for Altos 886
PDP-8 (i, e, and f (with e panel) being the preferred ones)
PDP-11 blinkin' lights edition :-)
DecMate II or III
SBC6120
more space and free power to run it all...
oh... more time too :-(
-- Curt
18 Apr
18 Apr
12:06 a.m.
I won't even try to make a "complete" list - I guess it might impress
by sheer volume, but not many rarities. As for CP/M, no one has
mentioned the Kaypro yet...I've got...hmm...4 or 5 of those (haven't
touched them in a while,) an ATR 8000 (seperate CP/M machine that used
an Atari 8-bit as host,) Commodore 128D that a couple people mentioned
(made dad get one back in the day instead of a PC - good choice!)
Used to have a couple DEC Rainbows - those ran CP/M (or could,) didn't they?
-j
12:16 a.m.
I've got a Kaypro 4 which is CP/M based, IIRC.
I've also got a Televideo TS-802 which is also CP/M based I think.
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12:36 a.m.
This is an interesting survey
Let's see.... for CP/M systems..
Heath/Zenith PC running CP/M86
Altos 586 running MP/M 86
Apple Softcard Z80 Cpm 2.2
Apple ALS CpmCard CPM 3.0
Could do multi-user stuff in support of a small office ( a beauty
college ) back in 1982-3 on the Altos, with one fellow running
Wordstar, someone else doing data entry in DbaseII, and someone else
doing reports from another DBase II user account... amazing how much
work you could get out of 256Kbytes of memory and a 40Mbyte disk and
a bunch of Televideo terminals, with Dbase development being done on
the Apple... ah the good old days !
Mike
On Apr 17, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M
systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
Pulsar Little Big Board - z80 CP/M 2.2
Bondewll 2 - z80 - CP/M 2.2
On the list of non CP/M systems:
3 x Apple II 5.25" disk systems
7 x Apple Mac systems (various)
TRS-80 Model 1, 4, 4P
2 x Disk Smith System 80
1 Exidy Sourcerer
1 Energy Control Rockwell 65F11 (forth) system
1 Homebrew 65F12 system
Amstrad CPC464
TI99/4A - No disk system though :-(
Bucketloads of HP & TI Calculators
No DEC Equipment - So can't help there (But I do have a SBC6120
PDP8 emulator.)
Doug
1:18 a.m.
At 11:57 AM +1000 4/18/07, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
IMSAI-8080
Kaypro 2
I think I've still got a couple other systems such as a little big board.
Commodore 128
I've booted CP/M-86 on a Pentium, and still have the HD somewhere.
Don't expect any CP/M help from me though, that's not my area of
expertise. I *might* be able to boot CP/M on one of my systems, but
am not sure I remember how. :^)
No DEC Equipment - So can't help there (But I do
have a SBC6120 PDP8
emulator.)
I think everyone around here probably has a fairly good idea as to
how much DEC equipment I have, now double that and you might be
closer to the truth. :^) What little time I have any more for
Classic Computer related things typically deal with VMS, PDP-10's, or
PDP-11's.
I've also got got a good selection of Commodore and Apple systems.
Where my collection has grown the most over the past few years has
been Sun hardware. For a while it seemed like every time I turned
around I was replacing my Solaris system with better hardware.
Zane
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4:01 a.m.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey --------
What I have at the moment.....
Xerox 820 II in original boxes. (My third computer but not the original one)
Paradise lunchbox
DEC Rainbow (my second computer but not the original one)
Intel IPDS
Intel development system 800 wi 8080 Multibus 1 CPU
Kaypro II, 4 & 10
Osbourne (powered this up on CPM just the other day)
Bondwell Lugable (unfortunately need the boot disk for this)
IMS 4 slot S100
Tandy TRS Model II
A 4 user MPM machine I can't remember
Mindset
And I am sure there are more.....
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4:11 a.m.
Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M
systems.
My CP/M systems are the following:
Intel Series II <-- boots the CP/M diskettes right out of the box from
Digital Research
Intel iPDS
I have implemented CP/M Plus on both systems as well.
Dave Mabry
4:14 a.m.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
[snip]
No DEC Equipment - So can't help there (But I do
have a SBC6120 PDP8
emulator.)
That's real hardware, not an emulator.
I have:
Kaypro II
Osborne Executive (CRT circuitry is dead)
P112
IMSAI 8080
I have a few Morrow MD3s, a Morrow S100 chassis, an XOR, a Xerox 802 (or
whatever it's called), assorted loose S100 backplanes, assorted S100
cards. These will be put on vintagecomputermarketplace and/or Ebay when I
get the time.
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8:57 a.m.
