12 Jul
2012
12 Jul
'12
3 p.m.
Anyone got one? I'm curious to look at it.
According to
<http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/internals_3.html>, it
was a merger of TECMACS and TMACS.
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16 Jul
16 Jul
5:19 p.m.
From: Richard
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:01 PM
Anyone got one? I'm curious to look at it.
According to
<http://www.xemacs.org/Documentation/21.5/html/internals_3.html>, it
was a merger of TECMACS and TMACS.
How about http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ ? I gave Tim a copy of the
sources a very very long time ago, and they're still there. Scroll down.
In case you wonder why I say "I gave...", I'll quote an ancient .sig
I used to use:
Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991
Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170)
last name @ XKL dot COM Customer Interface, XKL LLC
I became the de facto maintainer the year I posted a Y2K fix to the TIME
library to comp.emacs, gnu.emacs.bug, and gnu.emacs.<I forget which>, with
incredulous but supportive responses from RMS and Kent Pitman (author of
the library in question).
The early history of EMACS is a little more complex that what you paraphrase
from the XEmacs docs. According to folks at the AI Lab
at the time, RMS
went around to every single user of ^R mode in TECO (which he had
written)
and collected all of their personalized macros, then rationalized the table
of assignments. EMACS is far more than just "a merger of TECMACS and TMACS".
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
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17 Jul
17 Jul
12:46 a.m.
The early history of EMACS is a little more complex
that what you paraphrase
from the XEmacs docs. According to folks at the AI Lab at the time, RMS
went around to every single user of ^R mode in TECO (which he had written)
and collected all of their personalized macros, then rationalized the table
of assignments. EMACS is far more than just "a merger of TECMACS and TMACS".
There's just one line about Multics Emacs in the XEmacs doc, in anyone
wants to know more about that particular version there's an
interesting article by B. Greenberg which describes it all, and also
talks about TECO and ^R mode and how that lead to the switch from what
was TECO to Emacs. The article is at
http://www.multicians.org/mepap.html
-Tor
1:23 a.m.
In article <539CFBE84C931A4E8516F3BBEA36C7AAB1B85F0F at 505MBX1.corp.vnw.com>,
Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> writes:
How about http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ ? I gave
Tim a copy of the
sources a very very long time ago, and they're still there. Scroll down.
OK, this is not what I was expecting. Apparently while emacs was a
set of macros for TECO, it isn't a set of macros for *standard* TECO,
but only for the heavily modified version of TECO at MIT. The command
set is so divergent from standard TECO, that I hardly recognize the
command set.
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1:22 p.m.
From: Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:24 AM
In article
<539CFBE84C931A4E8516F3BBEA36C7AAB1B85F0F at 505MBX1.corp.vnw.com>,
Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> writes:
> How about http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ ? I
gave Tim a copy of the
> sources a very very long time ago, and they're still there. Scroll down.
OK, this is not what I was expecting. Apparently
while emacs was a
set of macros for TECO, it isn't a set of macros for *standard* TECO,
but only for the heavily modified version of TECO at MIT. The command
set is so divergent from standard TECO, that I hardly recognize the
command set.
Well, technically, you have that bass ackwards. TECO ("Tape Editor and
COrrector", for paper tapes on the PDP-1) was written at MIT. DEC took
it and began making modifications for various hardware, but TECO for ITS
on the PDP-10 is a direct descendant of the PDP-1 TECO written by the
same guys.
(NB: ITS TECO was the first version I learned, ~35 years ago. I get
irritated when the DEC versions don't have features I rely on. It's all
POV.)
Rich Alderson
Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer
Vulcan, Inc.
505 5th Avenue S, Suite 900
Seattle, WA 98104
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1:46 p.m.
In article <539CFBE84C931A4E8516F3BBEA36C7AAB1B883D3 at 505MBX1.corp.vnw.com>,
Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> writes:
From: Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:24 AM
Yeah, I know. That's why I referred to the dialect I'm most familiar
with as "standard TECO", because that's what the TECO folks at the
time called it. At least that's what the documentation I have seen
back in 1979-ish and currently as well as issues of "Moby Munger"
(TECO SIG newsletter) say on bitsavers.
In article
<539CFBE84C931A4E8516F3BBEA36C7AAB1B85F0F at 505MBX1.corp.vnw.com>,
Rich Alderson <RichA at vulcan.com> writes:
> How about http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/ ?
I gave Tim a copy of the
> sources a very very long time ago, and they're still there. Scroll down.
OK, this is not what I was expecting. Apparently
while emacs was a
set of macros for TECO, it isn't a set of macros for *standard* TECO,
but only for the heavily modified version of TECO at MIT. The command
set is so divergent from standard TECO, that I hardly recognize the
command set.
Well, technically, you have that bass ackwards. (NB: ITS TECO was the first version I learned, ~35
years ago. I get
irritated when the DEC versions don't have features I rely on. It's all
POV.)
Yeah, the wikipedia page lists ^P as sort, but that's an ITS-ism, not
a standard TECO-ism, which is why it confused me when I read that.
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3:37 p.m.
On 7/17/2012 1:22 PM, Rich Alderson wrote:
(NB: ITS TECO was the first version I learned, ~35
years ago. I get
irritated when the DEC versions don't have features I rely on. It's all
POV.)
I wonder if you or anyone might have looked at the articles on the other
editors, qedx and a variant on multics?
there was a fellow James Falksen, who wrote it, and it basically took
over on multics. I actually used the macro processing language to do a
lot when I was using multics and would love to have access to it again.
http://texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Ted_For_Multics
The site might be of interest to those discussing text editors here as well.
I'd love to know if someone has thought about porting it from the
multics source, or if there might be a way to pull some programs out of
the multics source and convert the pl1 to compile in either c++ or c on
linux or such.
It might be doable with standalone utilities easier than the goal some
have of running multics. It also would be vastly more useful running
natively on a command line system.
All that depends on the license that bull has released it on, and I
haven't read or understood that either. I'd have no problem with giving
the ownership back to bull as long as it was available, as all I want
for now is just to run what was there.
Also I haven't looked at the issues of libraries if one were to do that,
as some things like the regex pattern matching are probably in
libraries, and might not be in the ted source.
thanks
Jim
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