21 Aug
2015
21 Aug
'15
7:30 a.m.
Hi
Yes I know, but its not the norm to link from an English language email
to a site in another language with no warning.
I suppose they think everybody speaks Danish.
You could be heading into some real dark places without knowing. Rule
16b never logon to a site you cant read.
Rod
On 21/08/2015 13:35, Dave G4UGM wrote:
Google Translate does a reasonable job...
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_…
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod
Smallwood
Sent: 21 August 2015 11:41
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: out-of-mainstream minis
I'm sure its very intersting.
The website is designed for domestic consumption only as its all in Danish.
Rod
On 21/08/2015 11:27, Ian S. King wrote:
I had the privilege of visiting what Nico calls a
'museum-to-be'
yesterday evening, and it is far more than most of what I've seen!
They have a very substantial collection of all sorts of systems,
peripherals and documentation, including a GIER from ca. 1962 that I saw
(and
heard) run.
As a debugging/operations aid, they had attached
the overflow bit to a
speaker so it could generate 1-bit sound - one demo they gave me was a
program to calculate e that played a sound for each iteration so you
could hear the steady progress. But of course if there is a sound
output, no one can avoid playing with it. There were numerous pieces
of computationally generated music composed for the machine (on paper
tape), but also a program for playing a recorded, real-life sound in 1-bit
audio!
The collection includes numerous other computers
including pretty much
the entire RC line, as well as pre-computer tabulators, keypunches,
paper handling machine and the like. The artifacts are well-ordered
and in large part well labeled for even the uninitiated visitor.
Everything is laid out quite thoughtfully, with wide aisles, in a
large, well-lit basement. There are interpretive displays here and
there, as well as a small but appealing lecture/display area.
The datamuseum.dk collection represents 25 years of accumulation, I
was told. But more importantly, I think their work demonstrates a
very well-considered approach for presenting the history of the
collection's machines to visitors.
My hosts were also warm and wonderful people who clearly love what
they do and enjoy sharing it. They made me feel among friends, if not
family. :-)
Thanks, Finn and everyone else (sorry, I'm bad with names), for
sharing your time and your passion with me! -- Ian
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Nico de Jong <nico at farumdata.dk> wrote:
> I share your favourite(s). In the danish IT-museum-to-be (
> www.datamuseum.dk) we have two P857-based systems running. We
have
> lots of spare parts and nearly all
documentation, so if you need
> something, you are welcome to ask.
> I'm presently building a "table top" version of a system with the
> P857 CPU, 35cm H x 60 deep x 19" wide, with a dual 8" floppy drive,
> and a 80486 PC for program loading etc.
> The system is built into a P859 box. The P859 CPU is special, as it
> has a
> V24 connection that goes to a LED display with push buttons. Very
> nice indeed.
> For that system, I have developped a Windows based Assembler, and a
> Windows based simulator. The simulator takes assembled programs (in
> my system called *.OBJ) and the original source. You can then step
> through the instructions, and follow them through the text file on the PC.
> I am presently trying to execute various utility programs, sent to me
> by a Belgion ex-Philips employee, who did a lot of work on the P800
series.
> I myself worked with the P800 series,
disguised as the PTS6800 series
> for
> 4-5 years full time.
> The PTS 6800 series was used extensively in banks, mainly in
> Scandinavia, Greece, Barclay SouthAfrica, Philippines. In Sweden also
> in the airline industry. In Denmark it was used mainly by local
> authorities, PTT, Railway (ticket printing), and some other
> small-time projects. In one of the project it was connected to an ATM (fun
project).
>> I know of one collector in the Netherlands (Camiel), and some guys
>> who have no hardware but a lot of knowledge /Nico
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: tony duell
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:31 AM
>> Subject: RE: out-of-mainstream minis
>>
>>
>> Not all minis came from the States :-)
>>
>> One of my favourite non-mainstream families is the Philips P800 series.
>> It's
>> a 16 bit machine with 16 registers (0 is the program counter and 15
>> is the stack pointer, rest are mostly general purpose) and separate
>> I/O instructions (not memory-mapped I/O). There were several models
>> with various implementations of the architecture, including
>>
>> P850 (TTL, hardwired not microcoded)
>>
>> P855, P852, P856, P857, P860 (TTL, microcoded)
>>
>> P851 (Custom bitslice ICs, microcoded)
>>
>> P854 (AM2900 bitslice, microcoded)
>>
>> P853 I think (Single chip)
>>
>> No, I don't have all of those...
>>
>> -tony
>> =
>>
>