On 4/18/07, David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu> wrote:
I have... an XOR
That's one of the CP/M systems I have, along with a Kaypro 2, a
Commodore 128 (for which I do have CP/M but haven't done much with).
I think I can also count my TRS-80 Model III, but I'm much more likely
to run NEWDOS or something similar than CP/M on it.
The XOR is my only 8" drive CP/M system; it's also my only S-100
system. I couldn't afford that stuff when it was newer, so I never
developed a deep understanding or great fondness for it. I was
thoroughly immersed in Commodores back in that era.
The last time I ran a CP/M program as a productive exercise (as
opposed to hardware debugging and checkout) wasn't even under CP/M, it
was under MS-DOS with a CP/M emulator, over 15 years ago. I even
replaced my 8088 with an NEC V20 chip to run CP/M programs faster. It
was all so I could play Scott Adams adventures on my PeeCee Clone,
long before ScottFree and other more modern Adventure International
game engines.
I don't have anything against CP/M; I just couldn't afford the
platform when it was the big thing, and all the free computers I had
access to were Commodores, Apples, or TRS-80s.
-ethan
8:04 a.m.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey
Way too many to list (or even remember), but you can see a relatively
up to date list (and photos etc) at:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
Dave
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7:43 a.m.
Dave Dunfield wrote:
Damn, I was hoping to have the only Epson PX-8; as far as I know the only
CP/M system to do (micro)cassette tapes.
I also have an Osborne-1, and a C128 (which I think I have CP/M disks for);
and IIRC used to have a set of CP/M disks for an Acorn Master - or was that
GEM, can't remember now.
Oh, and I've got a Sharp MZ-80B which I believe will run CP/M.
Shame I've not the foggiest how to use it. I can get Wordstar running on one
of the PX-8s, but only because it's in ROM. I can do DIR and run a program -
does it do anything else?
Cheers,
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17:20
Some have
questioned the number of people on the list who
have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey
Way too many to list (or even remember), but you can see a
relatively up to date list (and photos etc) at:
12:08 p.m.
At 12:43 PM +0100 4/18/07, Ade Vickers wrote:
Damn, I was hoping to have the only Epson PX-8; as far
as I know the only
CP/M system to do (micro)cassette tapes.
I'm afraid not, that's one of (at least) two systems that I forgot I
have, the other is the DEC Rainbow.
Shame I've not the foggiest how to use it. I can
get Wordstar running on one
of the PX-8s, but only because it's in ROM. I can do DIR and run a program -
does it do anything else?
No clue, I don't think I even tried to power it on.
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6:11 p.m.
Damn, I was hoping to have the only Epson PX-8; as far
as I know the only
CP/M system to do (micro)cassette tapes.
No I have one too.
The Epson PX4 was also a CP/M machine that used microcassette tapes, but
the tape drive was an option module (fitted in the area to the right of
the display) and I don't have it in mine
I do have the 5.25" disk drive unit for these machines -- the TF20. It's
darn complex inside -- a Z80, 64K RAM, a boot ROM that's switched out
after intitialisation, a disk controller and a serial port. Oh and a pair
of those Epson 1/3 height voice-coil floppy drives.
I was once told that the TF20 boots a modified CP/M/fileserver program
from the system disk. Does anyone know if that's
true?
Oh, and I've got a Sharp MZ-80B which I believe
will run CP/M.
That's another machine I have and which I missed off the earlier list...
Along with the Apple ][ + Softcard.
Shame I've not the foggiest how to use it. I can get Wordstar running on one
of the PX-8s, but only because it's in ROM. I can do DIR and run a program -
does it do anything else?
CP/M has very few built-in commands, most of the stuff you'd expect to be
built in -- like copying a file -- is done by separate programs loaded
from disk (to copy a file you use PIP, for example).
On the PX8, there was a standard utilities ROM that contained PIP. STAT,
and the other common CP/M programs. If you don't have that in your
machine, get tie image of the web and burn it to EPROM. You need it.
What more do you expect it to do (other than run programs)? CP/M is a
very simple OS, it doesn't do much more than that :-)
-tony
8:20 p.m.
Since we seem to be heading to the more obscure CP/M systems:
I have a monolithic systems Z80 multibus I system running cpm 2.2
There can't be many of them out there. ;-)
joe lang
9:13 a.m.
--- Doug Jackson <doug at stillhq.com> wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the
list who have CP/M systems.
Primary CP/M systems:
Kaypro 2, 2X, 4/84, 4 Plus 88, 10
Osborne 1, 1a, Executive
Systems capable of running CP/M:
TRS-80 Model II, 4, 4P
Apple IIe with ALS Z-Engine or Microsoft Softcard Z80A
Commodore 128
Back in the day, I ran Montezuma Micro CP/M almost exclusively on my
TRS-80 Model 4.
Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us
Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/
19 Apr
19 Apr
4:20 p.m.
Doug Jackson <doug at stillhq.com> wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the
list who have CP/M systems.
Well, limiting it to CP/M machines makes the task a bit simpler. I
have:
1. IMSAI 8080 - fully functional
2. KayPro 10 - fully functional, and being used to develop software
3. KayPro 2 - fully functional
4. KayPro II - fully functional
5. Osborne 1 - fully functional
6. Osborne 1a - fully functional
7. Osborne Executive - Appears okay, no system disk
8. Cromemco Z2 - Appears good, have collected approp. cards, need to
make cables
9. (2) Monroe OC-8820 machines, ALL s/w, probably one good set of h/w
between them.
10. (2) Commodore 128 machines, 1 fully functional, 1 not-yet-explored
Ack. I need a garage sale.
Peace,
Warren E. Wolfe
wizard at voyager.net
8:46 a.m.
My non-CP/M equipment is primarily workstations. I'm not into big iron or
DEC's. The largest system I own is a single rack O200 consisting of two
dual R10K Origin 200's, a X-Box expansion chassis and four Andataco RAID
chassis.
A link to a fairly current collection listing is:
http://www.blackcube.org/collectionlisting.html
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10:29 a.m.
Hi
I have a couple Kaypro's and IMSAI running regular CP/M.
I have a Olivetti M20 running CP/M-8000 with a Z8001 processor.
I have a Nicolet 1080 running Demon-IIf ( 8 inch single sided )
I have H89 and H8 running Heathkit HDOS ( don't have the CPM card for H8 )
I have a SYM1 board with a second source disk interface that I've not tried
yet.
I have a NC4000 with a simple disk system I wrote myself for floppy and hard
drive.
I have a Poly 8813 running System88
and...........
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11:23 a.m.
On 4/17/07, Doug Jackson <doug at stillhq.com> wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
Hmm, sadly all I've got left in the CP/M arena are a pair of Epson
PX-8s (both ROM revisions)... I wish I'd still had my Kaypro, C128,
or other CP/M system. It's an OS I can really get into for some
reason. ;-)
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11:31 a.m.
On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Josef Chessor wrote:
Hmm, sadly all I've got left in the CP/M arena are
a pair of Epson
PX-8s (both ROM revisions)...
I have two as well. What are the different ROM revisions? How can I
tell which revision I have in each of my machines?
Thanks,
David
1:36 p.m.
As far as straight CP/M gear, I've got a Kaypro II missing a power supply,
and a C128. I may have a Rainbow sitting around, I don't remember.
As far as other gear:
Apple II+, IIgs, IIc, IIc+, Bell & Howell II, Laser 128, Mac 128, Mac 512,
Mac Plus, Mac SE, Mac SE/30, Mac II, Mac IIx, Mac IIfx, Quadra 700, Apple
Workgroup Server 95, Mac Portable, Atari 800, Atari 800xe, Atari ST 1040,
Amiga 500, Amiga 2000, C64, C128, VIC20, MicroVAX II, MicroVAX 3100,
DECTalker, DECStation 3100, DECStation 5000, VAXStation 4000, A few early
POWERStations, A few old Sparc 4's, IBM PC, IBM XT, IBM PCjr, PS/2 Model 55,
PS/2 Model 40, EDUSystem, PC-RT, Mattel Aquarius, Coleco Adam, SGI IRIS, SGI
Indy, Compaq Portable, Compaq Portable II,
Quadex Q500 typesetting mini, TI SilentWriter, TI 99/4, TI 99/4A, Tandy
CoCo 3, Tandy 100, Data General Nova 3, a few oddball terminals, a handful
of old HP and Sinclair calculators, and some other machines I can't remember
at the moment.
10:14 p.m.
David,
On 4/18/07, David Betz <dbetz at xlisper.com> wrote:
On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Josef Chessor wrote:
I have two as well. What are the different ROM revisions? How can I
tell which revision I have in each of my machines?
I don't think they're actually quantified anywhere as being different, but:
One of my PX-8s "supports Y2K" (It allows 2007 entered as the year on
initialization), the other does not.
One (the one that supports Y2K) doesn't work with the multiwedge
(64k/modem/ROM capsules), the "newer one" does. Both work with the
120k RAM wedge.
The "look and feel" of the initialization routines between the two
differ greatly. The "newer one" feels more polished, and has better
bounds checking and editing with a slightly more descriptive
interface. The older one is very bare, but functional.
