27 Jun
2021
27 Jun
'21
11:09 a.m.
Thanks this was interesting learning.
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 9:41 AM Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2021, Paul Koning wrote:
That's not my point. The host bridge has to implement them and some do
not (e.g. the POWER9 PHB4). For CPU architectures that do not have native
I/O cycle support an MMIO window has to be defined by the host bridge for
memory cycles decoded within that window to be forwarded downstream as
PCIe I/O Read/Write TLPs (likewise with legacy PCI I/O Read/Write
cycles).
If you don't define such a window along with associated circuitry (like
with the PHB4), then there's simply no way to produce I/O TLPs on PCIe.
When you have a CPU architecture such as x86 that does do I/O cycles
natively, then they're just forwarded by the host bridge as PCIe I/O
Read/Write TLPs. Of course one can envisage an x86 host bridge that won't
forward I/O cycles produced by the CPU to PCIe and will either terminate
them with a bus error or let them time out, but I find it highly
unlikely.
For one I suspect the circuitry required to terminate unclaimed host bus
I/O cycles is no less expensive than one to just forward them downstream;
after all a PCIe I/O TLP is told apart from a memory TLP merely by a
difference in a bit pattern sent downstream that encodes the cycle type,
one of several (likewise with PCI cycles).
NB PCIe I/O Read/Write TLPs have been deprecated ever since the first
revision of the PCIe specification and PCIe devices that do require I/O
TLPs for operation have always been referred to as legacy PCIe devices.
I guess support for such devices has been added to the specification so as
to aid the industry with switching entirely to the MMIO operating model,
with initial PCIe devices expected to be implemented by placing the
original PCI/PCI-X ASIC behind a PCIe-to-PCI bridge, until new PCIe ASICs
have been made. For some option cards it seems the only way to date, e.g.
PCIe ATM network adapters.
As it has turned out actual PCIe ASICs have been manufactured that do
require I/O Read/Write TLPs for their operation such as said IEEE 1284
parallel ports. It's not actually clear to me why, but a plausible
explanation is they have been considered too niche at that point for the
effort required for the OS drivers to be updated.
Maciej
> However both serial and parallel ports
remain reasonably available as
> PCIe option devices. Though parallel ports seem to be made as legacy
PCIe
> devices only, that is accessed with I/O
rather than memory read/write
bus
> cycles, which are not, as I have learnt the
hard way recently,
supported
> by all computer systems nowadays. I guess
x86 systems will continue
to
support
them however as x86 CPUs have native I/O access instructions.
I/O cycles on PCI have no direct connection to I/O instructions. I've
routinely used I/O operations in PCI on a MIPS platform, which of course
has no such concept; all that was needed is to send the memory cycles to
the address block that the PCI bridge maps onto I/O cycles rather than
memory cycles.