4 Oct
2011
4 Oct
'11
5:34 p.m.
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Lance Lyon wrote:
Of late the negativity in CCTALK has reached somewhat
epic proportions - and
people are coming across in a rather poor light. Many posters seem to be
permanently stuck in the stone age and appear to hate anything produced in
the last 30 years.
Poking fun at Outhouse, Weird, WordPervert, etc. is not an epic level of
negativity that warrants "stuck in the stone age" nastiness. Surely you
can find something else that I've said that more correctly justifies such!
I'm not stuck in the stone age; I'm stuck in the 1960s, but tolerating SOME
specific "progress".
Besides, they are so EASY to poke fun at, and have hilarious (as well as
endearing) quirks.
This post is a perfect example :
Thank you
"Outhouse" and "Weird" - hate to
tell you but both of those particular
products have been the business standard for quite a few years now and a lot
of roles are advertised that require the applicants to be proficient in
their uses.
Certainly. And if one were to mandate a specific tool, in spite of
the
relative interchangeability of such, then they are certainly the ones that
one would have no choice but to select.
One can not be productive in the digital sweatshop without proficiency in
them, and one needs basic competence in them to co-exist with those who
use them but are not otherwise competent.
Nor should users of the products be denigrated as
useless or idiots because
they use them - claiming such only proves that YOU are the foolish one.
OK
SHOW ME what in my "perfect example" post denigrated anybody "as useless
or idiots because the use them"
Are you building strawmen, or did you just not get that I explicitly
pointed out that the useless idiots that I criticized were already
useless idiots, totally unrelated to their choice of tools?
NONE of my specific examples implied that their choices of tools was the
basis of the ridicule.
Attachment of a scanned picture of a memo, with incompetent Subject: and
message body, can easily be done with ANY of the available tools.
So can posting obviously bogus urban legends.
So can falling for phishing.
Outhouse and Weird simply provide very effective and useful tools for
doing so.
I ridiculed the rigidity of mandating one specific tool, that is barely
differentiatable from the alternatives. Why be so foolish as to be
offended that your preference is "being attacked" by being used as the
example? YOU are being foolish by choosing to take offense at PERCEIVED
criticism of your tools of choice.
I may be "in the stone age", but YOU are the one who is "stuck".
These are the tools of the trade now (and despite the
haters who seem to
think they are "rubbish") are rather powerful ones - especially Outlook.
SHOW ME where I said any such thing.
"rubbish"??
Why are YOU being such a "hater"?
Your post may easily be the most hotile ad hominem nastiness so far in
this discussion!
I have a fondness for Commodore 8 bit machines and
have for a long time, but
you won't ever find me holding them up as the paragon of computing
experience or denigrating users of modern equipment/software in the false
belief that the tools of the trade were better 30 years ago!
SHOW ME where I said, or even implied, that.
30 years ago, we had SOME tools of the trade that were WAY worse than
those!
Remember the quirks of Electric Pencil, and its successor Wordstar! They
were epicly easy to ridicule, except that some here came along too late to
learn them, or have forgotten their quirks.
I love the machines of that era. I also like cars that are half a century
old. I do not, at any point, claim that they would be better for the
current tasks. Although I haven't figured out why I need a TeraByte and
GigaHertz to read email.
The useless idiot who attached the scaanned picture of the memo that he
had printed out could have easily done the same with a Commodore PET, it just
would have been a little slower. Remember when TRS80 V Apple2 were the
mandated requirements?
Were I a newbie looking for info on older machines and
had I stumbled across
this thread first I doubt I'd want to jump in and participate for fear of
the angst I'd face from the stone age "things were better" people here.
"fear of the angst" that you would face.
THAT'S GREAT!
Yes, "things were better" in the 1960s.
If you don't think so, then you weren't there.
If you remember them as not being as wonderful as current times, then you
weren't there. (If you think that you remember them, then maybe you
weren't there!)
And to drag this back on topic, in my role (Genesys
engineer), when I'm
hiring people that piece of paper that states they are a certified Genesys
professional has great importance - I would not hire someone if (a) they
didn't have it, or (b) they weren't embarked on the certification process
without some indication that they would come out the other end with the
relevant qualifications. There are times when a piece of paper is extremely
important to some roles because it shows dedication to achieving the
relevant learning for a particular role.
Did you forget that I was the one that pointed out that a degree "asserts
tenacity"? Or did you interpret THAT as being "negative"?
You have a justifiable specific certification requirement.
But, would you consider it relevant to REQUIRE Novell (sorry, "stuck in
the stone age") or Microsoft certification?
Going backwards - we may all love and be passionate
about our old machines
and may have learnt skills to keep our hobby alive, but those skills (ie
soldering, coding in a dead language etc) don't nec. translate into
something useful in today's computer related job market and people should
not be put down or denigrated because they don't have them.
One can probably be quite adequate without such skills.
After all, "Nobody solders; you can just buy a cheap new one made in
China" and
"Nobody programs in Assembly Language any more, nor ever will again!"
Cheers,
Lance
(yes - written in Outlook)
OB_negativity: Your TOP POSTING and failure to trim, in
spite of the
defacto etiquette standards of this group, provided a hint. :-)
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com