Other than that, the units are nearly identical on the inside, and
both run the same software, either in capsule or downloaded form.
Externally, the older unit says "Epson PX-8" on the LCD bezel. The
newer one says "Epson Geneva".
The older one was a gift from a dear friend, many years ago. The
newer one was a trade between a local individual and myself, and had
the DAK utilities ROM along with a lot more. (My older one only had
WordStar and the first Utility ROM)..
I can dig out my Genevas and post their initialization screens, if you like.
Josef
PS: Does anyone know where I can get those lovely little ROM carriers
used as the ROM capsule carriers in the Geneva (and probably the
TRS-80 Model 100?) I still have the software to make Geneva ROM
images, and a ROM burner, but without a carrier, it's slightly
pointless.
2:19 p.m.
On Apr 17, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M
systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
My CP/M (and CP/M-capable) stuff, hopefully I won't leave anything
out:
Imsai 8080 w/CCS Z80 CPU
TRS-80 model 2 (not yet functional)
TRS-80 model 4
Sage II (currently runs P-System, I lack CP/M-68K boot disks)
Kaypro II
Kaypro 10
Osborne 1
HP-87XM with CP/M module (not yet booted, I lack floppy drives)
Homebrew Z80 SBC
I ran CP/M every day for a long time, on the Imsai system at the
top of my list, until I mostly "converted" to about 50% PDP-11 and
50% MS-DOS in the mid-80s. I still adore CP/M and run it periodically.
-Dave
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3:47 p.m.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M systems.
Lets do a quick survey - I'll start first!
- Epson PX-8, but it needs new batteries.
- P112, but I haven't gotten around to finishing it.
- ML644, 8" SSSD designed by Utah State University. Mine's a commercially
licensed clone produced by a company called MicroOmega.
- Osborne 1, state unknown. I picked it up at a surplus sale a few
years ago, but have never powered it on.
I think that's it at the moment, unless you'll let me count my
MicroVAX 2000 based upon my incomplete port of CP/M-68K (got distracted
by World of Warcraft, which is also why I never finished building
my P112).
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9:45 p.m.
On Apr 18, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Roger Ivie wrote:
I think that's it at the moment, unless you'll
let me count my
MicroVAX 2000 based upon my incomplete port of CP/M-68K
I read about that awhile back. I think it is a wonderful (if
somewhat twisted) idea. I would love to run it if you finish the port.
(got distracted
by World of Warcraft, which is also why I never finished building
my P112).
They have pills for that now, you know. ;)
-Dave
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Port Charlotte, FL
5:13 p.m.
On 18/04/2007 02:57, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list
who have CP/M
systems.
Lets do a quick survey
This prompted me to update my list of "stuff".
Systems that run CP/M include a BBC Microcomputer with an Acorn Z80
"second processor", a Cromemco System Three (with any of an assortment
of S100 cards), and an Amstrad PCW 8512.
Systems that could run CP/M if I made enough effort, or run CP/M-68K
include an Exidy Sorcerer (with two humungous 5.25" floppies), a Nascom,
a Sage II, and a Commodore 128.
I also have a BBC Micro with a Torch Z80A "second processor" (I have two
of these), which runs "CPN", similar to CP/M-in-a-ROM, but some real
CP/M software doesn't run because of the memory map.
