13 Dec
2006
13 Dec
'06
7:10 p.m.
From: "Jay West" <jwest at classiccmp.org>
What concerns me is that 99% of the new spam making it through is vaguely
sensible english phrases (apparently automatically pulled from online books,
or from usenet post archives, etc.).
Yup...you're seeing what I suppose can be described as an technological
escalation in the spam war. The spammers have evolved, as we will have to
wait for the good guys to adapt.
I'm more of a dspam guy personally, but it's the same issue with
Spamassassin. That, and I've been working through the issues with
commercial spam removal vendors serving my Very Large Telco client. Bottom
line is that the spammers have found a weak point in the current
state-of-the-art spam detection technology and are beating on it for all
it's worth. They're not st00pid, alas.
Perhaps more insidious is I've noticed an increasing amount of non-sense
spam with no discernible (to me) purpose (no links or dead links, no message
or hook) other than to poison Bayesian corpus (corpi?). This does not bode
well.
Ken
13 Dec
13 Dec
8:24 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 19:10 -0500, Ken Seefried wrote:
Perhaps more insidious is I've noticed an
increasing amount of non-sense
spam with no discernible (to me) purpose (no links or dead links, no message
or hook) other than to poison Bayesian corpus (corpi?). This does not bode
well.
Nope, where I work ended up going w/ a commercial solution. I'll
mention what I sent to Jay a few ago. We seem to be reasonably happy w/
a product called IronPort. (www.ironport.com) I'm not privy to the
costs of the devices though.
David
Ken
16 Dec
16 Dec
7:21 p.m.
On Wed, 2006-12-13 at 19:10 -0500, Ken Seefried wrote:
Perhaps more insidious is I've noticed an
increasing amount of non-sense
spam with no discernible (to me) purpose (no links or dead links, no message
or hook) other than to poison Bayesian corpus (corpi?). This does not bode
well.
Indeed. Spam is so irritating sometimes that I seriously wonder who
would be paying to DO that to potential clients. Seeing a million
stupid ads, okay, I don't LIKE it, but I UNDERSTAND it. A good deal of
it just seems to be attempting to get around spam filters, with no other
purpose. After some piece of drek that keeps popping open new windows
until I can choke it, it is NOT a question of whether or not I will buy
something from them; clearly I will NEVER buy from them. The question
is whether or not it is worth launching a denial of service attack
against their server. So far, laziness wins, although not by much in a
couple of cases. Perhaps a death penalty for excessive and annoying
spam? It might not deter new spammers, but it sure would cut down on
repeat offenders.
Peace,
Warren E. Wolfe
wizard at voyager.net
7:36 p.m.
In article <1166314885.19524.192.camel at linux.site>,
Warren Wolfe <wizard at voyager.net> writes:
[...] Perhaps a death penalty for excessive and
annoying
spam?
An infamous Russian spammer was bludgeoned to death with a baseball
bat in July. It appears to have been a robbery gone bad instead of
retaliation for spamming.
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8:01 p.m.
Richard wrote:
In article <1166314885.19524.192.camel at
linux.site>,
Warren Wolfe <wizard at voyager.net> writes:
Yeah. Yeah, I'd make it look like a robbery, too.
Gordon.
[...] Perhaps a death penalty for excessive and
annoying
spam?
An infamous Russian spammer was bludgeoned to death with a baseball
bat in July. It appears to have been a robbery gone bad instead of
retaliation for spamming.
17 Dec
17 Dec
4:51 p.m.
In article <45849705.7070005 at gjcp.net>,
Gordon JC Pearce <gordon at gjcp.net> writes:
Richard wrote:
Well, you can google and read about it yourself. It wasn't made to
look like a robbery, it was simply classified as a murder at first.
When they found the suspects, *they* claimed it was a robbery gone
bad. Of course, all this information comes from the highly ethical
and incorruptible Moscow police, so take it for what its worth.
Still, the whole incident has got to be putting spammers on edge, even
if only just a little.
I know if I ever met anyone at a party who admitted to being a spammer
I would kidney punch them right on the spot with no guilt whatsoever.
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In article <1166314885.19524.192.camel at
linux.site>,
Warren Wolfe <wizard at voyager.net> writes:
Yeah. Yeah, I'd make it look like a robbery, too. [...] Perhaps a death penalty for excessive and
annoying
spam?
An infamous Russian spammer was bludgeoned to death with a baseball
bat in July. It appears to have been a robbery gone bad instead of
retaliation for spamming. 
7:15 p.m.
I really appreciate all the help and advice.... this has gone on a tad
longer than the off-list suggestions I requested. Let's wrap this thread up
soon, and thanks!
Jay
16 Dec
16 Dec
9:05 p.m.
[...] Perhaps
a death penalty for excessive and annoying
spam?
An infamous Russian spammer was bludgeoned to death with a baseball
bat in July. It appears to have been a robbery gone bad instead of
retaliation for spamming. 
17 Dec
17 Dec
3:49 p.m.
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Warren Wolfe wrote:
couple of cases. Perhaps a death penalty for
excessive and annoying
spam? It might not deter new spammers, but it sure would cut down on
repeat offenders.
. . . or, if they just knew that there is a group of people travelling
around the country killing spammers, . . . pass it on
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