Pete Turnbull wrote:
On 01/05/2012 15:05, Holm Tiffe wrote:
The M8190-AB should be an KDJ11-BB 11/73 CPU. I
have an MSV11-JE (M8637-E)
PMI Memory Card too and I'm wondering if I can use them thogether..
Certainly. If you put it below the CPU, it will behave as normal QBus
memory, or if you put it above, it will work as PMI memory.
Your advice confirms my experience as well. The reasons that the
PDP-11/83 is faster
than the PDP-11/73 are due to the use of PMI memory and the 18 MHz
crystal on the
KDJ11-BF as opposed to the 15 MHz crystal on the KDJ11-BB.
I did a few timing tests with all of the configurations. As expected,
the 18 MHz crystal
added very little to the extra speed - my experience was that less than
1/3 of the increased
speed was due to the faster clock rate. Obviously, most of the
increased speed was due
to the use of PMI memory which, as Pete specified, is available with an
ordinary KDJ11-BB
in addition to the KDJ11-BF.
What are the
differences from the KDJ11-BB to the KDJ11-BF? Are there
pictures to look at somwhere on the net?
The final letter denotes the board revision, unlike KDF11-B where it
denotes the firmware revision. Technically at least, it has nothing to
do with PMI capability; all KDJ11-B have that. Originally, the -BF
boards sold as 11/83 (etc) used PMI memory and were all 18MHz, while the
boards (mostly -BB and -BC) sold in 11/73 systems (non-PMI QBus memory)
were only 15MHz, but either flavour will work either way. Early 11/73
boards won't work with an FPJ11 (-BB should be OK).
As far as I remember, the firmware on the J11 chip had to be revised to
support
the use of the 18 MHz crystal along with the FPF11 chip. The original
firmware
on the J11 chip could handle the 15 MHz crystal, but not the 18 MHz crystal.
While the so-called floating point bug on the original DEC KDJ11-BF was
not as wide known as the Intel floating point bug on the early Pentiums, the
internet was not as developed either.
Can anyone else confirm this information?
You mentioned the EPROM numbers in a later post.
23-395E5 and 23-396E5
aren't ones I'd heard of, though, but likely are merely later ones than
I knew of (or have copies of). I knew of V6.0, V7.0, and V8.0. Fancy
dumping the contents to a couple of files?
See
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/DECROMs for more.
Jerome Fine