I have quite a lot of Acorn equipment:
Acorn Atom
Acorn Electron
BBC Microcomputer Model B
BBC Microcomputer Model B
BBC Microcomputer Model B Plus 128K
Torch Z80 Card (Z80A Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Torch Z80 Card (Z80A Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Acorn 65C02, cased (3MHz Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Acorn 65C02, uncased (3MHz Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Acorn Z80A (4MHz Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Acorn ARM Evaluation System (ARM Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
Acorn Cambridge Coprocessor (32016 Coprocessor for BBC Micro)
BBC Master 128 with Master Turbo Coprocessor (4MHz 65C102)
Archimedes 310
Archimedes 440
Acorn A3020
Acorn R260 with non-Acorn SCSI
Acorn R260
I also have a couple of Teletext adapters for BBC micros, but alas no
Prestel Adapter (anyone got one? I'd love to have one again, as I
helped debug the software for it)
Quite a bit of DEC stuff:
Vax 3100
?VAX-II with RD54, TK50 (BA23)
?PDP-11/83 2 x RD54, RX50 (BA23)
PDP-11/73S with Fujitsu SMD (BA11S)
PDP 11/23 with RL02s (BA11N)
PDP-11/40 with RX02s, RL11 interface, and VT11/VR14
PDP-11/03 (card cage and H786 PSU)
PDP-8/E with RX02 and TD8E (but sadly no TU56 yet)
spare 11/03, 11/23, and 11/73 processors and many other QBus cards
Sun and SGI etc:
Sparcstation 1+
Sparc Classic
Sun Sparcserver 5
SGI Indigo R4000
SGI Indigo R3000 XZ
SGI Indigo R3000 Elan
Silicon Graphics Indy R5000SC 150MHz 256MB 24-bit
Silicon Graphics Indy R4400SC 150MHz 192MB 24-bit
Silicon Graphics Indy R4600SC 133MHz 64MB 8-bit
Silicon Graphics O2 R5K 180MHz
Silicon Graphics O2 R10K 180MHz
Silicon Graphics Origin2000 16 x R10K 180MHz
NeXTstation (slab) with monochrome display
Apple, Commodore, Sinclair:
Apple ][+ with 2 x Disk ][
Apple //e with 2 x Disk ][
Apple Mac Plus with hard drive
Apple Mac IIvx
(and a much newer Mac at work whose model number I can't recall)
KIM-1
Commodore PET 2001-8K
Commodore 8050 dual drive floppy disk
Commodore VIC-20
Commodore 128 (US version)
Amiga 500
Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX80 (with extra RAM)
Sinclair ZX81
Sinclair Spectrum
Sinclair Spectrum +
Sinclair QL
Other micros, handhelds, etc:
Cromemco System Three (with lots of extra S100 cards)
Cromemco Single Card Computer (S100)
Nascom
Sharp MZ80K
Exidy Sorcerer with dual floppies
Dragon 32
Atari MegaST
Amstrad PCW 8512
Sage II
Toshiba HX-10
NEC PC8300 portable
homebrew Zilog Z8 SBC
KIM-1
Motorola MK6800D2
2901 Bit-Slice Tutor
parts of a Zilog Z80 system
HP iPAQ 2200
Sharp Zaurus SL5600
Microwriter AgendA
Psion Organiser II
Cambridge Z88
Softy 3 programmer
several Cybikos
network devices:
minihub
Superstack PS 40 II hub
GatorBox CS (Localtalk/Ethernet bridge)
3Com ISDN LANmodem
JetDirect printer server
Telebit Netblazer, 2-port
Xylogics Annex 2000 16-port terminal/modem/console server
Racal Interlan 8-port terminal server
Newbridge VIVID Orange Ridge ATM/Ethernet 12-port switch
Newbridge VIVID CS1000 12-port ATM switch
Newbridge VIVID Red Ridge ATM/FDDI bridge
Newbridge VIVID ATM Route Server
HP Procurve 2524 switch
Cisco 7507 switch
Cisco wireless AP
Linksys wireless AP
Linksys wireless AP/router
Draytek Vigor 2600 broadband router
and a few printers, a Teletype 33ASR, a few terminals, etc etc.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
7:26 p.m.
Pete Turnbull wrote:
Systems that could run CP/M if I made enough effort,
or run CP/M-68K
include an Exidy Sorcerer (with two humungous 5.25" floppies), a Nascom,
a Sage II, and a Commodore 128.
Hmmm, I forgot about my Nascom. Although it's a fair way off being in any fit
state to run anything - I do an hour or so here and there on it...
I also have a BBC Micro with a Torch Z80A "second
processor" (I have two
of these), which runs "CPN", similar to CP/M-in-a-ROM, but some real
CP/M software doesn't run because of the memory map.
I think you could boot CP/N on the Torch 68000 cards (Neptune and Atlas) too -
they have a Z80 on board as well as the m68k chip.
I also have a couple of Teletext adapters for BBC
micros, but alas no
Prestel Adapter (anyone got one? I'd love to have one again, as I
helped debug the software for it)
Noted. I've got one but it's right at the back of everything with around 50
other Acorn machines in front of it (I kid you not) - at some point I'll
unearth it, and I don't see any particular reason to keep it.
Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX80 (with extra RAM)
*two* of them? Make sure they don't breed :-)
cheers
Jules
19 Apr
19 Apr
3:36 a.m.
On 19/04/2007 00:26, Jules Richardson wrote:
I'll probably never use it, but it might be nice to have.
Ah, that's a typo. I have two ZX81s (one with extra RAM), and one ZX80.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Pete Turnbull wrote:
I also have a
couple of Teletext adapters for BBC micros, but alas no
Prestel Adapter
Noted. I've got one but it's right at the back of everything with around
50 other Acorn machines in front of it (I kid you not) - at some point
I'll unearth it, and I don't see any particular reason to keep it. Sinclair ZX80
Sinclair ZX80 (with extra RAM)
*two* of them? Make sure they don't breed :-)
18 Apr
18 Apr
5:59 p.m.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list who have CP/M systems.
