out-of-mainstream minis

My email wasn't 'go look at this site', it was 'I visited these nice people' with the link as a courtesy. What 'norm'? On Aug 21, 2015 4:51 PM, "Rod Smallwood" <rodsmallwood52 at btinternet.com> wrote: > Yes indeed "danger wears a coat of many colours" > > Rod > > > On 21/08/2015 15:45, Toby Thain wrote: > >> On 2015-08-21 10:30 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Yes I know, but its not the norm to link from an English language email >>> to a site in another language with no warning. >>> I suppose they think everybody speaks Danish. >>> >>> You could be heading into some real dark places without knowing. RuleI'm s >>> >> No "darker" than any English language site. >> >> >> --Toby >> >> >> >>> Rod >>> >>> >>> On 21/08/2015 13:35, Dave G4UGM wrote: >>> >>>> Google Translate does a reasonable job... >>>> >>>> >>>> http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=y&prev=_… >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod >>>>> Smallwood >>>>> Sent: 21 August 2015 11:41 >>>>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>>>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: out-of-mainstream minis >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure its very intersting. >>>>> The website is designed for domestic consumption only as its all in >>>>> Danish. >>>>> >>>>> Rod >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 21/08/2015 11:27, Ian S. King wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had the privilege of visiting what Nico calls a 'museum-to-be' >>>>>> yesterday evening, and it is far more than most of what I've seen! >>>>>> They have a very substantial collection of all sorts of systems, >>>>>> peripherals and documentation, including a GIER from ca. 1962 that I >>>>>> saw >>>>>> >>>>> (and heard) run. >>>>> >>>>>> As a debugging/operations aid, they had attached the overflow bit to a >>>>>> speaker so it could generate 1-bit sound - one demo they gave me was a >>>>>> program to calculate e that played a sound for each iteration so you >>>>>> could hear the steady progress. But of course if there is a sound >>>>>> output, no one can avoid playing with it. There were numerous pieces >>>>>> of computationally generated music composed for the machine (on paper >>>>>> tape), but also a program for playing a recorded, real-life sound in >>>>>> 1-bit >>>>>> >>>>> audio! >>>>> >>>>>> The collection includes numerous other computers including pretty much >>>>>> the entire RC line, as well as pre-computer tabulators, keypunches, >>>>>> paper handling machine and the like. The artifacts are well-ordered >>>>>> and in large part well labeled for even the uninitiated visitor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Everything is laid out quite thoughtfully, with wide aisles, in a >>>>>> large, well-lit basement. There are interpretive displays here and >>>>>> there, as well as a small but appealing lecture/display area. >>>>>> >>>>>> The datamuseum.dk collection represents 25 years of accumulation, I >>>>>> was told. But more importantly, I think their work demonstrates a >>>>>> very well-considered approach for presenting the history of the >>>>>> collection's machines to visitors. >>>>>> >>>>>> My hosts were also warm and wonderful people who clearly love what >>>>>> they do and enjoy sharing it. They made me feel among friends, if not >>>>>> family. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, Finn and everyone else (sorry, I'm bad with names), for >>>>>> sharing your time and your passion with me! -- Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Nico de Jong <nico at farumdata.dk> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I share your favourite(s). In the danish IT-museum-to-be ( >>>>>>> www.datamuseum.dk) we have two P857-based systems running. We >>>>>>> >>>>>> have >>>>>> lots of spare parts and nearly all documentation, so if you need >>>>>>> something, you are welcome to ask. >>>>>>> I'm presently building a "table top" version of a system with the >>>>>>> P857 CPU, 35cm H x 60 deep x 19" wide, with a dual 8" floppy drive, >>>>>>> and a 80486 PC for program loading etc. >>>>>>> The system is built into a P859 box. The P859 CPU is special, as it >>>>>>> has a >>>>>>> V24 connection that goes to a LED display with push buttons. Very >>>>>>> nice indeed. >>>>>>> For that system, I have developped a Windows based Assembler, and a >>>>>>> Windows based simulator. The simulator takes assembled programs (in >>>>>>> my system called *.OBJ) and the original source. You can then step >>>>>>> through the instructions, and follow them through the text file on >>>>>>> the PC. >>>>>>> I am presently trying to execute various utility programs, sent to me >>>>>>> by a Belgion ex-Philips employee, who did a lot of work on the P800 >>>>>>> >>>>>> series. >>>>>> I myself worked with the P800 series, disguised as the PTS6800 series >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> 4-5 years full time. >>>>>>> The PTS 6800 series was used extensively in banks, mainly in >>>>>>> Scandinavia, Greece, Barclay SouthAfrica, Philippines. In Sweden also >>>>>>> in the airline industry. In Denmark it was used mainly by local >>>>>>> authorities, PTT, Railway (ticket printing), and some other >>>>>>> small-time projects. In one of the project it was connected to an >>>>>>> ATM (fun >>>>>>> >>>>>> project). >>>>>> I know of one collector in the Netherlands (Camiel), and some guys >>>>>>> who have no hardware but a lot of knowledge /Nico >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: tony duell >>>>>>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 7:31 AM >>>>>>> Subject: RE: out-of-mainstream minis >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not all minis came from the States :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of my favourite non-mainstream families is the Philips P800 >>>>>>> series. >>>>>>> It's >>>>>>> a 16 bit machine with 16 registers (0 is the program counter >>>>>>> and 15 >>>>>>> is the stack pointer, rest are mostly general purpose) and >>>>>>> separate >>>>>>> I/O instructions (not memory-mapped I/O). There were several >>>>>>> models >>>>>>> with various implementations of the architecture, including >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P850 (TTL, hardwired not microcoded) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P855, P852, P856, P857, P860 (TTL, microcoded) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P851 (Custom bitslice ICs, microcoded) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P854 (AM2900 bitslice, microcoded) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> P853 I think (Single chip) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, I don't have all of those... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -tony >>>>>>> = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>