[N8VEM-S100:2009] Re: S-100 80286 CPU board now running at 12 MHz.

Thanks David. I just ordered two 16MHz CPU's and two of the 12Mhz clock and bus controllers. Coming from Israel so will be awhile! Unfortunately the patch is still needed for those old memory boards. Very frustrating and unexpected. Never had a problem with the 8086 which really uses the same type of circuit/controller. Even more surprising my prototype 80386 (upcoming) S100 bus master/slave CPU board works fine with those older RAM boards using the same 74LS138 latched status signals as the 80286 board). Clearly if the ever is a second version of this 80286 board we will have a jumper there. John John Monahan Ph.D e-mail: <mailto:monahan at vitasoft.org> monahan at vitasoft.org Text: <mailto:monahan at txt.att.net> monahan at txt.att.net From: n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com [mailto:n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Fry Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:06 PM To: n8vem-s100 at googlegroups.com Cc: cctalk at classiccmp.org; 'Andrew Lynch'; monahan at vitasoft.org Subject: [N8VEM-S100:2009] Re: S-100 80286 CPU board now running at 12 MHz. Hi John, You can get the AMD 80c286-16 from this Ebay seller http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N80C286-16-PLCC-68-16-Bit-CPU-1-Pcs-/121130499598? pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N80C286-16-PLCC-68-16-Bit-CPU-1-Pcs-/121130499598 ?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c33f0be0e#ht_411wt_1110> &hash=item1c33f0be0e#ht_411wt_1110 but I have not been able to locate the 16Mhz clock chip or bus controller chip, I purchased my 12Mhz i82C284-12 and i82C288-12 from ACP Surplus http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D82C288-12-Intel-VINTAGE-IC-20-Pin-CERDIP-D82C288- /370289753601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D82C288-12-Intel-VINTAGE-IC-20-Pin-CERDIP-D82C288 -/370289753601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5636fd3e01> &hash=item5636fd3e01 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D82C284-12-Intel-VINTAGE-IC-18-Pin-CERDIP-D82284-/ 390117717138?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 <http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D82C284-12-Intel-VINTAGE-IC-18-Pin-CERDIP-D82284- /390117717138?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad4d3f492> &hash=item5ad4d3f492 maybe you might be able to squeeze out 14Mhz from the 12.5Mhz devices !!! Has this finding made any difference to the old memory board timing problem, ie rendered the patch unnecessary ? regards David Fry On Sunday, October 27, 2013 6:36:36 PM UTC, monahanz wrote: More good news Guys. I now have our 80286 S-100 board running at 12 MHz (no wait states) with our 4MG Static RAM board. I noticed that my bus controller (U68) was a 82C288. Looking around here I found I had an 82C288-10. When I tried that, the board came up fine at 12MHz (no wait states). Clearly the CMOS clock generator while rated for 10MHz, works at a higher speed. The original 82C288 I think is for 8MHz, pushing it to 12 was too much. Fortunately I already have a 12Mhz clock generator (28C284-12) on board. Looking here:- http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/80286/MANUF-AMD.html I see there are PLCC 16MHz AMD chips. Does anybody know where to find these chips and the corresponding -16 clock generator and bus controllers. John From: n8vem... at googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto:n8vem... at googlegroups.com <javascript:> ] On Behalf Of David Fry Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:22 PM To: n8vem... at googlegroups.com <javascript:> Cc: cct... at classiccmp.org <javascript:> ; Andrew Lynch; mon... at vitasoft.org <javascript:> Subject: [N8VEM-S100:2006] Re: S-100 80286 CPU board write-up Hi John Excellent news :-) I was kinda holding off on starting my 80286 board in case the mods/fix ended up being extensive (I have the S-100 Ram/Rom board on order also) Just wondering if will you be investigating why the final board will only manage 11Mhz when the prototype manages 12Mhz ? It's not a big issue but would be nice to get to 12Mhz if possible. regards and thanks David Fry On Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:06:09 PM UTC+1, monahanz wrote: Good news, It now looks like our new 80286 Master/Slave S100 bus CPU board works fine with not only our 4MG Static RAM board bit also the 1M RAM/ROM board. The problem I outlined below was due to the fact that I had jumpers wrong on both the CPU and ROM/RAM boards. The 80286 works fine with both boards at 11MHz (with no wait states). One of the reasons for "upgrading" the ROM/RAM board was to simplify the "rats nest" of jumpers on the earlier boards for the diverse range of RAM & RAM chips (including flash RAM) that board can use. The new RAM/ROM boards should be here soon. If you have the older board, consider switching over (it uses all the same chips/parts) . For new users it is a very useful memory board. One remaining bug I see with the 80286 board is that some older S100 Static RAM boards (particularly those that use PALs, such as the Godbout 128K static "RAM21" board or the BG Computers 256K Static RAM board), need a patch. You need to bend out pin 2 of U56 and jumper it to pin 9 of U68 - the bus controller. This seems to provide the early MWRITE status signal these boards require. Interestingly this is also the case for our 8088 CPU board (jumper K5,2-3), but not the 8086 board. I have written up a detailed account for the 80286 boards construction here:- http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/80286%20Board/80286%20CPU%2 0Board.htm And a description of the RAM/ROM board here. http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/RAM <http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/RAM&ROM%20Board/RAM&PROM%2 0Board.htm> &ROM%20Board/RAM&PROM%20Board.htm Enjoy John From: John Monahan [mailto:mon... at vitasoft.org] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:53 AM To: 'n8vem... at googlegroups.com' Cc: 'cct... at classiccmp.org'; Andrew Lynch (andrew... at sbcglobal.net) Subject: S-100 80286 CPU board write-up Hi everybody. I have just written up construction notes on this 80286 CPU board. Please see here:- for details:- http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/80286%20Board/80286%20CPU%2 0Board.htm Unfortunately there are some strange issues with the board running with RAM boards other than our 4MG Static RAM board (described here:-) http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/RAM%20Board/4MG%20RAM%20Boa rd.htm With that RAM board, the 80286 is rock solid at 11MHz (no I/O or ROM wait states required). Please see the bottom of the page for details. I am traveling all of next week but will explore further when I get back. Sorry about the bad news John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "N8VEM-S100" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to n8vem-s100+... at googlegroups.com <javascript:> . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "N8VEM-S100" group. 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