For a non-CP/M lover, I actually have a fair number (I am only
consdering CP/M-80).
TRS-80 Model 4 (although I rarely run CP/M on it)
Commodore 128
DEC Rainbow
Epson QX10
Epson PX4
Epson PX8
CASU SUper C (This is a UK S100 box with a Persci 8" drive)
Intel MDS800 (does that count?)
BBC Model B qith a Z80 second processor
Bitto with a Torch Z80 board (this actually runs something called CP/N
which is darn similar)
Tatung Einstein (again, I only have Xtaldos for it, but I think it can
run true CP.M too)
RML 380Z
And probably a couple more that I've forgotten about
-tony
8:51 p.m.
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Heisenberg may have slept here.
Some have questioned the number of people on the list who have CP/M systems.
For a non-CP/M lover, I actually have a fair number (I am only
consdering CP/M-80).
TRS-80 Model 4 (although I rarely run CP/M on it)
Commodore 128
DEC Rainbow
Epson QX10
Epson PX4
Epson PX8
CASU SUper C (This is a UK S100 box with a Persci 8" drive)
Intel MDS800 (does that count?)
BBC Model B qith a Z80 second processor
Bitto with a Torch Z80 board (this actually runs something called CP/N
which is darn similar)
Tatung Einstein (again, I only have Xtaldos for it, but I think it can
run true CP.M too)
RML 380Z
And probably a couple more that I've forgotten about
-tony
19 Apr
19 Apr
6:53 a.m.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 11:57:43AM +1000, Doug Jackson wrote:
Some have questioned the number of people on the list who have CP/M systems.
Hmm, afraid all I've got at the moment is a Commodore 64 with the CP/M
cartridge.. would barely count even if it was still functional (which it
wasn't last time I checked).
21 Apr
21 Apr
12:38 a.m.
I'm not even going to attempt to list my collection, I've got so much stuff
piled up that I can't remember half of what's there.
However, the more UNUSUAL machines I have are a CBM "P-500", a CBM
"8296Dg"
(or some similar name - I can't get at it right now - an 8296 with internal
disc drives and some sort of hi-res graphics) and an "Interak 1".
The Interak is interesting since it was a kit built, Z-80 based system
produced by a small electronics firm here in the UK. It consisted of a
simple backplane and various CPU, RAM, I/O cards....and can run CP/M! :-)
Talking of CP/M, I used to have the following systems which ran it:
Visual 1050
BBC Micro + Torch Z80 disc pack + CP/N co-pro (swapped it for the Interak!)
DEC Rainbow
PDP-11/23 + Z80-CP/M co-processor card
DECMate III + Z80 co-processor (in fact I probably still have a couple)
DECMate II + Z80....
Transam Tuscan
CBM 128D
Amstrad CPC-6128(?)
Sharp MZ-80B
ICL "????" - Big orange, custom made, ICL "luggable" CP/M box. Not
entirely
unlike an "Osborne 1".
And probably many more.... ;-)
BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run CP/M (I had an "SDX" disc
pack
for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M; rather it had a basic
"disc filing system" in ROM)?
TTFN - Pete.
6:50 a.m.
On 21/04/2007 05:38, Ensor wrote:
Talking of CP/M, I used to have the following systems
which ran it:
BBC Micro + Torch Z80 disc pack + CP/N co-pro
Although CPN isn't real CP/M, its an almost-compatible look-alike. A
Torch Z80 won't run real CP/M, though it will run a modest subset of
CP/M applications.
PDP-11/23 + Z80-CP/M co-processor card
That's unusual too. Who made the Z80 card?
Transam Tuscan
Another unusual one. Does it work? I know a couple of people who
started to build a Tuscan, but they never got one to work properly.
Those machines looked very attractive but had a bad reputation for
reliability and poor board design.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
3:29 p.m.
Pete Turnbull wrote:
Someone (who may well be on this list) pointed me at a Tuscan Yahoo group the
other day. It seems to be one of those "only join by invitation" groups, but
if there are any Tuscan owners on here who are interested then shout - I can
put you in touch with the person who contacted me (assuming they aren't on
here and don't speak up directly :)
cheers
Jules
Transam Tuscan
Another unusual one. Does it work? I know a couple of people who
started to build a Tuscan, but they never got one to work properly.
Those machines looked very attractive but had a bad reputation for
reliability and poor board design.
22 Apr
22 Apr
10:01 p.m.
Hi,
Again, I got rid of that particular machine quite a few years ago, I don't
recall the manufacturer of the card.
