On 2014-11-29 00:15, Sean Caron wrote:
Not disputing seeing the evidence of a 36-bit machine
behind the curtain in
the XKL Darkstar firmware updates but I wasn't clear on whether or not the
TOAD-2 board just had some PDP-10 provenance in it, or whether or not it
was a full-on clone that could run the historic operating systems.
Ah. Well, I've heard claims going both ways. But it apparently atleast
runs parts of TOPS-20. If runs the full monty, or just an XKL stripped
version I don't know.
I don't see the TOAD-2 listed a a product on
XKL's site anywhere, though.
As far as I can tell there's no Darkstar product listed on their site with
exactly the same port punch-outs as the TOAD-2. Maybe it's a special order
item? Unfortunately it's not in my price range any way you cut it ;)
I wonder if that specific model shown at LCM is obsolete?
I tried finding any good information on XKLs website, but mostly failed.
Looking at their technical specifications, it only says:
Integrated Systems Architecture"
Reading the "DarkStar User Guide" don't help much either. Best hint in
on page 60, where you see:
Boot> boot file /dxmos/dxmos.exe /recovery
[File entry-vector is at 7700,,1000, length is 4]
[PDVA at 7706,,0]
[Free pages from 32170 through 1777777]
[Disabling the watchdog timer for this program.]
[Setting "Recovery" flag.]
[Clearing flags and context]
[Starting at 7700,,1000]
Starting DXM Operating System (DXMOS), XKL LLC
V3.0.0 Mar 6 2013 14:08:57
Copyright (c) 2004-2013 XKL LLC
All Rights Reserved
This product is protected by copyright and distributed under
licenses restricting copying, distribution and decompilation.
Detecting hardware with Switch board 00085-01
Initializing DarkStar DSM10-5R...
Initializing environmental loader:
File paths looks very unix:y, but the address specifications are so much
PDP-10 that I can't help but wonder... (And they taste *so* octal...)
Been reading through the Command Reference manual as well, and it
definitely smells a lot like EXEC, but once more, file paths looks very
Anyway, yes, I doubt I would buy one either. I don't have a need, and
I'm sure they are not free...
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote:
> On 2014-11-28 23:49, Sean Caron wrote:
>> Sorry, I was just alluding to the "board" inside the ~1U device labeled
>> "XKL TOAD-2" in the video at around 0:30 in.
>> Watching it a second time through, however, it appears that the TOAD-2 box
>> shown in the video actually contains two discrete boards!
>> I don't think that's an off-the-shelf product, LOL. I assume the board
>> common system controller used in their network equipment product line and
>> the TOAD-2 is a one-off; a few system controllers from stock, a chassis
>> with plexiglas lid swapped in and a few extra holes drilled... produced
>> request of a good customer ;)
>> I'm wondering now, do you think the TOAD-2 actually does anything? Or is
>> just a static display to demonstrate minimization of the PDP-10 over time?
>> Can it run TOPS? Or is it just a router lacking any network interfaces?
> It runs TOPS-20. I've seen and played at the EXEC prompt of the TOAD-2.
> And XKL are not making these as one-offs.
> Yes, the one at LCM has been modified for display purposes, with such as
> the plexiglass top.
> But if you read the thread, someone actually went to XKL and fetched the
> firmware upgrade image they provide, and it's clearly for a 36-bit machine.
> This is the firmware they provide as a general download to customers.
> This would not make sense if it were, as you suggest, a one-off product.
>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se>
>> On 2014-11-28 23:19, David Griffith wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>> On 2014-11-28 17:13, Sean Caron wrote:
>>>>> Whaaa? That's actually something a little bit different; I
>>>>>> even know
>>>>>> there was such a thing as a TOAD-2.
>>>>>> Does anyone here know how many units of the TOAD-2 were ever
>>>>>> bought them?
>>>>>> That board looks so close to mini-ITX form factor... they should
>>>>>> selling them bare... it would look great next to my Atom boxes!!
>>>>> As far as I understood it, they are still selling them.
>>>> How does one obtain one of these boards?
>>> Boards? It's a group of products for networks...
>>> If you deduct the name of the product from the name of the firmware
>>> (Darkstar), you can see a whole bunch of products at www.xkl.com
>>> "Darkstar". I don't know if all of them use the TOAD-2, but it
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