On Nov 8,
2016, at 9:22 AM, Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net>
wrote:
On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr
<ggs at shiresoft.com>
wrote:
On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jon Elson <elson
at pico-systems.com>
wrote:
On 11/07/2016 10:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
> On 11/07/2016 07:59 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote:
>>> But if you're a suburban resident living on Mulberry Street,
>>> anything but single-phase is pretty much out of the question.
>> Oh, you can get it -- but be prepared for a large hassle.
>>
>> A former neighbor had a 440V 3-phase Italian lathe in his
>> backyard shop, among other toys. After he was laid off from
>> his aerospace job doing machining it was how he made his
>> living. He was a very handy person to know :-)
>>
>> mcl
>>
> I have two 3-phase machines in my shop (Bridgeport mill and
> Sheldon lathe) and run them each off a properly-sized VFD.
> 2-phase in, 3-phase out, plus variable speed and dynamic braking.
>
> Jon
>
And, of course, that is really SINGLE-PHASE power on 2 wires,
just to save anybody the trouble of correcting my error.
I?m looking to have to do something to get 3-phase for the IBM
4331 gear. I haven?t quite added up the power requirements yet
but I?m guessing its going to be in the 10-15kVA range. Since the
power to all of the gear is really split between 3 loads (string
of 4 3340 drives, 3803 control unit + 2 3420 tape drives and 2821
control uint + 1403 printer + 2540 card reader/punch) I need to
figure out if it?s best to have one big converter or 3 smaller
ones. It?s unlikely that I?d be running all of the peripherals at
once. The 4331 itself runs off of single phase 220v.
A VFD is a good option and may be quite economical if you get one
of the low cost simple ones. I have one (3 hp model for my lathe)
that cost only a bit over $100, though the price has gone up
since. (Westinghouse TECO brand.) VFDs specified for single phase
input tend to stop around 3 hp, as far as I have seen. Rumor has
it that higher power units will also work (possibly with some
derating) even though they claim to be 3 phase input, when you feed
them just one phase on 2 of the 3 wires. I haven't tried that (but
it matches how my VFD is connected).
The other option is a "rotary converter". Basically that's a 3
phase motor connected to one phase power (with a start and run
capacitor); it generates the missing phase roughtly in dynamotor
fashion. Those can be built (articles on the web) or bought from
machinery supply companies such as Enco; they show models up to 20
hp, i.e., about 15 kW. When I was looking into converters, I found
VFDs to be the less expensive option. The instant reverse and
variable frequency features were also attractive for lathe use; for
powering computers that would not apply. Well, not unless you need
400 Hz for your Cyber 6600 -- in which case you'd need to check the
VFD will go that high, not all do.
Given that you have a number of smaller devices and that not all
might need to run, several smaller converters sounds like a good
option, especially if that gets you into the "economy VFD" range.
Yea, that?s what I?m struggling with. The issue is that the control
units power the devices that are connected to them (from what I can
tell), so I have to power the entire string as one unit. The same
goes for the 3340?s - the entire string is powered as a unit. The
string of 3340?s need ~5kVA (I don?t know how that translates to
HP). I?m still trying to figure out the requirements for the other
strings.