It was a standard dual-width Q-Bus card, containing the Z80, 64K DRAM and
various support chips. Communications with the board was done via a serial
port located near the module's handle, with a pinout compatible with the
ports on a DLV-11J.
That's about all I remember about it, I only ever firec up CP/M on it
once....I was more interested in the DEC side of the system. ;-)
Perhaps I should've kept the card when I got rid of the machine, but then
hindsight is a wonderful thing....
You would have to ask about the machines I've parted with.... :-)
It was in working order when I got rid of it, but that was a few years ago
and I'm no-longer in contact with the chap who had it from me.
I hadn't realised how rare these machines are, otherwise I might've kept
hold of it. But it's the usual story of too many machines and not enough
space/time.
TTFN - Pete.
Although CPN isn't real CP/M, its an
almost-compatible look-alike. A
Torch Z80 won't run real CP/M, though it will run a modest subset of
CP/M applications.
Agreed, this was the main reason I got rid of the system all those years
ago....I'd already got several Beebs at that point (and had just picked up
the "Visual 1050").
PDP-11/23 +
Z80-CP/M co-processor card
That's unusual too. Who made the Z80 card? Transam Tuscan
Another unusual one. Does it work?
21 Apr
21 Apr
noon
On Apr 21, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Ensor wrote:
BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run
CP/M (I had an "SDX"
disc pack for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M;
rather it had a basic "disc filing system" in ROM)?
I'm pretty sure the TRS-80 Model I is incapable of running
unmodified CP/M because it has ROM in low memory that cannot be
remapped...is this correct?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
22 Apr
22 Apr
11:52 a.m.
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
On Apr 21, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Ensor wrote:
Hi Dave
Most any machine can be setup to shadow the ROM. On a different machine,
I wrote a few lines of code that would simply read and then write
ROM data. I set it up so that writes would go to RAM that on boot were
shadowed behind the ROM.
After the ROM had been copied, the code was still running from ROM.
I had a 7474 that would switch the enables on the ROM and RAM
when it saw the first I/O operation.
In your case, you'll either need to write separate I/O code for CP/M
or rige some way such that on each I/O action of the CP/M, you
switched the ROM back into memory. This should work so long as you don't
expect to buffer the I/O data where to ROM was. Both are relatively
simple to do.
Dwight
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BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run
CP/M (I had an "SDX" disc pack
for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M; rather it had a
basic "disc filing system" in ROM)?
I'm pretty sure the TRS-80 Model I is incapable of running unmodified
CP/M because it has ROM in low memory that cannot be remapped...is this
correct?
-Dave
7:11 p.m.
On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:52 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
Most any machine can be setup to shadow the ROM. On a different
machine,
I wrote a few lines of code that would simply read and then write
ROM data. I set it up so that writes would go to RAM that on boot were
shadowed behind the ROM.
After the ROM had been copied, the code was still running from ROM.
I had a 7474 that would switch the enables on the ROM and RAM
when it saw the first I/O operation.
In your case, you'll either need to write separate I/O code for CP/M
or rige some way such that on each I/O action of the CP/M, you
switched the ROM back into memory. This should work so long as you
don't
expect to buffer the I/O data where to ROM was. Both are relatively
simple to do.
Uhhh...but what if the address lines aren't handled such that the
lower address space isn't remappable? It's my impression that this
sort of scheme isn't really all that common. I mean, sure it's easy
to do (I did it on one of my SBCs) but I don't think many
commercially-produced machines were done that way.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run
CP/M (I had an "SDX"
disc pack for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M;
rather it had a basic "disc filing system" in ROM)?
I'm pretty sure the TRS-80 Model I is incapable of running
unmodified CP/M because it has ROM in low memory that cannot be
remapped...is this correct?
23 Apr
23 Apr
11:15 a.m.
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
On Apr 22, 2007, at 11:52 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
Most any machine can be setup to shadow the ROM. On a different machine,
I wrote a few lines of code that would simply read and then write
ROM data. I set it up so that writes would go to RAM that on boot were
shadowed behind the ROM.
After the ROM had been copied, the code was still running from ROM.
I had a 7474 that would switch the enables on the ROM and RAM
when it saw the first I/O operation.
In your case, you'll either need to write separate I/O code for CP/M
or rige some way such that on each I/O action of the CP/M, you
switched the ROM back into memory. This should work so long as you don't
expect to buffer the I/O data where to ROM was. Both are relatively
simple to do.
Uhhh...but what if the address lines aren't handled such that the lower
address space isn't remappable? It's my impression that this sort of
scheme isn't really all that common. I mean, sure it's easy to do (I did
it on one of my SBCs) but I don't think many commercially-produced
machines were done that way.
