Quadra 660AV what's with the "PowerPC" label?

On 06/15/16 10:08 AM, Liam Proven wrote: I'm not arguing your stance. Real hardware is the best. That said, after you have ran out of room due to too many other systems, I would rather have the opportunity to experience A/UX, or Rhapsody or even AIX 1.3x via virtualization or emulation, than to have totally missed the experience. At this point, ver 10.11 and/or 10.12 beta, do you really see much, if any of that NeXT heritage? It was very obvious in earlier versions of OS X with netinfo and other goodies, then thing slowly began to slip away after 10.4. I see it as an OS with a Mach/XNU kernel, BSD userland and Apple's GUI slapped on top. Used to be called Aqua, not sure what the current term is. identity-complex is an interesting term for linux. As I watched linux move up and grow, and these comments are reflective of my observations from probably 10+ years back, my primary though is that they aren't doing anything new, they aren't bringing anything new to the table. They are just re-inventing the wheel (standard Unix software) under the GNU umbrella. Its obvious that the systemd thing is a very controversial one, but I see the move as just one of the "trying to keep up with the other players in the field, i.e. launchd in OS X or svc services in Solaris/Solaris distro's. I find it funny people are fighting for the Sys V rc scripts. I remember how much they were hated when Sun rolled out Solaris 2.x and everyone wanted the BSD rc/rc.local/rc.xxxxx scripts back, because the Sys V system was too complicated. With the exception of stuff like systemd, many times the old utilities are still there, or are easily acquired. Its just that many, especially new system admins are only aware of new ways, and either don't know, don't have anyone to show them or just don't care about the options available to them. Especially for a system admin, at any level, getting started up is a scary proposition with a steep learning curve. I'm certain that many here have frequently seen this tagline in the past. "unix is user friendly, its just picky on who its friends are" OTOH, it finally took Apple to come along with their GUI, which resulted in this popular tag line. "It was easier to make Unix user friendly, then it was to fix ms windows" One of the things that keeps me a big fan of Solaris and different Solaris distro's, is that from a command line, depending how you set up your path, you have Sys V commands, BSD commands, linux/GNU commands, POSIX commands, etc. From the command line, you can pretty much set the OS up to behave however you choose, based on your shell and PATH env variables. If you are running strictly on linux, for the most part, GNU userland is pretty much all you got. I know the fine people at SCO open sourced the vi license, and there are some other things also out there where you can grab source code and compile Sys V binaries for linux. This is always a difficult topic to discuss and keep a level head. The best OS for your server is the one that is stable, does a great job of running your mission critical applications and that there are people on staff trained to support it. A lack of any of those 3 items can be disastrous. I did a few years of system admin work supporting IRIX. Initially, these boxes were in house because of graphics apps that ran on them and also oil & gas apps that ran on them. In 2010, I transitioned jobs to a LARGE telco, and I worked as a system admin on the email team. Millions of email customers. At the time, they loved, but were transitioning off of IRIX systems, as the SGI that we knew and sometimes loved, was for all practical purposes gone. From there, they moved to linux based x86 systems which didn't scale well, then finally to Solaris on SPARC. IRIX, in and of itself, was a good, but pretty generic Sys V Unix. It had great hardware and also a lot of great apps written for it, in its day. One of the other great things about it was the XFS file system. I guest I just never thought that much about it, at least at the time, but XFS was ported to linux. If you are on, or care to head over to the Dovecot (IMAP server mailing list), there are many great discussions and debates on the benefits of XFS on linux for high traffic Dovecot IMAP servers. That said, responding to your GUI comment, the GUI isn't the operating system. If you have the hardware and the 'hankering, you can download, compile and run CDE, OpenLook, Gnome, XCFE or any X11 window manager you care to take the time to run. I'm a big *BSD fan myself. There is a lot of great work that get accomplished under the *BSD umbrella, that never seems to get proper attention.