-Dave
Hi
If you mean that the machine wasn't designed that way and it can't
be done without modifications, then you may be right. If you are willing to
make
a few cuts and jumpers, then most any machine that I've ever seen can be
reconfigured.
The modifiaction that I described required a few cuts, jumper and
a daughter board.
Even without this, most CPU's are socketed. It is not that hard to trap
out specific addresses and change what is sent to the bus. This can be
doen with no modifications to the system. You seem to be lacking imagination
on what can and can't be done.
I think you need to give the problem a little more thought.
Dwight
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BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run CP/M
(I had an "SDX" disc
pack for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M; rather it
had a basic "disc filing system" in ROM)?
I'm pretty sure the TRS-80 Model I is incapable of running
unmodified CP/M because it has ROM in low memory that cannot be
remapped...is this correct?
6:11 p.m.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:15 AM, dwight elvey wrote:
Uhhh...but what if the address lines aren't handled such that
the lower address space isn't remappable? It's my impression
that this sort of scheme isn't really all that common. I mean,
sure it's easy to do (I did it on one of my SBCs) but I don't
think many commercially-produced machines were done that way.
If you mean that the machine wasn't designed that way and it can't
be done without modifications, then you may be right. If you are
willing to make
a few cuts and jumpers, then most any machine that I've ever seen
can be
reconfigured.
The modifiaction that I described required a few cuts, jumper and
a daughter board.
Even without this, most CPU's are socketed. It is not that hard to
trap
out specific addresses and change what is sent to the bus. This can be
doen with no modifications to the system. You seem to be lacking
imagination
on what can and can't be done.
I think you need to give the problem a little more thought.
Nono, I agree with you, it's quite simple...I know how it's done;
I've designed four Z80 systems, three with remappable lower address
spaces and one without. I'm talking about running CP/M on an un-
hacked machine...as in, walking up to a bog-standard TRS-80 Model I
and booting CP/M.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
I'm
pretty sure the TRS-80 Model I is incapable of running
unmodified CP/M because it has ROM in low memory that cannot
be remapped...is this correct?
Most any machine can be setup to shadow the ROM. On a different
machine,
I wrote a few lines of code that would simply read and then write
ROM data. I set it up so that writes would go to RAM that on boot
were
shadowed behind the ROM.
After the ROM had been copied, the code was still running from ROM.
I had a 7474 that would switch the enables on the ROM and RAM
when it saw the first I/O operation.
In your case, you'll either need to write separate I/O code for CP/M
or rige some way such that on each I/O action of the CP/M, you
switched the ROM back into memory. This should work so long as
you don't
expect to buffer the I/O data where to ROM was. Both are relatively
simple to do. 
21 Apr
21 Apr
4:42 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007, Ensor wrote:
BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run
CP/M (I had an "SDX" disc pack
for my Memotech at one time, but that didn't run CP/M; rather it had a basic
"disc filing system" in ROM)?
TRS-80 Model 1 can run a "relocated" CP/M (from FMG?).
OR, minor circuitry (from Parasitic Engineering, Omicron, etc.) can
convert it to a "real" CP/M machine.
And, HUH made an S100 adapter for it, to be able to use other interesting
boards.
22 Apr
22 Apr
10:06 p.m.
Hi,
TRS-80 Model 1 can run a "relocated" CP/M
(from FMG?).
OR, minor circuitry (from Parasitic Engineering, Omicron, etc.)
can convert it to a "real" CP/M machine.
Thanks for that.
The reason I ask is that I have one here which I'm trying to decide whether
or not to keep (machines without some form of disc storage/OS are pretty low
on my list of things to keep right now).
And, HUH made an S100 adapter for it, to be able to
use other
interesting boards.
I don't even have an "Interface 1".... :-(
TTFN - Pete.
21 Apr
21 Apr
5:32 p.m.
BTW Can TRS-80 Model 1's or Memotech's run
CP/M (I had an "SDX" disc pack
No idea on the MEmotech (I don';t have one yet), but for the TRS-80 M1
there were basically 2 solutions.
The problem was that CP/M needs RAM starting at location 0, the TRS-80
has the BASIC ROMs there and starts RAM at, IIRC, 0x4000.
The first solution was a modifed CP/M _and modified application programs_
relocated to run in RAM starting at 0x4000. Needless to say this rather
limited the programs you could run.
The second solution was an add-on circuit board (I think it fitted under
the Z80 chip, and probably had flying lead connections as well) that
re-mapped the memory to stick the ROMs out of the way and put the RAM at
location 0. This could then run normal CP/M programs, of course. No, I
don't have this board...
-tony
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